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post Jan 24 2011, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 24 2011, 12:37 AM)
Inverter doesn't mean straight away saving electricity.
It depends how you use it, if you undersize the air-cond, setting the temp too low, room is an open space, you can have the same electricity consumption as same as the conventional one. 

- For inverter have more benefit, even set in 27C still feeling very cold for my living hall, I set to 27C in night time I watch tv until I sleeping till next morning, I never worry about about my electric bill for 2.5hp to compared my previous 2hp non-inverter I cannot switch on for long hours, 1st is the noisy sound inside & outdoor with non-inverter will keep very cold at all time and cannot set to 26C and above you will facing for compressor on & off repeated.
Non-inverter will make you uncomfortable at all time.

And also, take consider that some concealed piping issue, as inverter use different gas and different piping. 
So conventional air-cond is not going to die off soon, and has still long time to go. 

- for existing piping is already used conseal pipe and also used to age of R22 gas pipe just left in wall.
Con be consider used trucking for cover new R410a gas pipe.
If you don't mind for energy saving with long run.

I don't agree inverter can take over so soon, especially with its price tag that is significant higher.
Do remember, whatever, price factor is very influential factor that affect consumer market, disregardause what item.

-because of Malaysia market still using conventional air cond and salesman all recommend for non-inverter model they can selling as fast to earn more commission.
Cause non-inverter unit price will be low and cheaper for installation as well.
To compared inverter model.

We are talking about 20-30% price higher, not 2-3%, low usage definitely take years to recoup back based on current electricity tariff rate, which mathematical wise, not 100% sure will convince people to use, coupled with the piping issue as well. 
Imagine, your office is a concealed piping one, and you are going to change an air-cond, you don't hack the wall so that you change the piping to accomodate for inverter installation, the situation will force people to buy the conventional one.

If your office is using convention air cond if wanna change to inverter can be choose for daikin R22 inverter, cause your wall do very nicely with cannot touch anything again and piping is conseal.

One more important inverter unit , if your living hall is open space or some balcony is opening still can be choose for inverter air cond it is won't let your Aircond runing non-stop to keep to maintain the same temperature, only you set in very very low temperature <23C for convention non-inverter model are same thing non-stop at all.
For inverter you still can control the temperature low or higher to 27C for that area keep cooling.

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post Jan 24 2011, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(netroais @ Jan 24 2011, 01:52 PM)
anyone can help me with this

Regarding Mitsubishi aircon
I get this from here - http://www.coolserve.com.sg/htmdocs/produc...ils.asp?id=2397

[b]MSY-GE13VA

in here it mention the cooling kW = 3.50 < how to count this??

if I convert it to Watt it become 3500W and it gonna use a lot of power....

anyone can help me to find the right Watt for this model...wanna calculate the EER for this model..

I'm thinking to buy SHARP AHXP13LV(1.5HP) - INVERTER & PLASMACLUSTER ION AIR CONDITIONER price = Rm1700
anyone have any comment on this model?? hear that it silent and strong...
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3.5kw x 3412 = 11942 BTU.
Mitsubishi electric is good brand and quietest at 19dB for GE13VA.
Price is around Rm1750.
With easy clean. You don't see the Btu is lower than Sharp.
But the coldest set to 25C until you can't sleep as well it is very cold.
Don't buy sharp brand, sharp was noisy at all for 1.5hp in quiet mode at 29dB if you can accepted.
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post Feb 3 2012, 05:00 PM

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Wah look like in m'sia still quite a lots ppls using non-inverter Aircon.

Why not used the inverter..


Added on February 3, 2012, 5:01 pmEven York inverter Y-series still work great and keep cold and damn quiet all times.

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QUOTE(fahrur_07 @ Feb 5 2012, 02:28 PM)
what is the advantage using aircond with inverter?
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Advantage is much more smile.gif

Using inverter of 3 main point.

1st comfort on 25-27c temp.
(even on raining day, if set on 27c outside compressor cut off but internal does not feel the air is cut and keep warm to restart again.
Cause of non-inverter even you set in 25c still feel very hot & slowly to keep that room cooling down.

2nd. Energy saving on everyday usage for Rm30++ per mths of 8-12hrs x 30days.

