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post Oct 9 2014, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 9 2014, 12:37 PM)
Well utilized yes. If you work in O&G, ya it justifies that kind of usage esp 4 ppl on shifts so the machine will work 4 times a day. I'm referring back to your posting. It dawned to me why so frequent. Even if not fully loaded, the point is even springs and other things are rated for how many millions or hundred thousands compression and decompression. I mentioned  here that the standard tests used to measure how efficient the wm are is based on a 220 wash cycle/year.

4 washes per day for 365 days = 1460 washes per year.
This exceeds the standard by = 1460 /220 =6.64 times.

Ie, the WM in the villa is doing a 6 and half year wash cycle vs the standard's 220 wash cycle in one year. In 2 years it's done 13 years worth of washing already vs the standard's wash cycle. Talk about accelerated wear. So I have to take that statement with a pinch of salt in light of how it's being used.
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Chemical suits are wash by company, we only wash our normal T-shirts and underwear. So is quite hard to have full load, most of the time about 30% load.
I assuming that 220 cycles are based on full load, if run on 30% load, it is only 2 times a day. Still failed on reliability whistling.gif
By your calculations, then my Hitachi already completed 4380 cycles and that's 19.9 times with most of the time running on full 10KG load.
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post Oct 9 2014, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 9 2014, 07:01 PM)
Any thoughts on LG WD-SR1709VM?

edit: Raining so often here. Haven't had any chance to do any laundry.  cry.gif
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use Top detergent, but don't wash jeans or kaki type of cloth.
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post Oct 9 2014, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 9 2014, 07:31 PM)
The humidity from the rain is preventing any of the clothes from drying.
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Is it? Mine never have any problem on drying.
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post Oct 9 2014, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 9 2014, 08:42 PM)
It's raining cats and dogs here. Every 30 minutes or so. It'll drizzle slightly between downpours. Never gone this long without doing any laundry due to this kind of weather condition. Then again, climate change is happening.
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That's why I never use dryer to dry any laundry. I'll just use wind dry.
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post Oct 9 2014, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 9 2014, 08:47 PM)
I line dry my clothes, which is exactly why I can't do any laundry because of this torrential rain.
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After every wash, you should be using the WM's spin to spin extra 1-2 times. It can help.
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post Oct 9 2014, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 9 2014, 08:53 PM)
I might try that. I have a very big fan to blow wind at my laundry to speed up the drying process. Doesn't work in this kind of weather.
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I only use ceiling fan to dry.
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post Oct 11 2014, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 11 2014, 08:53 AM)
My WW8000 washer after hit up 40 cycle an need to clean  drum for every 40 cycle, how bout your kimchi?
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No instruction to do so. Only low quality product need to do this, do that.
Cleaning drum waste a lot of water and power. Again, you just prove that front loader are good on this and not saving like you said before.

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post Oct 14 2014, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Oct 14 2014, 08:52 AM)
after much consideration, finally decide to get Panasonic 14kg top load with econavi inverter.

anyone using it? any last comment before i buy it?  notworthy.gif
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Panasonic all the parts are made in China. Reliability is a question.
Try Hitachi, but choose the model with basic functions, with inverter motor but not "econavi". Unless you are prepared to change the circuit board every now and then.

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post Oct 14 2014, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Oct 14 2014, 09:22 AM)
all hitachi part is fully japan made is it ?
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This the seller never says. But 8.5 years ago when I'm sourcing for WM(shop A), they also asked me to take Hitachi and it proven to work till now but with some problems on alignment.
And on Sunday(shop B), again the seller says the same thing.

QUOTE(fkinmeng @ Oct 14 2014, 09:23 AM)
doh.gif need do more research then.
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As a Panasonic die hard fan, this makes me wonder to get a Panasonic WM or stick to Hitachi.
Again, getting WM will less fancy functions sure will last long. After all, it still pour water, spin, drain. But FL do have dancing functions like what my company gives us in the villa. It only need 2 years to have this function.
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post Oct 14 2014, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(g88 @ Oct 14 2014, 09:54 AM)
nowadays warranty period proven its reliability - where all maker more of less have same among of warranty period e.g 10-12 years compressor warranty...

next would be design/feature and price....

some ppl started to have hitachi, pana, toshiba fridge during their kid era hence this created a 'brand' to their heart....

sometime really got to dare to try new thing bit tongue.gif....
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All only warranty the motor, nobody offer extended warranty on circuit boards.
I do agree with you on trying new things, that's why I being kicked to Middle East to try new electric appliances. All are from the most popular Kimchi brand in Malaysia. But they have prove to me that, stick to Japs.
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post Oct 16 2014, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(RedDevils88 @ Oct 16 2014, 02:09 PM)
any feedback on this washing panasonic washing machine?
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-...s/na-f75b3.html
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Get 10-12KG will be more practical, 7.5KG won't able to wash big stuffs(bed sheet).
Still you have to decide your self, what is the typical load you will be doing daily.
BTW, try Hitachi if possible.
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post Oct 16 2014, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(akmalarif @ Oct 16 2014, 04:33 PM)
Any take on Toshiba TL? specifically model AW-DC1300WM
Been eyeing this @ Jintex. Very reasonable price.  rclxms.gif
But not sure about the quality offered by Toshiba.

