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Yukito
post Oct 7 2008, 12:38 AM

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Yeap..that's engine oil stain.
The boss said can't do anything because the mark already bond into it.   I think i'll need to buy a bottle of alum polish to DIY..hehe

Alum polish = Autosol smile.gif Definitely removable, so don't worry about it. I also use it on rims for the same cases but rims are exposed to more weird stuff like melted plastics etc.

Presence of Wax should be assessed by the smoothness of surface rather than the water beading.

And end of this month, I'll be doing a roadshow @ JuruAutoCity, Penang. Hopefully I'll find somebody there that's interested in opening a Car Detailing Center smile.gif

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Dear all, my dad bought a bottle of wax, and i would like to ask, what's the proper way to diy wax?

Wash, Clay (assess whether you have clayed properly by smoothness of surface). Then Wax. If your car is not new or polished, I recommend to use a Polish & Wax every 2 weeks instead. It's not as long lasting as a pure wax but it should help to buff up the shine and remove minor scratches. After 1 month you can switch to waxing alone. You should also try to do this under a shade to avoid the car drying up before you can finish your wash+clay

sleepwalker, after the wax you QD every 2 weeks. Technically, you are layering an extra layer of wax on top. Let's say you leave the wax layer alone, just pure washes every week. How long will it lasts? Just a question

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post Oct 7 2008, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 12:38 AM)
Alum polish = Autosol smile.gif Definitely removable, so don't worry about it. I also use it on rims for the same cases but rims are exposed to more weird stuff like melted plastics etc.

Presence of Wax should be assessed by the smoothness of surface rather than the water beading.

And end of this month, I'll be doing a roadshow @ JuruAutoCity, Penang. Hopefully I'll find somebody there that's interested in opening a Car Detailing Center smile.gif
Wash, Clay (assess whether you have clayed properly by smoothness of surface). Then Wax. If your car is not new or polished, I recommend to use a Polish & Wax every 2 weeks instead. It's not as long lasting as a pure wax but it should help to buff up the shine and remove minor scratches. After 1 month you can switch to waxing alone. You should also try to do this under a shade to avoid the car drying up before you can finish your wash+clay

sleepwalker, after the wax you QD every 2 weeks. Technically, you are layering an extra layer of wax on top. Let's say you leave the wax layer alone, just pure washes every week. How long will it lasts? Just a question
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Applying wax, how to remove it?
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post Oct 7 2008, 01:48 AM

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10hours later after detailing. Heavy rain for almost 3hours, unfortunately the rear boot is exposed to Roof water drainage. Oh my god, it neither sheets nor beads water !!!


Water beading doesnt show the wax is there. It's jes the surface tension. To test wax, apply a cloth and hard press on it. If there is squeky sound, then the wax might be wore off.
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post Oct 7 2008, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 6 2008, 12:04 PM)
Can't really estimate car size from picture. Is it like Honda City size or Accord size?

Hrm funny lately quite a few peugeots coming in.....

sleepwalker one day you can try Mothers Wax, quite ok also and I think the difference is negliegeble. Can DIY
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Hey bro. Is around the size of a Honda accord. What's your best price? Thanks!
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post Oct 7 2008, 10:17 AM

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There are also a few more other shops in Ampang, next to Kleemann showroom whistling.gif

But i think i'm going to ask Yukito to apply nano coating to my car....see how's the results smile.gif
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Nano coating? Can I try as well? biggrin.gif What are the charges like?
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post Oct 7 2008, 10:40 AM

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Hey bro. Is around the size of a Honda accord. What's your best price? Thanks

For that size a complete Polish (incl Wax) is RM350.

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Nano coating? Can I try as well?  What are the charges like?