3rd. Quiet & realible.
Worry free of after 3 years compressor noisy,
Inverter compressor all using DC and reduce all the vibration when on & off.

The main point still keep you very comfort and energy saving for used more.

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QUOTE(tifosi @ Feb 6 2012, 06:39 PM)
The reason being is inverter air cond only save you electricity if you on continuously for 4-5 hours straight or so. If you on for a short period of time, there is no different in consumption between both inverter or non inverter.
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inverter aircond is not you said only saving for operate at 4-5 hours.

there is when you start and faster keep cold and reduce the power consumption from 800w - 200w per hours.

cause the non-inverter may need taking 1 to 2 hours for keep cold down the room temperature.
once is reached and stop the main compressor and most of the time just listen the compressor on & off until next morning or set to lower at 22c to be force the compressor slowly to stop running.

the inverter is when the temperature is reached and to be reduce the minimum speed to keep it same temp. and also reduce the outside fan speed.

so your bill on 1 - 3 hours still payment the minimum of power consumption of 200w per / hr.

cause my house all using the mitsubishi electric on living hall & 3 bedroom for operates at 8-12 per day the bill is less than Rm200< per months.

living hall for 2.5hp & 3 bedroom for 1hp x 3.

why not pay extra fews bucks for installed and keep your monthly bill lower.

NOW GO FOR GREEN AND NO MORE FOR NON-INVERTER FOR YOUR NEW HOUSE.
SAID GOOD BYE OF NON-INVERTER.

everyday & night just on & off for what.... rclxub.gif


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post Feb 7 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 7 2012, 03:02 PM)
Mostly people like to see the purchasing price cheaper. Imagine buying few non inverter aircon and save thousand already. They never care about the usage cost cause they deal it later.

Mostly experience and 2nd user will try inverter aircon.
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Cause the non-inverter for salesman can earn better commission.

Once you installed and the rest you will facing the trouble on monthly bill for 1hp at Rm100++ or higher usage.

The inverter only take your bill around Rm30++ for fews monthly later your installed fee and extra cost for inverter to be reback already.


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 7 2012, 05:01 PM)
woohoo, using inverter can result bill from RM100 to Rm30, this is first time I heard.

Even inverter air-cond manufacturers don't dare to claim it...
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Yes my house using all the inverter + untility at only <Rm200 per mths.

Cause from mon - fri is no ppl around.

But at night is switch on 2 Rooms x 1hp for inverter,
(total usage for 10 hrs x 30 day)

My living hall for 2.5hp inverter also is switch on from night time 3hrs x 5 days + sat & sun for operates from 9am - 12am.

Thanks


Added on February 7, 2012, 5:31 pm
QUOTE(dishwasher @ Feb 7 2012, 05:06 PM)
I share a house with a few people, and lately I've been thinking of getting an aircond. My problem is that we share the electric bill. How much extra should I offer to pay if that's the case? General usage is maybe 6-8 hours a night, probably getting a 1.5hp inverter type.
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Like your case if using an inverter 1.5hp for 8 usage per days.

Just around Rm50 per mths of the room.
Sould like wroth than 1hp for non-inverter.


Added on February 7, 2012, 5:35 pmIf your electric meter is old type is using the rotary analog non-digital meter.

Once you switch on non-inverter and look at the meter speed is runing like aeroplane.

If you change to inverter to be reduce on normal speed.

This is very true to believed.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 7 2012, 05:38 PM)
By your analogy (RM100 to RM30), before you switched into inverter, your bill must be > RM500.  whistling.gif

What so special about RM200?
An office with all non-inverter air-cond on 2 rooms x 1hp power for 9 hours + 1.5hp on room for 6 days a week for 3~4 hours average, also registered less than RM200.
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Office is using Phase 3 current.

The cost should be much higher than your house usage.


Added on February 7, 2012, 5:45 pmYes my previous non-inverter 2hp panasonic just switch on 8hrs x 3 days per week of the months the bill is cost be more than Rm150 & still not include the rest.


Added on February 7, 2012, 5:48 pmDon't one to explain so much here,
Just you find out for your own smile.gif

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If your house can achieved on less than Rm200 per months of total bill an using the non-inverter aircon..
All to be switch on 8 hours x 30 days for 1hp x 3 + 2.5hp, just go and try the result is how much per month of fully non-inverter Aircon & set to 23C.


