Please refer to the below, the first time i invited Benny to read the link, addressed to Pai as well. It is intact

QUOTE(Benny5187 @ Sep 16 2009, 05:39 PM)
Xui Cheng, thanks for your remarks on SW.

Yes, talking about buying properties...whether for own stay or investment, the major factors we should consider are location, developer, surrounding amenities, public transport, accessibility to major towns, future appreciation of properties, bla bla bla....all these seem to be in the favour of SW.

Ah, almost forget to mention about the price...damn...many people seem to be scared away by the so called high premium price charged by SPS.

Before I take my order...need more opinions from the sifus to enlighten me.

My reply to Benny

Just visit: http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0 , u will see plenty of discussion, good and bad.

Most of the critic = Traffic Jam, which may be lighthened by the LRT.

Price = i dun think it is very "overpriced" since Zarra of IOI also selling 600k.

Pai,
I dun intend to write a thesis to justify. will be the same comment in the above link, which u are also a member.

Thanks

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Added on September 19, 2009, 12:26 amCannot Tahan rarely got it wrong...

1) ppl behid the link? OMG, so u r trying to say you know all ppl behind that link and this link? True or not...U think u are CEO of MCMC ar? Can know all the people one...Bla Bla Bla, True or not????

2)Accusation? please pin point lah, dun learn like our dear friend, need to got some basis, isn't it? Like that no good lah...

3) I never denied that i am not arrogance, but i reserve ignorance and naive for u..And u are contradicting mah!!! you say you know the ppl behind that link, like u know they are jahat one, but still want to read, AIYOYO, want to do business no need like that one mah!!!

4) How long in property? HAHA, a amature question, The point is not when u start, but when you finish..right? And somemore ar, not wise lah to ask like that, she can say 5y 10y 100y...So what, can u verify or not???? Ask a question like not asking question at all...AIYOYO..If u ask ur client how many years they want to borrow ok lah..How many year in property asked in Internet woh, aiyo.



Dear xui cheng,
I said i like u, so u dont mind i reply on behalf???HEHEHE

Please bear with me ar, i like boy boy girl girl playing sands

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 19 2009, 01:53 AM

No it's not.. what's going on? the link literally looks like this :




See all the dots? they're not supposed to be there. That's what makes the link invalid. Can you post just the reference part (without the 'http://www.realestate.net.my'? maybe that will work.

This post has been edited by wodenus: Sep 19 2009, 12:29 AM

http://www.realestate.net.my/forum/viewtop...t=20928&start=0

I think it is ok and in this way in the 1st citation, the system changed it to dot dot dot one after cut and paste within this thread. if you go back to xui cheng's post to Benny, it is intact.

Or just surf on www.realestate.net.my

Follow by Discussion forum,

follow by Setia Walk

U can get it, 40 over pages

Enjoy, see how Zavier, Xui cheng and I thrashed 1 Monk...

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 19 2009, 12:41 AM

HER nerve, and guess I must have struck LOTS of it judging by her reply.......

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Added on September 19, 2009, 12:54 amSo I've read the thread but still could not see what makes you so sure that :

SW will be the land mark of puchong.
If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

I did see some actually canceled their purchase on SW some more ( even the TS itself ) and most ppl think the pricing is rather ridiculous.

Lets see if you can actually point it out or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is beating around the bushes

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 12:55 AM

Mr Cannot Tahan,

It is ok, but i miss your really provocative words in Zen.

However, if i may correct u a little bit...I didnt claim myself being arrogant, i am just stating the fact.

The facts remains simple, pai asked for the info and i provided the info, he then refused to read.

And when he was caught red handed with giving a fundamentally wrong advise (he asked those interested in Zest to wait minimum a year for freebies), he got pissed off and claimed that i cant justify.

And only emotional person will attack other people being emotional. Somemore only people with low self confidence will put AirAsia boss there to enhance his reputation.

Really hope that we can have a quality discussion, but people will have to read first.

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Added on September 19, 2009, 1:13 amOh Pai, you read, Glad that u finally do.

If u have done this at the 1st opportunity, it would have made this link more informative. Good that u read, late is better than never, congrate.

OK, let's start...

1st, i adopted learned Cannot Tahan's view. I am of the opinion a well to do guy have not much options in Puchong. Yes, they can always choose to stay in MK,KLCC... But i am referring to those who has to stay in Puchong, perhaps due to time constrain, family ties....They can afford and would not mind to pay a premium...

