you can also see most chinaman style company have no life and no money

which one will you choose?

I do agree it's a personal choice, however a company can promote work/life balance as well. For example the company I worked for has a personal KPI that I have to take 90% of my annual leave every year to promote work/life balance, plus there's a quarterly budget for team building etc.

I've not worked for Accenture so I don't know how it's like.

What do you mean by that?
Have you asked them about their relationship with the loved ones?

If your boss comes and tell you this evening that a client urgently wants this done by today, can you tell him/her you want it postponed to tomorrow or end of the week?Do you have a choice?

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Added on August 5, 2008, 2:10 pmAll those KPI, BAM and performance indexing figures do not entirely reflect balance in one's work/life.They are just put up on the board for the upper management, directors and the CEO to assess his company's overall performance.

Things like health, mental alertness and an open/free mind cannot be gauge through those figures.A troubled employee will never perform optimally or go beyond his/her job routine, often never happy with their job.You would never know about your staff's shortcomings unless you keep a close relationship with them which many bosses fail to do most of the time.They would just hand you your tasks, supervise your work and if you manage to achieve your goal, you're good if not you're not up to expectation.

You would often see this in indian run organizations.They try to follow the western way in HR management methods in keeping numbers intact but those figures they put up are mainly just to impress.

This post has been edited by ark890: Aug 5 2008, 02:10 PM

what makes you so certain that you are correct? I think you have to catch up a bit la bro....
There are companies that even pay more than RM10k for a freshie...do some research!!!!! fresh can get such pay if they are good and they are in the right place!!!! It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist because you have not exp it or have it for yourself~
are u referring to RM5000k = RM5000000????? or RM5k per month? give u a hint, do a research on some foreign banks in malaysia, they do pay that much for a freshie

erh, i would say sometimes its unavoidable, the company plays a role too. when ur boss say u have to work OT, can we say no because i need to have dinner with my gf? ur boss might just say that u are not suitable for your post..

JUST MY 2 CENTS

This post has been edited by Sp00kY: Aug 5 2008, 02:25 PM

@tishaban,
I thought U mentioned joining AC 10 years ago?!

No I said go to hell to them 10 years ago. I was working in the US and stayed there.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 3:06 pmark890, you are right there. Statistics can be twisted. I have worked in a chinaman company, and I have worked in a European company. The European company has work/life balance in their KPI/statistics as well as being part of the company culture. I admit that I don't know anything about Accenture so I can't tell what their work/life or workaholic policy is like


This post has been edited by tishaban: Aug 5 2008, 03:06 PM

Sp00ky,

If you are talking about jobs paying more than RM10k per month for freshies in Msia, please name me some (with actual company names included). I know 1 or 2which pays that kind of salary, but they are not 'open to public for application' kind of job. And, 'good' candidates are far from sufficient to take up these roles.


The hours in Accenture really depends on project. There are some which have very average hours, 9-6, some which require longer hours. But you will not get anything like 90 to 100 hours per week. I think, generally, the ppl care more about whether you have finished what were given to you to do than what time you went back last night.

Chinaman company...they sometimes lack the knowledge about keeping staffs happy and its implications.

The modern thinking ones are beginning to improve on their staffs working environment but many today are still more concerned about making maximum profits all the time and minimizing cost/expenditures.

A summary would be:

Modern chinese companies matters profit over anything else.Expect to put in lots of hardwork, lower salary ranges but their HR management may be next to their European counterparts.

The worst thing you would expect is when the management play much politics and favoritism.At least you won't find many chinese companies having these sort of culture.

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Added on August 5, 2008, 5:19 pmWhen a fresh draws that kind of salary amount, you should also know what is expected from you.Your kind of job may involve lives, handling highly complicated machinery which cost millions as such.



This post has been edited by ark890: Aug 5 2008, 05:19 PM

imax totally doesn't know what he's talking about. Accenture is offering around 3.5k for fresh grads for their consultancy line and 2.5k for solutions team (programming). However, it may have increased by now.