Its a coating that functions like wax but lasts for one year. I charge RM480 for a Honda City sized car (incl Polish & 1 yr guarantee)

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post Oct 7 2008, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 10:40 AM)
For that size a complete Polish (incl Wax) is RM350.
Its a coating that functions like wax but lasts for one year. I charge RM480 for a Honda City sized car (incl Polish & 1 yr guarantee)
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There is one thing that always intrigued me is the so called guarantee for coatings. How does one measure the coating? How does one warrant against it. How do you measure it when you say "guaranteed to last 1 year". You can't measure the shine and definitely can't use the size of the water beads as measurement for the warranty.
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I'm just as curious as well so the guarantee means we can always go back and get the re-coated for FREE? biggrin.gif If that's the case then I don't mind paying and come back every month laugh.gif
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I'm just as curious as well so the guarantee means we can always go back and get the re-coated for FREE? biggrin.gif If that's the case then I don't mind paying and come back every month laugh.gif
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This reminds me of my year 12 Physic teacher in Australia. We were doing some lab experiment and asked him for the current atmospheric pressure. Without looking at the gauge he just took a deep breath to measure the pressure and said.."About 1.02 bar".. ahahaha..

So in this case what do we do? Look at the shine and go? Hmm.. about 7 months of coating left? Umm.. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif Or touch the panel and say "I've detected slightly more abrasion on the front bonnet than the side panels... ".. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 10:40 AM)
For that size a complete Polish (incl Wax) is RM350.
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For that price, what kind of materials are you using? And the wax will last for about a month right? Correct me if I am wrong.
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post Oct 7 2008, 03:56 PM

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There is one thing that always intrigued me is the so called guarantee for coatings. How does one measure the coating? How does one warrant against it. How do you measure it when you say "guaranteed to last 1 year". You can't measure the shine and definitely can't use the size of the water beads as measurement for the warranty.

Actually, for coating we do measure the presence of the coating by the water beading + smoothness. Waxes starts to breakdown with time, which disrupts surface tension thus the water beading. But the coating itself is rigid and flat, the water beading effect. If water beading is not there, we assume the surface is damanged/absent. Subsequently, we'll polish out the remnant coatings (if any) and then re-coat the surface.

As for shine, its really dependable on the conditions you subject it to. There was this MR-S that did the coating 3 months ago, the water beading and shine is great. But the shine at the front bonnet particularly is lacking as the car front is always subjected to exhaust from cars, oil stains from mamak stalls, etc. I did polished it and re-coat it for free out of goodwill. AFter that, I do a high speed wax for his bonnet everytime he comes for his weekly washes. But for other cars that I have done, the oldest a Civic (the VP of 8th Gen Civic Club) I did back in Apr, he's car still looks newly polished.

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For that price, what kind of materials are you using? And the wax will last for about a month right? Correct me if I am wrong.

Materials meaning equipments + chemicals? I'm using SONAX brand chemical, Lake Country Pads, & Flex/Makita Machines. As for the worksmanship, me and my colleague were trained in Neuberg, Germany for a month at the SONAX HQ smile.gif

For an average Malaysian driver, the wax lasts one month yes. If you think that's too troublesome, I'll recommend the coating.

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post Oct 7 2008, 05:28 PM

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Interesting and even obtained training from Germany biggrin.gif I think the only thing you're lacking is a "member" price for all of us here in LY.net laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 03:56 PM)
Actually, for coating we do measure the presence of the coating by the water beading + smoothness. Waxes starts to breakdown with time, which disrupts surface tension thus the water beading. But the coating itself is rigid and flat, the water beading effect. If water beading is not there, we assume the surface is damanged/absent. Subsequently, we'll polish out the remnant coatings (if any) and then re-coat the surface.

As for shine, its really dependable on the conditions you subject it to. There was this MR-S that did the coating 3 months ago, the water beading and shine is great. But the shine at the front bonnet particularly is lacking as the car front is always subjected to exhaust from cars, oil stains from mamak stalls, etc. I did polished it and re-coat it for free out of goodwill. AFter that, I do a high speed wax for his bonnet everytime he comes for his weekly washes. But for other cars that I have done, the oldest a Civic (the VP of 8th Gen Civic Club) I did back in Apr, he's car still looks newly polished.
Materials meaning equipments + chemicals? I'm using SONAX brand chemical, Lake Country Pads, & Flex/Makita Machines. As for the worksmanship, me and my colleague were trained in Neuberg, Germany for a month at the SONAX HQ smile.gif

For an average Malaysian driver, the wax lasts one month yes. If you think that's too troublesome, I'll recommend the coating.
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This is why I asked how you measure the coating. Based on your answer above, that means the guarantee is worthless as you have no way to measure how much coating is left. Most people that use beading as a measurement would provide the actual size of the beading that is considered as 'effective', eg beading size must not exceed 1-2cm, etc etc.