Just like u can get a terrace in other areas in Puchong paying less than 300k, but some people dun mind to pay double in BPP and YTL's lake adge. It is all come to one = affordability.

And puchong got more and more businessman, topped with more and more good earning working class, with the introduction of PFCC and Co.

You can see the response from recent IOI's launch, 600k for 22 X 75, almost fully sold in 2 days, left with unit facing junction.

Ok Pai, your turn

Ps: Be patience, let's see whether we can reach a consensus on the generality first, b4 we zoom in further...But Lets see if you can actually point out some useful advice, or you'll continue doing what u do best, which is giving wrong advice as you gave in Zest

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 19 2009, 01:21 AM

Xui Cheng ar Xui Cheng,

Just 1 to top up 1 thing, Puchong lack of high end condo, SW may be the only 1 in puchong for a number of years...

For me, high end condo in KLCC and MK are so closed to the optimum... Puchong is a good area to explore.

HEHEHE, i always prefer to go after niche market, we have a choice, we can choose those who can afford...HEHEHE

Bravo and keep it up

I've posted in the thread since the beginning. I couldnt find anything to support your claims, hence why I asked.

U do understand english right?

So again, why would they choose SW in Puchong? Of all the new launches (Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera) , SW has the least number of facilities available, located right smack in city center where the traffic is horrendous.

And also since they could afford it, why would they buy a condo in Puchong?

Pls share how do you derive that there are more businessman in Puchong? Is it by the number of empty shop lots accross and next to SW?

And do explain why these "business" man would buy SW? I tot' businessman will buy semi-D and bungalows.............

And yet SW has yet to fully sell-off its available units after more than 1 year and after all the various freebies and financing schemes. I wonder why? Any clue Xui Cheng?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 1:57 amChief, is SW a "high-end" condo to begin with? Care to share your thought?



This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 01:57 AM

AH Pai ar AH Pai,
If u compare with stonor park, SW is just some bricks and cement...
If u compare within Puchong? it is the surrounding that makes it "high end" mah...

I thinnk Xui Cheng and Zavier addressed those issues in that realestate link, see whether she care to redo it over here,

Dun worry Pai, if she dosent to so, i will come in later.

Coz this is really late, my old soul will need a lot of rests...

Good night, chief

at the moment , SW still got units available? Quite interested to buy and join the fun..

At least still got 2 more blocks plenty to choose from

Dear Pai, glad that u read and not repeating the same mistake,

1. English
Yes, sorry that i dont know how to type chinese or Tamil

2. Zest, SW, Zen, Atmosfera...
Pai, dont show cold war mentality...All the condos you mentioned are NOT mutually exclusive, all MAY be benefited! Each of them ought to be looked into with own facts.

3. WHY SW
Facilities? Pai, do u really take that as the main consideration? I understand that most ppl dont really utilise the facilities, I believe SW will stand up on other as a "brand". Judging solely from facilities, i am sure Zen will outcast ALL kind of development???

4. Businessman
More ppl > more business > more businessmen...Hope your comman sense can understand this
And with all sorts of banks you can recall, why they open a branch there if the business is not vibrant?

5. Why choose condo
Again Pai, Businessman does not mean all make millions, there can be 10k, 20k, 100k, 100m, So is it your proposition that all businessman can afford bungalows? Use ur common sense, that i hope u have...And u tot' businessman stay in semi D or bungalow??? Just like you tot' Zest need atleast 1 year yo sell off and will offer freebies BUT THEY DIDNT< And u apologised for your "TOT", SO? what u tot' is always right

6.Not fully sold + cancelling
Why dont you also go to SW showhouse to see? And infact, the number is provided in the previous posts

7. IF can accord, why condo?
Oh Pai, do u believe that 1 product can suit all kind of people? It is simple "Personal Preferance", can also be more sense of secured!!! Again, your "tot'" is not always conclusive and accurate, there are always an opposite, Ying & Yang

8. High End
Oops, since it is abundantly dealt with by Mr Cannot Tahan, i will not troble u to read more.

And Pai, i have no problem at all to discuss, but hope it will be some more difficult Q, not those can be answered by common sense....And please read

And i dont like to debate, i like sharing and discussing...

Thanks Pai.