Still undecided whether to go for Kimchi or Japs.  rclxub.gif
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Kimchi recent track record already proven : to be failed fast.

QUOTE(wdarke @ Oct 16 2014, 06:09 PM)
Japanese love their top loaders. Front loaders are more an European thing.
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Japanese are known to be very efficient on doing everything.
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post Oct 17 2014, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 05:42 PM)
Actually what the different advantages of FL and TL?
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TL last longer, cleaner on each wash, safe time, safe money. Torture tested.
FL last shorter, waste time, waste money. Have to treat like a baby.
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post Oct 17 2014, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Oct 17 2014, 11:18 PM)
sweat.gif  Then what the point they created Front Load ?  sweat.gif  No advantages at all ?
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Not really, in this world have many type of people, some willing to pay extra, waste time and boast around that a FL can wash cleaner. Some just want to show off sweat.gif
For me, time = money. Any TL that has less function sure can last 5-10 years even everyday wash in full load, but FL can't do this.
For a FL, if you use quick wash, the detergent still remains after complete the washing cycles. Not to mention it can leak if you always wash with hot water.

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post Oct 18 2014, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(Kicimiao66cc @ Oct 17 2014, 11:59 PM)
Then why all the dobby use FL?
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Is to give people a perception that it is cleaner.
I also using dobby's service on my company's cloths, but never cleaner than I wash whistling.gif
Again, this is something to do with people's mindset, like now people prefer to spend rm14 for a cup of coffee in Starbucks that using all sort of chemicals rather than a coffee shop that selling for rm2 which uses lesser chemicals.
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post Oct 18 2014, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Oct 18 2014, 03:34 PM)
Starbucks we buy the cozy place ma to biz meeting and study
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Yes, you are right, like outside the Lot10 I'm getting FOC exhaust gas that can cause cancer thumbup.gif
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post Oct 20 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
Just like any other things, there are always pros and cons with each type of machines. Let me try to give you an unbiased view on the pros and cons of both types of machines.

FL uses a tumbling action to remove dirt similar to hand washing while TL needs an agitator in the middle. Both do a good job washing your clothes but here are some of the differences.

Front Loaders
Pros:
- uses much less water
- uses less energy since less water to heat up and move around
- has a buildin hot water system
- more gentler on your clothes
- less tangles
- uses less detergent
- more quieter
- space saving - dryer can stack on top. can also be place under your kitchen counter.
- can spin at a higher RPM so that your clothes are dryer

Cons:
- initial cost is higher
- very heavy to move around
- needs to use low suds washing detergent
- cannot add in items once wash cycle has started
- may suffer from poor rinse cycle because of low water and/or too much detergent used
- may have odor and mold due to door's rubber seal not dry. Needs to wipe down the rubber seal to remove moisture after every wash.
- you need to bend down to load and remove your clothes (but remember your dryer is the same way, there are no TL dryer)

Traditional Top Loaders
Pros:
- lower initial cost
- lower capacity due to the middle agitator
- easier to load and remove clothes from the top
- can add in items after wash cycle has started
- better rinse action since more water used

Cons:
- lower priced units may not have hot water system
- uses a lot more water (3 times more than FL)
- uses more energy due to more water and heavier loads
- more wear & tear on your clothes because of the middle agitator
- can be more noisier
- clothes comes out all tangled

HE Top Loaders with no agitators
Pros:
- bigger capacity for the buck
- more gentler on your clothes since there is no agitator
- uses less water
- uses less detergent
- uses less energy

Cons:
- does not wash as clean since there is no agitator or FL's tumbling action
- a bit more expensive - can cost as high as some FL
- needs low suds detergent
- tangled clothes
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A FL WM that stating 10KG, actual load are about 8-9KG, unlike TL can work as rated weight.
A 10KG FL using about 800-900W of power(rated power consumption at the back) while a 13KG TL only using 520W. Some maths here indicate that, 1KG/100W for a FL while 1KG/40W for a TL. So a clean FL full load wash takes 2 hours = 1.8 unit of power while TL need 1 hour max for a full load wash, 0.5 unit a day.
For a 10KG load of laundry, FL need to wash twice, so about 3 units of power, 30 days need 90 units, TL only need 20 units of power. Which consume more power?
For a country that having humidity of >80% all the time, using low sud detergent are not a good idea especially for people that always sweat alot.
Not to mention reliability between both of them, a simple design TL only need to take of the belt and IC while FL need to take care of the rubber seal, the door locking mechanism and alignment of the WM.
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:09 PM)
? How come?
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The smell after wash, especially if using dryer.
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:18 PM)
i thought any detergent will have that fragrance whether air dried or put in dryer.
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For the past 3 years I only buy Top comparing to last time buying Breeze or FAB, just because the smell brows.gif
Now almost everyday rain, you should able to notice the difference.
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post Oct 20 2014, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 20 2014, 02:26 PM)
I use Max Kleen 9 and Kao Attack before but they aren't smelly. But how long does your laundry normally dry after hanging on sunny, cloudy and rainy days? In my circumstance, since the drying area is sheltered from the rain and there's moving air becuase of extractor fan on rainy days, it usually takes 4-8 hours to dry. Much less is sunny.
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Mine are open area, so take lesser time than yours. If rainy then I just air dry it.
Kao Attack I used before also, but because of the price and my wife over use it, so I don't it anymore.

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