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SUSSPS
post Aug 7 2008, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(zer0hour @ Aug 7 2008, 03:10 AM)
So much speculation in this thread. Yes, Accenture pays RM3.4k for their year one consulting analysts. Solutions workforce programmers earn RM2.5k, but can claim overtime.

As for the RM10k for fresh grads in Malaysia, year one analysts in MNC investment banks make RM140k a year.

Traders make even more in bonuses, 150%-200% of their annual pay.

A friend of mine works for a well known oil & gas consultancy, and he makes USD4k a month.

Be aware though that you have to be -very- strong to make it into these jobs, and even stronger to keep it. We're talking Ivy League or equivalent (UCL, Paris, Ecole, Melb Uni etc), probably top 0.5% or 1% of grads in Malaysia.

How do I know this? I've been there, done that, so yeah, this is fact =p
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A few nitpicks here....

1) MNC investment banks do not pay RM140K to fresh graduates as analysts, nor will they hire fresh graduates as stock analysts. As assistants yes but not analysts.

2) Melb uni etc are not the equivalent of the Ivy Leagues and Oxbridge.
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post Aug 7 2008, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(fletcherwind @ Aug 7 2008, 01:04 PM)
Agree with the previous post.

But, have heard rothschild paying 10k for selected freshies. Not sure of their roles.
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McKinsey in Malaysia MIGHT do so but their intake of fresh graduates is probably maybe one per year and sometimes none as their policy is mostly geared to hiring more experienced folks or MBA grads with several years of management experience under their belts.

This thread and others as well in this sub-section of LYN has had its fair share of clueless and lying fellows who trumpet about extremely high pay for fresh graduates and makes it seem as if it is a realistic expectation for the masses of fresh graduates out there.

Let's get something straight here and TRUTHFUL - the best amongst the educated Malaysian young men and women are NOT in Malaysia having ventured abroad and rubbing shoulders with the young elite at the likes of Oxbridge and the Ivy League colleges and in all likelihood, most of them will NOT be plying their trade in Malaysian based companies.

Hence, there is absolutely NO reason (financial or otherwise) for any Malaysian based corporation or firm to be paying five figure salaries for a wet-behind-the-years 2nd rate 22 year old kid with no working experience whatsoever. Profit-minded corporations aren't stupid after all.

And even if a very few do, I would venture to say that the number of such jobs can be counted on ONE hand for the entire Malaysian labour market.




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post Aug 7 2008, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(heiren @ Aug 7 2008, 02:39 PM)
If you're getting paid like 3000 pounds or USD4000, you're already getting 5 figured salary in Malaysia.

Profit minded companies trying to save a buck or two in Malaysia are just using Malaysians as slaves.They aren' stupid yeah right, annual staff turn rates?Either the HR staffs are too free or they don't mind having to recruit new people all the time.
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Being paid in foreign lands is just that - the idea of conversion does not come into the picture as the discussion point here is about local pay packets in Malaysia.

That's corporate life in Malaysia - accept your RM2,000+ monthly salary as a fresh graduate or work abroad if you have the capability to do so.
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post Aug 7 2008, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(heiren @ Aug 7 2008, 02:59 PM)
Typical China style mentality.Take it or else next please, there's a long queue waiting behind you.

If you're going to ask a first class honours to be paid sub RM2,000 level, just like how comrades do in China where doctors, engineers, accountants, actuators all earn the same life ain't going to be meaningful.Don't even try to bring hell here.I'll like to remind you that this is not communist country.

If your are currently underpaid yourself or you're some sick person who loves slave driving, it's time that you look for a new job.These MNCs are here just to take advantage of our country's economic situation.
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Essentially, there IS a long queue waiting.

Want better pay? Move out of the country.


Added on August 7, 2008, 4:59 pm
QUOTE(zer0hour @ Aug 7 2008, 03:25 PM)
I disagree completely. Maybe you misunderstood me.
1. You must differentiate rank (corporate rank) and position (roles and responsibilities). When I said analyst, I meant the rank of A1, i.e. an analyst being a first year MNC IB rank. I did not mean the position of analyst as in research analyst. A research analyst is a 5th year or so position, and is typically Senior Associate or VP rank. Those guys earn like RM300k a year. You are correct that fresh grads going into research will have the rank of analyst, but their position is assistant research analyst. As for them 'not paying RM140k', you are sadly mistaken.

2. In recruitment criteria they roughly are. My intent was to give an example of the best universities in each country. Remember that not all Ivy League universities are made equal too. Some are better than others in their respective fields.


