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mywii
post Nov 7 2012, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 6 2012, 12:36 PM)
Only the motor, not the others parts like power, control panel, roller etc. just like AC compressor is 7 years but faulty seldom come from compressor.
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Thats my concern but for 1300 can last 5 years no problem already happy la...


Added on November 7, 2012, 5:35 pm
QUOTE(PJusa @ Nov 7 2012, 05:15 PM)
they dont drip after a 1200 RPM spin but still are a bit damp/moist. even in this weather can just hang to dry and next day OK. they are a lot (!!) drier than with 700 RPM. day and night. 700 RPM have to hang 2 day or more with the current weather.
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can spin 2 times or not and that's equal to 1400rpm...

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Hi there, has anyone use LG washer with 6 motion technology? Try youtube and you see what I mean tongue.gif Very tempted with the unique washing ability, I wonder it encourage better cleaning? Any comment for those who own this? LG Malaysia website has posted these tech for front load washer (before this only for washer/dryer combo, and top-load washer only), but still not available in all the shops I visit.

Anyway, not sure if it is just me, or has anyone notice that Electrolux, Bosch, Beko, so called branded and No.1 in Europe only come in very basic model for similar pricing of Korean washer? i.e. Samsung, LG, Panasonic, Sharp?

I tried to google for online review of these brand from UK, US, and they have move to electronic control, i.e. more washing program, electronic decoder with LCD, etc; while our local model (those entry level priced at RM2k, only come with variant of mechanical dial and push-button.

Is M'sia is fast becoming a dump site for discontinue/out-phase product?
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post Nov 13 2012, 07:29 PM

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QUOTE(Aurora @ Nov 12 2012, 12:00 AM)
Hi there, has anyone use LG washer with 6 motion technology? Try youtube and you see what I mean tongue.gif Very tempted with the unique washing ability, I wonder it encourage better cleaning? Any comment for those who own this? LG Malaysia website has posted these tech for front load washer (before this only for washer/dryer combo, and top-load washer only), but still not available in all the shops I visit.

Anyway, not sure if it is just me, or has anyone notice that Electrolux, Bosch, Beko, so called branded and No.1 in Europe only come in very basic model for similar pricing of Korean washer? i.e. Samsung, LG, Panasonic, Sharp?

I tried to google for online review of these brand from UK, US, and they have move to electronic control, i.e. more washing program, electronic decoder with LCD, etc; while our local model (those entry level priced at RM2k, only come with variant of mechanical dial and push-button.

Is M'sia is fast becoming a dump site for discontinue/out-phase product?
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With white goods like washing machine, the one fact you need to understand is that in the old days, they last long. Even if one bearing konk they still wash albeit the sound they make. Just replace the bearing. Even the program timers in washers are mechanical albeit operating by electricity.

The newer generation contains more electronics. But over here there's one constant element the washing machine faces: humidity. And very high at that all year round. Most electronics have an operating parameter for the humidity range they operate in. Exceed that range, the electronics tend to go "sot-sot-tei" (Cantonese for haywire). Hence mechanical washing machines are less likely to fail although humidity tends to accelerate rusting and wear and tear of the bearings. Two things that humidity affects - heat dissipation of electronic components and tendency to short circuit. The first is the reason why in a broken lift with no fan, people tend to feel faint because it's humid. If a human being can faint from that condition, what more an electrinc component failiing because heat cannot dissipate efficiently. That's why computer rooms are kept "dry" (lower humidity) so that heat can dissipate with less risk of frying electronics. The second is with high humidity levels, as the temperature drops, dew point (kabus or embun) is reached. Imagine temperature in washing machine approaching dew point (long after a high temperature wash 60-90deg, as the high temperature drops back to room) on a PCB board. You now have an insight as to why electronics tend to fail at a relatively higher rate in higher humidity zones.

After picking the criteria from the features. Yes the LG does look attractive, but if you live in condos, water metering is also a factor since bulk metering will tend to cost more than individual metering. Hence those who use front load at the same frequency of wash will use less water and pay less compared to a top loader.

So if all newer washers/dryers contain more electronics and our weather is humid all year round, the question now becomes which brand has:
1. an aftersales and services presence acceptably near you
2. is easier to get parts
3. faster in service turnaround
4. parts are cheaper to replace?

Do the homework by asking the sales guys and from there pick and choose.

I have a 6 year old Malaysian assembled brand using European parts that had 2 failures after the 4th year. One was due to overloading by a maid. The other was due to lightning strike to the back of the home. The first hadn't had much damage but the serviceman came within half-a-day, looked at it and told us to balance the washing. No parts to replace but problem resolved. Field service cost RM70. The other was a fried condenser filter (prevents electromagnetic interference (EMI) from affecting any electronics like radio while washing machine in spinning cycle). The other part that fried was the door lock mechanism. Cost Rm120 plus RM70 labour. But the washer is mostly mechanical. Back then it was considered a bargain when most 6kg washers cost RM2000 on average but of course now the price has dropped. Due to local appliance company no longer in this line of business, if the next problem arises most likely will have to buy a new one. But the criteria above could be something along the line in deciding but our comfort zone/risk attractiveness factor may vary.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Nov 13 2012, 07:32 PM
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post Nov 23 2012, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 13 2012, 07:29 PM)
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hi halcyon27,

I do agreed what u had said, I'm looking for a washing machine budget ard 1k-1.7k roughly here.. Can u recommend me some model or can u tell me which model u r using? so i can start to google more info on the specific model and it will helps me to narrow down my search. Can u favor my question? thank you so much!! thumbup.gif

Or anyone out there can favor my question above to help me narrow my search? thank you!! thumbup.gif

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post Nov 26 2012, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(skydrake @ Nov 23 2012, 10:50 PM)
hi halcyon27,

I do agreed what u had said, I'm looking for a washing machine budget ard 1k-1.7k roughly here.. Can u recommend me some model or can u tell me which model u r using? so i can start to google more info on the specific model and it will helps me to narrow down my search. Can u favor my question? thank you so much!!  thumbup.gif

Or anyone out there can favor my question above to help me narrow my search? thank you!!  thumbup.gif
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Hi Skydrake,

I'm using Europa Wash well EWF993. Very sturdy work horse and 1000rpm leaves the clothes to dry faster within a day under zinc roof.