And Dear All,

I see rick kepong people move to DPC, KL people to KLCC, PJ people to BU & tmn Tun, Segambut dalam to MK... landed and Condo.

So where can puchong people go?

Don tell me they prefer to stuck in the trafic coming to Puchong every morning and evening or all day, from DPC, KLCC, MK, TTDI, Subang, Cyber, Putra...

I will rest my case here, until it is proven wrong.

And of course, it is ok to agree and disagree, or we can agree to disagree, as i always acknowledge there are 2 sides of coin.

Happy reading and see u again.

Thanks

Deciosn is yours


This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 19 2009, 04:23 PM

This has now become an interesting read with all the back and forth replies. SW never really caught my interest but now it certainly has, will go and check it out later. Thanks folks, nice debate keep it up just try to refrain from making personal attacks and focus on the facts as much as possible )

How much at the moment and the downpayment? Is there any interest free during construction period? Thanks

The last time was having 5/95 scheme with 0% con. interest.. Not sure what happen now... u can check with their show room http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=3.0350655&lo...78&z=18&l=7&m=b

Their 1st launch was selling at RM325/sqft .. which translate the smallest 850sqft (1+1 room) unit at about RM276k..

2nd block will have an increase of 10% as described by other forumers... Best is to check with SPS.. good luck..

This post has been edited by eugene jk: Sep 19 2009, 02:33 PM

I was told SPS still offering it implicitly, on the name of case by case basis.

I think less than 10 units left. Ths SA told me in affirmative way that at least 10% hike in the next launch.

Just to remind u there are many critics on this project. Make your own decision, All the Bests

Besides more intellectual discussion, i also expect the moral police to jump in...Merce?

And Xui Cheng, one more thing, SPS...

You wont get something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4nuIyPHnFM



This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 19 2009, 04:43 PM

This is not good...

Many of us have vested interest in a project developed by this Developer. I heard it is bad, but dun know tho this extent. Hope they are better now.

And now it appears to me like a big joke, when once upon atime, one of our friend said this:
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I wonder why ppl complaint so much when Heron is property they bought for 100k++ only. Were they expecting Sunrise level of workmanship?

Keep on saying workmanship is bad but never highlight the details.....dem funny ;p rate
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Hope we all learn that we are doomed to make mistake, as a mankind.

Eh why quote me? = =" i was refering to her post not urs lah...


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This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 19 2009, 08:55 PM

Think you are avoiding most of the questions, as expected. Let me clarify the question to its most basic english state for your understanding :

2. I didnt asked which is the worst or best. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?

3. Have you rented ANY property out before? Have you rented your property to expats?
Im not sure about you, but I've been in the landlord business long enuff to know that good facilities attracts good tenants + premium rents. Its a major consideration albeit not a main one especially if one is gonna fork out a hefty 350-400psf. Honestly SW facilities are mediocre at best and is probably the worst of the 4.

3a. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?

4. U assume that there r plenty business man in Puchong, and I asked you for stats to prove your assumption. As I suspected, its PURELY your own assumption not backed with any facts whatsoever, just like the rest of your statements.

Speaking of common-sense, all good projects nomally sold out within weeks/months. Use your "common-sense" and do tell us why SW has yet to sell all its block and still not able to fully sell its existing stocks despite :

- offering 5/95 con scheme
- Various round of free makan and drinks
- Monthly adevertisment in all major newspaper.

5. Zest was a good product that is fully sold. Ealier buyer now makes 10%-15% paper gain on a fully sold project. I cant say the same for SW though.

Again u r avoiding the question. These businessman that you mentioned, why would they choose SW over other condos, DSL, Semi-D and Bungalow? Please answer the question if you can.

6. Been there and the finishing is so-so. I do like the layout of the studios though. And yes its NOT fully sold even to date.

7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong? Or r u saying that SW buyers all buy SW bcoz its expensive?

8. Your high-end definition must be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy lower than the general standard if u think SW is a high end product. Have u seen a high-end product before? Care to share whats your definition on "high end"?

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Added on September 19, 2009, 9:31 pmI've seen Atmosfera, Zen and SW showroom, and honestly SW looks like the worst of the lot, in terms of facilities, finishing and spec. Therefore, usage of high-end to describe SW is highly debatable boss, "high-price" or expensive IMO is a more fair description.



This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 19 2009, 09:31 PM