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post Oct 17 2014, 05:42 PM

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Actually what the different advantages of FL and TL?
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post Oct 17 2014, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 05:42 PM)
Actually what the different advantages of FL and TL?
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TL last longer, cleaner on each wash, safe time, safe money. Torture tested.
FL last shorter, waste time, waste money. Have to treat like a baby.
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 17 2014, 10:06 PM)
TL last longer, cleaner on each wash, safe time, safe money. Torture tested.
FL last shorter, waste time, waste money. Have to treat like a baby.
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sweat.gif Then what the point they created Front Load ? sweat.gif No advantages at all ?
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 11:18 PM)
sweat.gif  Then what the point they created Front Load ?  sweat.gif  No advantages at all ?
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Not really, in this world have many type of people, some willing to pay extra, waste time and boast around that a FL can wash cleaner. Some just want to show off sweat.gif
For me, time = money. Any TL that has less function sure can last 5-10 years even everyday wash in full load, but FL can't do this.
For a FL, if you use quick wash, the detergent still remains after complete the washing cycles. Not to mention it can leak if you always wash with hot water.

This post has been edited by supersound: Oct 17 2014, 11:32 PM
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 17 2014, 11:30 PM)
Not really, in this world have many type of people, some willing to pay extra, waste time and boast around that a FL can wash cleaner. Some just want to show off sweat.gif
For me, time = money. Any TL that has less function sure can last 5-10 years even everyday wash in full load, but FL can't do this.
For a FL, if you use quick wash, the detergent still remains after complete the washing cycles. Not to mention it can leak if you always wash with hot water.
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Then why all the dobby use FL?
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post Oct 18 2014, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(Kicimiao66cc @ Oct 17 2014, 11:59 PM)
Then why all the dobby use FL?
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Is to give people a perception that it is cleaner.
I also using dobby's service on my company's cloths, but never cleaner than I wash whistling.gif
Again, this is something to do with people's mindset, like now people prefer to spend rm14 for a cup of coffee in Starbucks that using all sort of chemicals rather than a coffee shop that selling for rm2 which uses lesser chemicals.
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post Oct 18 2014, 08:50 AM

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post Oct 18 2014, 02:48 PM

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Just like any other things, there are always pros and cons with each type of machines. Let me try to give you an unbiased view on the pros and cons of both types of machines.

FL uses a tumbling action to remove dirt similar to hand washing while TL needs an agitator in the middle. Both do a good job washing your clothes but here are some of the differences.

Front Loaders
Pros:
- uses much less water
- uses less energy since less water to heat up and move around
- has a buildin hot water system
- more gentler on your clothes
- less tangles
- uses less detergent
- more quieter
- space saving - dryer can stack on top. can also be place under your kitchen counter.
- can spin at a higher RPM so that your clothes are dryer

Cons:
- initial cost is higher
- very heavy to move around
- needs to use low suds washing detergent
- cannot add in items once wash cycle has started
- may suffer from poor rinse cycle because of low water and/or too much detergent used
- may have odor and mold due to door's rubber seal not dry. Needs to wipe down the rubber seal to remove moisture after every wash.
- you need to bend down to load and remove your clothes (but remember your dryer is the same way, there are no TL dryer)

Traditional Top Loaders
Pros:
- lower initial cost
- lower capacity due to the middle agitator
- easier to load and remove clothes from the top
- can add in items after wash cycle has started
- better rinse action since more water used

Cons:
- lower priced units may not have hot water system
- uses a lot more water (3 times more than FL)
- uses more energy due to more water and heavier loads
- more wear & tear on your clothes because of the middle agitator
- can be more noisier
- clothes comes out all tangled

HE Top Loaders with no agitators
Pros:
- bigger capacity for the buck
- more gentler on your clothes since there is no agitator
- uses less water
- uses less detergent
- uses less energy

Cons:
- does not wash as clean since there is no agitator or FL's tumbling action
- a bit more expensive - can cost as high as some FL
- needs low suds detergent
- tangled clothes

This post has been edited by idoblu: Oct 18 2014, 05:29 PM
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:21 PM

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btw last time got this Brandt washing machine that loads from the top but the drum is positioned like FL
http://www.gilman-group.com/index.php?opti...tart=10&lang=en
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 18 2014, 07:01 AM)
Is to give people a perception that it is cleaner.
I also using dobby's service on my company's cloths, but never cleaner than I wash whistling.gif
Again, this is something to do with people's mindset, like now people prefer to spend rm14 for a cup of coffee in Starbucks that using all sort of chemicals rather than a coffee shop that selling for rm2 which uses lesser chemicals.
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:36 PM

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From the American guide, Consumer Reports:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/washing...uying-guide.htm

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Traditional top-loading washers
These machines fill their tubs with water and an agitator circulates the laundry much the way it did on earlier models.

Pros:
They're the least expensive overall. Loading these washers or adding items in mid-cycle is easier than in machines without an agitator.

Cons:
These perform the least impressively as a group and because they use more water and extract less than high-efficiency top-loaders and front-loaders, dryer times are longer, increasing energy use. Traditional top-loaders hold about 12 to 16 pounds of laundry. Most are relatively noisy and their loads can become unbalanced.

High-efficiency top-loading washers
These use a variety of methods to lift and tumble the laundry. They fill only partly, so they use less water, and spin at higher speeds. They work best with low-foaming, high-efficiency detergent.

Pros:
Most high-efficiency top-loaders hold more laundry (17 to 28 pounds) than regular top-loaders and typically wash better. The higher spin speed reduces dryer time and energy consumption by extracting more water.

