Thank youn Alan.

Not offended at all at what you said is very true.

No property will ever come to 100% satisfaction. Quality is just a yardstick when comes to comparison. And also the dev's attitude in dealing with it.

But of course the recent revealation of Heron is horrifying.

Good night.

Thanks Kenny for xplaining this to our Xui Cheng. She conveniently "forgotten" the date I put my suggestion in her cheap allegations. I suspect her english comprehension is on the low side coz she has problem understanding questions and answering them.

Btw, think SW was priced at close to 60% premium over Zest if we count psf. Zest staring price in its 1st phase was at RM200psf +- while SW cheapest unit was already above RM300psf

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:18 amSome correction on some allegations towards me by a liar :

I didnt ask ppl not to buy, but I asked them to wait for more freebies. U do understand basic english right? ......

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.


Im the eighth of the many buyers in LYF that bought Zest( think there was more than 100 as per Eugene's list) when I saw signs of economic recovery. I declared my purchase here to everyone in the thread latest May/June.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

Didnt saw the cracks and tiles defects complaints until yesterday someone posted the link. Most of the complaints that I read in Heron was due to tenancy issues and management office behaviour, not structural defects, and my comments were made without knowing that there's potentially a structural defect issue....

Ignorance is bliss......

Pls point out where exactly I made such statements, girl. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

I believe Puchong will thrive with or without SW. U on the other hand seem to think SW is the center of universe, by making claims that SW will be 1st to benefit, SW is gonna be landmark etc. Making claims wihout justification to con others is blatantly misleading.



I have a policy of not making fun of ppl who acts like retards. So Im not gonna make fun of you. Anyway I think your false allegations will show the world your depth and what u really r.

Pls lie somemore so that ppl can see who u really are.

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:32 am1. Correction - U r paying a least 50% more, right?. Pls compare the spec between what u'll get in SW VS what Zest offers, then tell us if its any better.

2. Cannot Tahan appears to be a long time investor with some experience in investing in Puchong. So I trust that he will have a game-plan, holding power and experience to ensure that he doesnt loose any $$$ later.

Im didnt say u r irrational, but do u have a gameplan, holding power and experience to sustain your unit if what SW did not turn out wonderfully as what the brochures sells you? Do you know what is the rental and seeling prices for condo's nearby?

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 amHi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 21 2009, 03:35 AM

Hi Zavier,

Look at Pai the Funny again...He make us laugh.

Wow, words like "retard" also comes out already...sounds like those back street men talking, hahaha, in the US movie...

Pointing out 2 mistakes of him made him MAD, dun know if we point out another 1 or 2, how will he react, be ready to here more aggressive words from him...HEHEHE

He is in a state of denial caused by anger & self esteem.
He still dosent know that he is far behind us, WHY, coz he is always the last person to know:-
1.He has to wait until sep to finally see the market sentiment is good...funny and lousy;
2. He is not aware of the crack...(in his word)...funny and inefficient.

Let's move on Zavier, or this link will become the avenue for AH PAI to clear his name, with deceitful means...HAHAHA

Seeing AH PAI covering 1 blunder with another blunder is definitely amusing...

Thanks AH PAI

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Added on September 21, 2009, 12:51 pmyea i wonder why Paineer also like tht .. calling ppl retard doesnt make him any better ..
now i think i m better than him .. haha

This post has been edited by zavier98: Sep 21 2009, 12:51 PM

You are, definetely.

Do u mind to say....WE are

I place most weightage on potential in investment, rather than the current surrounding circumstances.

Potential refers to future, taking into account the rapidly-changing surrounding circumstances
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According to section 91 & 92 of the Evidence Act, all promises prior to the final agreement in writing, are not enforceable nor binding, should the promises were not reduced in to the final Agreement.

Consequently, All representations contained in the brochure but not in the SPA, is not binding. It solely hinge on the goodwill of the Parties.


This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 21 2009, 03:11 PM

So Cannot Tahan

Just say developer X promises in his marketing brochure that they will develop L-Style mall , Central park , Natural surrounding , etc etc and If it is NOT mention in the SPA
Can the buyer fill for a claim in the court of law if the developer central park is just a playground with some tree on it , the lifestyle mall is just some shop lots and etc

Just want some clarification on this matter

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Added on September 21, 2009, 3:35 am
Hi Alan, thanks for sharing. Your experince will hopefully remind many ppl that no developer is perfect.

Btw, is your sisters bungalow is still within the defect liability period?

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defect liability period over already. end up appoint own contract to repair

You are clever.

The reason i like law is the general rule always come with exception.

In that case, u will need to prove a collateral Agreement, which is stand alone from the SPA. It comes with extremely high threshold.

That is why, boy, u can see the banks will put the Letter of Offer in the facilities Agreement, and a clause in the FA stipulating that the LOF forms part of the FA.

A dev will never attach the marketing brochure in the SPA.

Outstanding reply Cannot Tahan. Are you a lawyer?

So in short without the C.A , the buyer wont be able to sue in court of law?
Guess we shouln't take the dev word at face value

HAHAHAHA,

Guess..........

As time goes by, a passionate men like me acquired a lot of skills...................

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 21 2009, 08:08 PM

i tot u alr are ..