Added on February 7, 2012, 6:38 pmCause for normal inverter 1hp can suit for 3m x 4.5m x 3m high and set to 25c of 1fan or 2fan speed.

There is not give you warm or uncomfortable.
Even raining day still can used Aircon for whole night and set in 25c only.

Ha ha sound like I wanna promote the inverter Aircon here,

Just sharing my experience of usage per days of inverter advantage smile.gif

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 7 2012, 07:02 PM)
For rainy day, setting 25c is actually wasting energy. Why because outside temperature can be lower than 25c.

For much saving, get a ceiling ventilation, and switch it on during rainy day. This will suck in fresh and cooling air. Much more saving.
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Cause when you have using it all the time, if without Aircon I think the drame also badly.
Raining days using Aircon is very shock one smile.gif

Ha ha.
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Yes using Aircon by daily is suit for personal needed.
Cause some ppls only need stand fan.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 7 2012, 07:02 PM)
For rainy day, setting 25c is actually wasting energy. Why because outside temperature can be lower than 25c.

For much saving, get a ceiling ventilation, and switch it on during rainy day. This will suck in fresh and cooling air. Much more saving.


Added on February 7, 2012, 7:04 pmAlso my calculation per your reply earlier.

899 1hp
1268 1hp inverter
2199 2.5hp
2699 2.5hp
So let say using http://www.jintexelectronics.com/ pricing, and say all compressor run all the time for easy calculation.
1HP Panasonic standard non inverter = 788
2.5HP Panasonic non inverter = 2199

1HP Panasonic Inverter = 1268
2.5HP Panasonic Inverter = 2699
For Non Inverter:
3x 1hp, + 1x 2.5hp
Total investment = 4563

Assume 1hp = 1kw, 2.5hp =2.5kw
Monthly running bill = (3kw x 8 x 30) + (2.5 x 8 x 3) = 720 + 60 = 780 Kw / month * 0.40 (using 40 cent per watt) = RM 312

If run for 24 months = 312 x 24 + 4563 = RM 12051.00
For Inverter
3x 1hp, + 1x 2.5hp
Total investment = 6503

Assume 1hp = 1kw, 2.5hp =2.5kw 
Monthly running bill = (3kw x 8 x 30) + (2.5 x 8 x 3) = 720 + 60 = 780 Kw / month * 0.40 (using 40 cent per watt) = RM 312
(Say 30% saving based on Panasonic website) = RM 312 - 30% = 218.4

If run for 24 months = 218.4 x 24 + 6503 = RM 11744.6
So the saving for 24 months is 306.4

Here some of the things to consider
- Inverter piping are more expensive to install,
- Don't forget, this is as per claim by manufacture, at maximum saving. Which when you set temperature to 23c the saving may not be that much.


So the real saving is maybe after >30 months
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maybe you abit wrong calculate of inverter unit.

for normal 1hp = 640w = 0.64kw this is just only for maximum load for when starting on keep the room cooling.

after few minute ago the temperature is reached on your setting and reduce the maximum power to be Part Load = 180w = 0.18kw x 8 x 30 x 30 sen = Rm13 only for 1hp.

for 1hp
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for 2.5hp
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He he

The inverter Aircon is not need used the lower temp. than 25C.

You can set to 24C, I can gurranty you that whole night is just like stay inside the cooling room & can't sleep as well.

Even me also can't tahan that cold.
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QUOTE(goliath @ Feb 9 2012, 11:19 PM)
I'm planning to change my old air-con soon. Between Panasonic and LG, which should I go for? And what's the street price for inverter air-con now? Thanks for your help. biggrin.gif
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Hi, don't go for panasonic all the part is made from china or indo.

LG maybe much better.

If you don't mind the York interver Y-series,
My wife kampung in Sawarak recently installed before CNY we when back and used if eveynight is given us very impressive of the quiet noise and getting very cold on 4m x 4m wide x 3m height kampung wooden house, we just only chose for 1hp inverter is really can cover all the room & completed installed = Rm1250, maybe here can be find more cheapest.