WHAT!!! RM10K for fresh grad..GFY

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Added on August 6, 2008, 9:56 pmis it? my friend work for accenture for almost 2 years already...plus2 allowance his salary only reach RM3K++...he is working at client site menara TM.

This post has been edited by imax80: Aug 6 2008, 09:56 PM

> RM10K/month? Well, you need to join company like Schlumberger .. and surely, you won't see life while you're working with them ..

their relationship with their family is very good.

u always have a choice. your boss have to be reasonable too. you can't expect your people to put aside their personal plans to deliver things last minute in such short notice.

n like any company anywhere, there'll be good n lousy bosses. whether to give in to unreasonable bosses is always a choice of your own.

lol,10K for freshie, that must be McKinsey or so company, which is "not open for public"...

So much speculation in this thread. Yes, Accenture pays RM3.4k for their year one consulting analysts. Solutions workforce programmers earn RM2.5k, but can claim overtime.

As for the RM10k for fresh grads in Malaysia, year one analysts in MNC investment banks make RM140k a year.

Traders make even more in bonuses, 150%-200% of their annual pay.

A friend of mine works for a well known oil & gas consultancy, and he makes USD4k a month.

Be aware though that you have to be -very- strong to make it into these jobs, and even stronger to keep it. We're talking Ivy League or equivalent (UCL, Paris, Ecole, Melb Uni etc), probably top 0.5% or 1% of grads in Malaysia.

How do I know this? I've been there, done that, so yeah, this is fact =p

A few nitpicks here....

1) MNC investment banks do not pay RM140K to fresh graduates as analysts, nor will they hire fresh graduates as stock analysts. As assistants yes but not analysts.

2) Melb uni etc are not the equivalent of the Ivy Leagues and Oxbridge.

Agree with the previous post.

But, have heard rothschild paying 10k for selected freshies. Not sure of their roles.

McKinsey in Malaysia MIGHT do so but their intake of fresh graduates is probably maybe one per year and sometimes none as their policy is mostly geared to hiring more experienced folks or MBA grads with several years of management experience under their belts.

This thread and others as well in this sub-section of LYN has had its fair share of clueless and lying fellows who trumpet about extremely high pay for fresh graduates and makes it seem as if it is a realistic expectation for the masses of fresh graduates out there.

Let's get something straight here and TRUTHFUL - the best amongst the educated Malaysian young men and women are NOT in Malaysia having ventured abroad and rubbing shoulders with the young elite at the likes of Oxbridge and the Ivy League colleges and in all likelihood, most of them will NOT be plying their trade in Malaysian based companies.

Hence, there is absolutely NO reason (financial or otherwise) for any Malaysian based corporation or firm to be paying five figure salaries for a wet-behind-the-years 2nd rate 22 year old kid with no working experience whatsoever. Profit-minded corporations aren't stupid after all.

And even if a very few do, I would venture to say that the number of such jobs can be counted on ONE hand for the entire Malaysian labour market.

If you're getting paid like 3000 pounds or USD4000, you're already getting 5 figured salary in Malaysia.

Profit minded companies trying to save a buck or two in Malaysia are just using Malaysians as slaves.They aren' stupid yeah right, annual staff turn rates?Either the HR staffs are too free or they don't mind having to recruit new people all the time.

Being paid in foreign lands is just that - the idea of conversion does not come into the picture as the discussion point here is about local pay packets in Malaysia.

That's corporate life in Malaysia - accept your RM2,000+ monthly salary as a fresh graduate or work abroad if you have the capability to do so.

Typical China style mentality.Take it or else next please, there's a long queue waiting behind you.

If you're going to ask a first class honours to be paid sub RM2,000 level, just like how comrades do in China where doctors, engineers, accountants, actuators all earn the same life ain't going to be meaningful.Don't even try to bring hell here.I'll like to remind you that this is not communist country.

If your are currently underpaid yourself or you're some sick person who loves slave driving, it's time that you look for a new job.These MNCs are here just to take advantage of our country's economic situation.

This post has been edited by heiren: Aug 7 2008, 03:09 PM