Cons:
The high-speed spin can tangle and wrinkle clothing, and while prices have dropped these still cost more than traditional top-loaders and can cost as much as front-loaders. Manufacturers have increased capacities so that you can wash more laundry less often. One way to increase capacity is to make the tub deeper, and some washers are also taller now, making it difficult for shorter people to retrieve laundry at the bottom of the tub. When shopping reach into the washer. If you need tongs to grab a sock, consider another model.

Washing waterproof or water-resistant items in some HE top-loaders may cause the load to become unbalanced, and that can cause excessive shaking and possible damage. Before choosing a model check the manual. A low-spin or no-spin mode may be recommended; Samsung added a Waterproof cycle to its HE top-loaders and we found it prevented the washer from becoming unbalanced when we washed several waterproof jackets.


Front-loading washers
These also fill only partly with water. They clean clothes by lifting them to the top of the tub and dropping them back into the water and work best with low-foaming, high-efficiency detergent. Front-loaders lock at the beginning of a cycle but can usually be opened by interrupting the cycle.

Pros:
The best front-loaders typically clean better and more efficiently than the best high-efficiency top-loaders. Most can handle roughly 17 to 28-pound loads and spin even faster than high-efficiency top-loaders. Typically that means more water is extracted, reducing drying time and energy consumption. As a group front-loaders tend to be very quiet. Many can be stacked with a dryer to save floor space.

Cons:
Front-loaders tend to cost more than high-efficiency top-loaders. A front-loader's high spin speeds might vibrate too much for the machine to be placed near living areas. While most manufacturers have reduced the vibrations, keep in mind that concrete floors can absorb vibrations well, unlike wood-framed floors.

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post Oct 18 2014, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 11:18 PM)
sweat.gif  Then what the point they created Front Load ?  sweat.gif  No advantages at all ?
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Then why laundry biz use the front load washing machije?
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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 18 2014, 03:34 PM)
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I'm not sure why he is ranting about Starbucks having chemicals in their coffee while somehow the kopitiams have less chemicals hmm.gif
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:54 PM

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Yes, you are right, like outside the Lot10 I'm getting FOC exhaust gas that can cause cancer thumbup.gif
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post Oct 20 2014, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 18 2014, 03:21 PM)
btw last time got this Brandt washing machine that loads from the top but the drum is positioned like FL
http://www.gilman-group.com/index.php?opti...tart=10&lang=en
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They call this something like hybrid top loader. Spins like front loader and uses less water. The advantage of putting in clothes while washing is retained like a top loader. They are quite popular on HK. See here.
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post Oct 20 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
Just like any other things, there are always pros and cons with each type of machines. Let me try to give you an unbiased view on the pros and cons of both types of machines.

FL uses a tumbling action to remove dirt similar to hand washing while TL needs an agitator in the middle. Both do a good job washing your clothes but here are some of the differences.

Front Loaders
Pros:
- uses much less water
- uses less energy since less water to heat up and move around
- has a buildin hot water system
- more gentler on your clothes
- less tangles
- uses less detergent
- more quieter
- space saving - dryer can stack on top. can also be place under your kitchen counter.
- can spin at a higher RPM so that your clothes are dryer

Cons:
- initial cost is higher
- very heavy to move around
- needs to use low suds washing detergent
- cannot add in items once wash cycle has started
- may suffer from poor rinse cycle because of low water and/or too much detergent used
- may have odor and mold due to door's rubber seal not dry. Needs to wipe down the rubber seal to remove moisture after every wash.
- you need to bend down to load and remove your clothes (but remember your dryer is the same way, there are no TL dryer)

Traditional Top Loaders
Pros:
- lower initial cost
- lower capacity due to the middle agitator
- easier to load and remove clothes from the top
- can add in items after wash cycle has started
- better rinse action since more water used

Cons:
- lower priced units may not have hot water system
- uses a lot more water (3 times more than FL)
- uses more energy due to more water and heavier loads
- more wear & tear on your clothes because of the middle agitator
- can be more noisier
- clothes comes out all tangled

HE Top Loaders with no agitators
Pros:
- bigger capacity for the buck
- more gentler on your clothes since there is no agitator
- uses less water
- uses less detergent
- uses less energy

Cons:
- does not wash as clean since there is no agitator or FL's tumbling action
- a bit more expensive - can cost as high as some FL
- needs low suds detergent
- tangled clothes
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A FL WM that stating 10KG, actual load are about 8-9KG, unlike TL can work as rated weight.
A 10KG FL using about 800-900W of power(rated power consumption at the back) while a 13KG TL only using 520W. Some maths here indicate that, 1KG/100W for a FL while 1KG/40W for a TL. So a clean FL full load wash takes 2 hours = 1.8 unit of power while TL need 1 hour max for a full load wash, 0.5 unit a day.
For a 10KG load of laundry, FL need to wash twice, so about 3 units of power, 30 days need 90 units, TL only need 20 units of power. Which consume more power?
For a country that having humidity of >80% all the time, using low sud detergent are not a good idea especially for people that always sweat alot.
Not to mention reliability between both of them, a simple design TL only need to take of the belt and IC while FL need to take care of the rubber seal, the door locking mechanism and alignment of the WM.
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 20 2014, 01:48 PM)
For a country that having humidity of >80% all the time, using low sud detergent are not a good idea especially for people that always sweat alot.
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? How come?
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:12 PM

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The smell after wash, especially if using dryer.
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 20 2014, 02:12 PM)
The smell after wash, especially if using dryer.
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i thought any detergent will have that fragrance whether air dried or put in dryer.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:18 PM)
i thought any detergent will have that fragrance whether air dried or put in dryer.
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For the past 3 years I only buy Top comparing to last time buying Breeze or FAB, just because the smell brows.gif
Now almost everyday rain, you should able to notice the difference.

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