Cause on York parts is made in m'sia but very durable also, the important thing is parts can be find easily and cheap some more.


Added on February 10, 2012, 10:14 amWhy not chose the Panasonic very nice outlook design.

But outside condenser is too small, used for long-term and very easy get over heat of small coil for ventilation.

So I chose over york is using all daikin parts smile.gif

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QUOTE(2RT7 @ Feb 10 2012, 10:50 AM)
I need to get a 1 Hp aircon. What brand do u guys recommend?
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York inverter - Rating 5
Daikin inverter - Rating 4 cause of too expansive.
Mitsubishi electric inverter - Rating 5
Mitsubishi heavy industry inverter - unknow yet.
Hitachi inverter - Rating - 4 cause is a bit noisy air on level 1 fan speed.

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QUOTE(finestq @ Feb 13 2012, 11:57 PM)
is it ok to put the compressor higher than the air-con? if yes, is there a limit on how high it can goes?
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Hi, you can put the outdoor condenssor higher than indoor fan coil.

Just only can't put at back to back for that piping not easliy to allow you bending to connected from inside to outdoor.

Cause the condenssor someone they install at 2nd floor level, but used in ground floor also can.
Then like that can be hide the ugly look.
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QUOTE(Sawamura @ Feb 14 2012, 04:50 PM)
Many of us got the wrong idea, to my thinking..

Regardless what brand you use, a 24C is always 24C..

There is no such thing xx 24C is cooler than yy 24C

I think what matter most in the selection of aircond is the cooling capacity..

Consider everything from heat load, external heat etc and get the right cooling capacity..

That way you wont overprovide or underdesigned your AC

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I can recommend you install Mitsubishi electric 1.0hp inverter for normal 3x4x3h there is only set at 25c with 1 level fan speed is = your non-inverter 22c.

I can gurranty you no regreted and 21db for level 1 fan speed.

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QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 14 2012, 07:02 PM)
22c non inverter will flipper around + 2c (maybe more not too sure).

25c for inverter will flipper but less than non inverter.  But 25c is still 25c is not same as 22c.

E.g. If i go get myself a inverter fridge, and set it to 1c, ice still melt because is not 0c.  You cannot say inverter 1c = non inverter 0c
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Ha ha how can be fridge to compare the Aircond?

The compressor is totally diff.


Added on February 16, 2012, 7:07 am
QUOTE(weikee @ Feb 8 2012, 10:29 AM)
When i use a/c it must be 23 or lower. To me 24 and above is stuffy, i rather use ventilation + outside air. If 24c can work for all, why inverter a/c allow users to set temperature <20c?
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Yes cause of the gas R410a is much higher presure, can keep it cooler and fast cooling down the room and maintain the same temperature until you switch off.

R22 gas is less presure and wanna take time to cold and once the temp is reach and cut off the compressor to be stop runing and wait the temp detect on your degree C and re-start again.

Who can tahan to hear the compressor on & off and very easy to become the compressor mounting loose with outdoor fan motor also easliy bearing getting noisy.

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QUOTE(heng0830 @ Feb 27 2012, 12:50 PM)
i got 1 panasonic used but still very new last year end of august bought it. panasonic 1hp most basic model. rm500 only cash and carry no installation..im a user. interested pls pm me thanks
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You can put on buy & sell thread smile.gif

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QUOTE(slackinux @ Mar 22 2012, 10:54 PM)
anyone has experience with Hitachi Inverter air cond 1.5 HP ?
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Hitachi a bit boring of noisy air.

Mine had around 2 yrs thinking to change for mitsubishi starmex inverter again.
Quiet, cold, easy clean.
Not like others.


Added on March 23, 2012, 1:19 pm
QUOTE(trisx @ Mar 21 2012, 11:23 PM)
PANASONIC AIR CONDITIONER - PSN-CSS10KKH
1.0 hp
Inverter Technology with Eco Patrol

Im getting it at rm1549 include installation. Is it too pricey?

Btw my room is small and i intend to use for 4-5 hours only. Do i really need inverter or normal aircond would be fine?

Thanks for your advice btw smile.gif
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Panasonic nice looks, but may have upgrade your warranty of care the PCB ke ke.
No brand will do the same smile.gif

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