Added on August 7, 2008, 3:36 pm

I've renumbered your sentences so I can reply accordingly.
1. You are correct about McKinsey and Co. A fresh grad joins them as a Business Analyst, and must leave after 2 years. If you do well enough, McKinsey pays for your Masters. If not, sorry la. Out.
There are very few BAs in the Malaysia office.

2. I never said it was a realistic expectation for the majority. My point is simple, there -are- these jobs out there, but there aren't many. If you want one, make yourself as strong as you can, and strive for it accordingly.

3. Most do not return, you are correct. However, some do. For whatever reasons, family, friends, SO, etc. I am one of them.

4. I disagree here. There's a huge variance between the strongest graduates and the weakest. After a few months training (typically 6 months), a fresh mathematically inclined 23year old trader can make millions for his firm. Directly quantifiable, on-the-floor profits. On the other hand, 10 lesser graduates may not be able to, and may even lose money in the capital markets. Worth the RM140k? Definitely.

5. You are somewhat correct here. Maybe not 1 hand, but there aren't many. 10 a year? 15 a year? 20 a year? Something like that.
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Which MNC IB's pay RM140K per year for fresh graduates in Malaysia? None that I know of. Malaysia is not even a regional financial hub and its capital markets are thinly traded so why should they pay exhorbitant amounts? Foreign funds which invest in Malaysia (which is not much to speak of in the first place) buy and sell on pre-determined weighted programs and certainly have no need for smart alecky number crunchers to do that for them - the only need order takers which your average equity broker can do just that. The traders who make the really big bucks in IB are the fixed income folks - and the fixed income market is severely under-developed in Malaysia which means those FI traders will need to ply their trade in Singapore, HK and Japan if they want to make decent $$.

Some Ivy leagues may be better than others in certain fields but there is no conceivable way that a University of Melbourne can stand up to Oxbridge or a MIT in any business related fields.



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post Aug 7 2008, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(zer0hour @ Aug 7 2008, 05:18 PM)
1 (a) None that you know of does not mean there aren't any. I don't feel comfortable disclosing which IBs, but you can take it from a person who used to work in that industry that there are those positions out there. I leave it up to you to believe me, or call me a liar.

(b) As for trading based on programs and models, yes you are correct. The majority of traders in Malaysia are sales traders, i.e. order takers. However, there -are- proprietary traders around. Again, I will not disclose which banks, but if you do some research on which bulge brackets have a BNM banking license, you can figure it out.

2. I never said they were equal. Read my reply properly - I'm saying that in terms of recruitment criteria, i.e. whether your resume gets thrown out or you get your interview, these are all within the accepted range.
At the interview, it's all up to you. Your degree counts for very little at that stage.
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I am working in the investment industry and there are no IBs in Malaysia which pay anywhere close to RM140K for a fresh newly minted graduate straight out of school. Hence, I do not believe your statement.

As I have explained in my earlier post, logical inference would also tell one that IBs in Malaysia would have no need nor will they pay such a large pay packet for a fresh graduate - trading volumes are thin in Malaysia and the fixed income market cannot be considered mature in any sense so why should they need to?

An accepted range at the pre-interview resume sifting stage when considering the world's top colleges would be Oxbridge and the Ivy League plus Standford and INSEAD for instance, Uni of Melbourne and its equivalents would get bumped down another rank. This is not a discussion about the validity of the degree after candidate selection has been done.
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post Mar 20 2009, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Tangiers @ Mar 18 2009, 09:11 PM)
Are you sure KL pay is double Sg's? (following your assumption of 1:1 parity)

My understanding (based on my senior last year and my classmate now) is that it's more like 1.4 times. (following your assumption of 1:1 parity) Btw, I'm in NTU now.

I'm assuming that that RM140k is pay for fresh grad in investment banking division by foreign investment banks in KL.

And if we take a more realistic purchasing power parity, I believe the ratio should be even lower than 1.4.
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RM140k for a fresh graduate working in the banking sector in Malaysia is pure BS.

Moreso in these troubled times for financial institutions and for a financial backwater like Malaysia.


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post Mar 20 2009, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Tangiers @ Mar 20 2009, 12:39 PM)
Well, can anyone confirm?

I believe if you can get into investment banking division, the compensation should be very competitive. But how many leading financial institutions actually have investment banking division in KL is another story.
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Your last sentence and the fact that KL is a financial backwater clearly states what sort of "investment banking business" exists in Malaysia.



 

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