Besides the budget you quoted what's your preference ie front or top load and the dimension limitation imposed by your laundry area?

That price range you quoted covers anything from Elba or Electrolux but may only cover for 5-6kg and at most if you're lucky a 7kg for a front load.

For a top load it goes from 7-10+ kg. Add a couple hundred more it could be 12-13 kg.

This post has been edited by halcyon27: Nov 26 2012, 02:35 AM
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post Nov 26 2012, 09:45 AM

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2 x 700 spins is not equal to 1x1400 - that's a HUGE difference. the force for a 1400 spin is way higher (and the stress to the fabric). since the spinning force is so much higher you can spin out much much more water. its not as simple as an addition.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Nov 26 2012, 02:33 AM)
Hi Skydrake,

I'm using Europa Wash well EWF993. Very sturdy work horse and 1000rpm leaves the clothes to dry faster within a day under zinc roof.

Besides the budget you quoted what's your preference ie front or top load and the dimension limitation imposed by your laundry area?

That price range you quoted covers anything from Elba or Electrolux but may only cover for 5-6kg and at most if you're lucky a 7kg for a front load.

For a top load it goes from 7-10+ kg. Add a couple hundred more it could be 12-13 kg.
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Hi halcyon27,

Thank you for much for replying me your valuable information. With your information here will definitely narrow down my search. Thank you so much! notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(skydrake @ Nov 27 2012, 11:18 PM)
Hi halcyon27,

Thank you for much for replying me your valuable information. With your information here will definitely narrow down my search. Thank you so much!  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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icekelvin
post Dec 6 2012, 04:20 PM

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Hi All,

Has anyone used Panasonic front load washing machine? Mind share your experience with me? Thought to invest in NA-140VG3 10kg for 2k++. Thank you.


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post Dec 11 2012, 12:14 AM

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icekelvin: check out the panasonic VX3 model.... worth the extra buck
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post Dec 19 2012, 04:55 PM

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any ideal where to get Miele front load washing machine?
been google around , got few good review with this brand.
another other recommend for front loaded washing machine
which is good to go LG,Samsung,Electolux,Beko,Panasonic
Budget below rm2.5k

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post Dec 20 2012, 02:09 AM

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For miele, you can go to Solaris in Mont Kiara, its near the IRD area.... btw, just prepare to budget 10k for the washing machine....
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thanks lazzy_dogg for d info.
rm10k, that will be a skip for me
anyone know which Moto Panasonic NA-148VG3 using?
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anyone used panasonic NA-F90G3/NA-F100G3 before? any feedbacks?
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post Dec 20 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(chickenducksoup @ Dec 19 2012, 04:55 PM)
any ideal where to get Miele front load washing machine?
been google around , got few good review with this brand.
another other recommend for front loaded washing machine
which is good to go LG,Samsung,Electolux,Beko,Panasonic
Budget below rm2.5k
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For European brand like Beko, Bosch, fagor... you can try to check it out with this website Malaysia's Largest Online Appliance Retailer . Hope it can help u abit.

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post Dec 26 2012, 03:52 AM

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which 1 wash cloth more clean?
Front loaded or top loaded?

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post Dec 26 2012, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(chickenducksoup @ Dec 26 2012, 03:52 AM)
which 1 wash cloth more clean?
Front loaded or top loaded?

thansk
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question should be which one don't ruin clothes as much after spin biggrin.gif

wash clean depends also on detergent used. most machines does the job pretty well.

It's a matter of whether one likes how it does the job. Front load uses less water typically than top load though the newer top load models has gained in this area. But front load definitely are gentler in spin. The higher rpms of 1000 and above make drying a cinch since lots of water are wrung out. Some are of opinion that the higher spin rates ruin clothes but our mileage may vary.


Added on December 26, 2012, 10:27 amOne type of washers not seen here but seem to be common in Hong Kong is the 45cm and 60cm wide hybrid top load front spin washing machine much like the Staber from the US. Clothes are inserted and taken out much like a top load but the drum is positioned much like a front load. The 45cm wide hybrid is because space is a premium and some configuration of laundry/dry room cannot fit a 60cm.

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This is one example of a hybrid top loading front spinning washer.
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The inside before opening the latch.
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View of the drum after opening the latch
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A useful accesory for cramped spaces where it is common to share dishwasher and washing machine or washer/dryer combo. The Y adapter.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 26 2012, 10:24 AM)
question should be which one don't ruin clothes as much after spin  biggrin.gif
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Why spinning ruin clothes ?? hmm.gif Can any one explain the logic behind it ?

I thought 90% of the ruins happens during washing when the clothes touches each other ?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 26 2012, 08:06 PM)
Why spinning ruin clothes ??  hmm.gif Can any one explain the logic behind it ?

I thought 90% of the ruins happens during washing when the clothes touches each other ?
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does protector net helps? hmm.gif

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