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Added on September 21, 2009, 11:27 pmok conclusion time ... i like to make a summary after a heated discussion ..

be it sw or zest, purchasers have made decision based on their own analysis ... in this case, xuicheng has pointed out her reasoning for the arguement .. if it is not acceptable by Pai, then be it .. she is here to share her view ... there is no right or wrong answer ... Pai should not judge her answer and keep demanding for a better ones..

by comparing sw and zest is not to belittle whichever but would like to show there is alw two sides of coin .. finally ppl are buying due to what they believe in .. there is no need to be hard on the others ..

for sw, ppl will say overprice, low spec, etc etc .. firstly it depends on what u r paying for, then it all depends on the developer to deliver .. now let us hope zest developer learnt from their mistake and make it a better one in zest .. it doesnt make me any better if something bad happen to zest .. i hope zest owner have the same view on sw ..

This post has been edited by zavier98: Sep 21 2009, 11:27 PM

1) i'm not saying i know ALL the ppl behind the link, but do i need to declare to the world if i know them?

2) i can see where this is going, and feel that there isn't any need for me to pin-point anything further. this "debate" is getting pointless already.

3) save the ignorance and naive for u own. i didn't make any claims that they are jahat whatsoever, but on the other hand you made that assumption. (quote me if i did)

4)

to pass me a mirror so i can hold it for you to look at yourself?

enjoy the rest of the game guys... it was fun reading all the posts here.

now lets meet up for a drink.

This post has been edited by merce: Sep 22 2009, 01:03 PM

Next time ar, give more prompt action lah, so cold already still want to goreng, HAHAHA

Is OCBC a panel for SW?

This post has been edited by Cannot Tahan: Sep 22 2009, 01:18 PM

no time to entertain all of your post. tight schedule.

SW is in OCBC EF listing, but as far as i know only for residential unit. Not sure about the commercial units.



do i need to be concern about this?



i rest my case.

LOL

I never said u were THE retard, right? Why behave like one?



I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :
1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?


Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).

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Added on September 22, 2009, 4:52 pm1. Your answer is the reason which is I know u r a rookie compared to Cannot Tahan. SW is most like your 1st purchase OR 1st highrise purchase. Cannot Tahan post answered your question, let me quote him :

According to section 91 & 92 of the Evidence Act, all promises prior to the final agreement in writing, are not enforceable nor binding, should the promises were not reduced in to the final Agreement.

Consequently, All representations contained in the brochure but not in the SPA, is not binding. It solely hinge on the goodwill of the Parties.

2. SPS is a newbie high rise and mix development developer, so there a good chance what happened in Heron could occur is SW as well, especilly when owners dont check for hollow tiles upon VP. Thinking otherwise is just plain naive......

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Added on September 22, 2009, 5:44 pmLearnt something new here.

So I assume that SW does have collateral agreement with regards of the mall attached with the SPA?

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Added on September 22, 2009, 5:55 pmI felt sorry for your sister's case who bought the 2mil bungalow from SPS, again your case made it clear that no developer is perfect especially when they had no obligations to do so. Guess this is a reality check for all of us, especially to those who think just bcoz the developer is reputable, it means their purchase will be absolute hassle-free.

Personally, think the system is flawed as homebuyers are not protected at all once DLP is over. There should be a maximum damage threshold that entitles buyers to claim for damages from developer once DLP is over. That would be fair and push developers to deliver a less problematic product upon VP.

Btw, how much did your sis ended up paying to the new contractor to fix the problem for good?

This post has been edited by Pai: Sep 22 2009, 05:56 PM

[quote=Pai,Sep 22 2009, 04:42 PM]
I never said u were THE retard, right? Why behave like one?

I think I've made my point to the public, that u r all talk. Empty drums often is the loudest. Till tiday, you still cant clarify/correct all your claims below :
1. SW will be the land mark of puchong.
2. If Puchong slump, SW also slump.
3. If PFCC, IOI Belev, SW commercial blocks all work out, SW will be the 1st one to be benefited.

Other debatable claims by Xui Cheng that remains unanswered :

4. You have yet to prove to us your claims on " Puchong has more businessman".
5. I asked why your "business" man would go for SW instead of the other Puchong condo? SW is the most expensive, have the least facility and located in the a traffic area so whats the main selling point here?
6. SW as a brand? Very interesting. Care to explain what brand equity does SW brings to its buyers?
7. Again, what is the personal preference that makes ppl want to buy SW VS any other condo in Puchong?
Claiming something that isnt true/cant be proven, is wishful thinking and blatantly misleading (Am being polite trying not to label you a liar that is working very hard to push only one particular project, its almost like you are working for SP).
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My sincere answer to you, with all the best wishes...


Pai, self confidence is good for your career progress, too much of it makes u self inflated and cant learn from the basic (self imposed blindfolding).

Like Zavier said, i have explained.

If you want me to explain more, at least u should read the basic 1st. Without doing that, how do i expect you to understand the more intellectual one?

So Pai, sit down and read, understand and learn.

If you are too busy to do the 15 Qs & As which were tailored made to your intelligence, at least u can answer me ...DID I PROVE THAT U MADE 2 BLUNDERS? 1st you affirmatively told everyone that ZEST needs at least 1 year to sell off, 2ndly, you described Heronian's complaints funny? The result simply showed the otherwise despite u can always give 101 reasons...

Answer me, b4 you demand more...PAi. If you dont know about things u can see, what do u know about things u cannot see?

Face the truth, and the truth will not far from u.

As pointed out by Zavier, calling people retard simply didnt make u any better, if you ever were...

Good luck PAI

This post has been edited by chuah xui cheng: Sep 22 2009, 08:04 PM