So does your guarantee also subjected to conditions that the car is subjected to? The reason for your coating is longer lasting but your statement goes against that. 3 months and the front of the MR-S has lost the shine and you re-coated for free out of goodwill. SHouldn't that be re-coated as per 1 year guarantee?

After that you have to give the car a high speed wax every time he comes in for his weekly wash, that means speedwax every week. Now, if I did that to a normal wax job and give it a speed wax every week, it would be the same as your coating right? The shine is not going to disappear with that kind of treatment.

This is the reason why, until today, there is no such thing as coat once and last a long time. The only product I've seen that does that needs to remove a layer of the original clear coat and respray with their own teflon formula clear coat. That is guaranteed for 5 years but still require a quick monthly treatment of their special chemical to maintain the shine. However, this treatment is good only if you have a new car as older cars would have very uneven clearcoat for them to work on.

That is why I never believe that anything you wipe on the car will last up to a year.
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Maybe we should consider re-painting after some time instead of doing too much of extensive detailing work. After all, the costs of detailing is not cheap as well.
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post Oct 7 2008, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 03:56 PM)
Actually, for coating we do measure the presence of the coating by the water beading + smoothness. Waxes starts to breakdown with time, which disrupts surface tension thus the water beading. But the coating itself is rigid and flat, the water beading effect. If water beading is not there, we assume the surface is damanged/absent. Subsequently, we'll polish out the remnant coatings (if any) and then re-coat the surface.

As for shine, its really dependable on the conditions you subject it to. There was this MR-S that did the coating 3 months ago, the water beading and shine is great. But the shine at the front bonnet particularly is lacking as the car front is always subjected to exhaust from cars, oil stains from mamak stalls, etc. I did polished it and re-coat it for free out of goodwill. AFter that, I do a high speed wax for his bonnet everytime he comes for his weekly washes. But for other cars that I have done, the oldest a Civic (the VP of 8th Gen Civic Club) I did back in Apr, he's car still looks newly polished.
Materials meaning equipments + chemicals? I'm using SONAX brand chemical, Lake Country Pads, & Flex/Makita Machines. As for the worksmanship, me and my colleague were trained in Neuberg, Germany for a month at the SONAX HQ smile.gif

For an average Malaysian driver, the wax lasts one month yes. If you think that's too troublesome, I'll recommend the coating.
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The how much does it cost for the whole process of washing, polish and coating for a Honda Accord size car? And why others still prefer waxing to coating? I'm new in all this thing so do entertain me on those questions ya. Thanks bro.
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I saw in Autospa's website that they carry Zymol products. Any ideas how much it costs for a bottle of Zymol Japon wax? smile.gif
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Some water beading pictures here smile.gif
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Oct 7 2008, 12:38 AM)
Alum polish = Autosol smile.gif Definitely removable, so don't worry about it. I also use it on rims for the same cases but rims are exposed to more weird stuff like melted plastics etc.

Presence of Wax should be assessed by the smoothness of surface rather than the water beading.

And end of this month, I'll be doing a roadshow @ JuruAutoCity, Penang. Hopefully I'll find somebody there that's interested in opening a Car Detailing Center smile.gif
Wash, Clay (assess whether you have clayed properly by smoothness of surface). Then Wax. If your car is not new or polished, I recommend to use a Polish & Wax every 2 weeks instead. It's not as long lasting as a pure wax but it should help to buff up the shine and remove minor scratches. After 1 month you can switch to waxing alone. You should also try to do this under a shade to avoid the car drying up before you can finish your wash+clay

sleepwalker, after the wax you QD every 2 weeks. Technically, you are layering an extra layer of wax on top. Let's say you leave the wax layer alone, just pure washes every week. How long will it lasts? Just a question
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Yukito! I just got my new car and recently, there's scratches on my car due to my small dog playing around. Those scratches are everywhere and some are pretty visible. My car is less than a month old. Pretty heart broken. How can I get rid of those marks and do they have such thing like a scratch resistant layer or protection? And I am planning to do coating at your store. Will the coat protect my car from those scratches? What's the best price you can give me? My car size is about a Honda Accord car. Thanks bro.
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Can we re apply clearcoat without having to respray the paint?

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