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post Oct 6 2014, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 5 2014, 10:10 PM)
May I know what brand and model you're using?
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Samsung 6.5kg.
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post Oct 6 2014, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 5 2014, 10:12 PM)
You are wrong side, from what i big jump over front loader has save more water.

Top loader used more water and shorter duration time for completed job vs front loader take 1 hour and 20mins but really used lesser water and more cleaning than top loader.
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How much the front loader you bought? I know sometimes you like to take higher end front loader to compare to an old school top loader, just to show how superior your front loader are.
But I know how to survey also, a rm3+++ electrolux(8KG) using about 7l per KG, which a rm14++ Panasonic(13KG) also doing the same.
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post Oct 6 2014, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(OneMoreDay @ Oct 6 2014, 01:05 AM)
There really isn't a need to get personal here. The front loading washer isn't working for you,supersound, but it's working for kimsim. No one's strictly wrong or right. There are clear differences between the two types and they serve different needs for different individuals living in different environments.
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Because he is misleading people over here. So need to clear this. Now a decent top loader can safe more water and clean better than front loader.
Difference between me and him is I'm providing objective numbers while he is providing subjective view.
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post Oct 6 2014, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 6 2014, 02:56 PM)
Bro Kimsim, beside the door problem, any others reason? Ecobubble or design look cool~~
Because now I comparing between samsung ww8000 and hitachi BD-W85TV .....ww8000 more noise then BD-W85TV

As samsung customer service reply for the dB:
With regards to your query, the noise level for the wash and spin cycles (WW12H8420EW) are 52 dB and 72 dB respectively.

For hitachi BD-W85TV :
Noise Level (dB: Wash)46
Noise Level (dB: Spin)67

Beside that, I still thinking about the Ecobubble wash cool for Samsung or hot water for Hitachi.......

Bro and sifu sifu here can give some suggestion?
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All WM when used > 2 years will be noisier especially everyday high load.
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post Oct 6 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 6 2014, 02:54 PM)
ha ha my working long pant, mostly has left some tissue paper inside of my pant wallet.. if previous using top loaded then died already kena scold for my wife.. the tissue paper chip become smaller pieces and sticks whole WM and mixed with other cloths else.. after used front loader has not an issue the tissue paper become stick inside my wallet and still whole piece and never broken at all..

technology wise front loaded was win...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Now I understand why I need to wash my laundry twice if using quickwash and once if using other option that need 2 hours, because it is not efficient at all, thanks to enlighten me on this thumbup.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(dayalan86 @ Oct 6 2014, 03:34 PM)
Front loader quick wash, is not a full fledged wash cycle. On my Panasonic there is a rapid 15 min wash for 2kg of clothes only (Although the machine is rated for 10kg) and the quick 50 mins wash cycle is for 5kg of clothes only. Different cycle has different capacity, you need to read the manual of your washing machine to understand.

So far we have had nothing but front loaders, and never had much issue with them. The 1st machine own by my parents lasted for about 15 years before the bearing died, and their replacement machine lasted for 11 years when the mechanical timer died and the motor was starting to seize up (this machine was well abused throughout its lifespan as we mostly overloaded it than its rated capacity of 5.5kg) and finally I purchased the Panasonic to replace the last front loader.

The Panasonic and Hitachi were among the first to come out with large diameter opening front loaders, for easier loading and unloading of clothes and this machine definitely cleaned better than the previous two machines we had.

Top loaders do finish the laundry cycles faster, but at the same time they can be very rough and not necessarily clean. Water savings was not the only reason I got a front loader but due to the availability of hot water wash as well, which comes in handy when you want to wash bath / tea towels in hot water.

I am comparing the wash cycle to my brother's Electrolux top loader (which is not all that fast either and has clunky noises while operating) and also a Sharp (very fast wash cycles but tangles up clothes and makes it difficult to unload, damages undergarments due to overstretched while washing) top loader which I used while I was renting.

Early Samsung front loading machine were problematic, not sure if they still are though but so far I am happy with the Panasonic FL. Buying a front loading machine just for the sake of saving water is not a valid reason but in the long run it saves me from buying new clothes very so often, and inverter motor in top loading / front loading machines makes a very big difference in the washing ability of the machine.
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Yup, maybe, but for this 4 months of using front loader on the various functions and timing the water usage, this Samsung 6.5KG that only wash half load is using way more than my old school 10KG Hitachi 10KG when on full load after average out. Samsung using about 120l of water for 2KG wash since I need to wash it twice using quick wash, while my Hitachi uses about 240l of water for 8KG wash. So 1KG = 30l of water while Samsung 1KG = 60l of water.
BTW, this Samsung also generate tissue debris when using quick wash, unlike someone mention it never.
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post Oct 7 2014, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(silver88 @ Oct 6 2014, 11:52 PM)
Because of many choices so hard to choose the correct one.....WM if lucky need stay with me for 10-15 year so need to choose the suit one......
For ww9000 really look cool but the function plus minus only with ww8000 and the price double really kill

Just worry about samsung stuff look nice but not long lasting......
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Don't worry too much on Kimchi's stuffs, these recent few years they are proven to make a big hole on your wallet thumbup.gif
If you are going to use it close to its limit all the time, Japanese brands still the better brand to consider.
Like in Middle East, during this summer season, I'm turning on the air cond 7/24. All the air conds over here are changed once every 3 years as beyond repair. But the Japs brand last longer, about 5 years. Because of pricing different and in Middle East they are following Jib Gor's concept : I help you, you help me. So the "cheapest" buying price always come first.
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post Oct 7 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 7 2014, 09:58 AM)
You won't regret a Hitachi Big Drum front loader. Clothes washing wise, it fills the tub with water first to rinse then the it fills water into the soap dispenser. The wash comes out softer and dryer (lesser residual moisture). The added bonus is tub clean program.

The spin even at 67dB is not even a muffled air plane whine. It's more like low pitch 'mmmm' kind of sound that's not noticeable unless you're within 6ft in front. One of my favourite use is when coming back from overseas and then doing 3 loads in 45 mins using 15min quick wash and then drying everything up. All done within 1 hour.

If you use hot wash 60-90deg yes it will consume more energy for water heating. Most of my washes are at 40 degrees. But if cold wash then it avoids that but at the cost of a longer wash cycle. The inverter motor is quite up to task.
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Softer are because of detergent and softener used whistling.gif
Nothing to do much with WM.
If want to compare, use the fastest spin speed to wash. When I using the Samsung FL and spin at 400rpm, it do softer but not dry. If spin at 1000rpm, it is dryer but not soft.
Detergent not properly removed during wash also resulting to softer laundry.
Now the Samsung FL spin at max speed are at 85dB, standing 10ft away, 1ft away reaching 90-95dB depending on load. Not to mention it dance every now and then when the load is >50%.
Someone here mentioned that it is more gentle as gravity force pull the laundry down, but this is wrong thinking. It drop at the wrong time causing the whole WM to dance.
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post Oct 7 2014, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 7 2014, 11:46 AM)
imbalance load bro?
most front load doesnt comes with load sensor....

always experience this when washing many jeans together where they tied themselves in the WM, so goes the dancing WM. bedsheet, towel even pillows does this too  laugh.gif
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Yup, that's right, front loader fails on heavy load washing. That's why we can send this company provided WM within 2 years to trash.
Washing normal T-shirt is ok. Put some jeans, bed sheet means we will go out for dinner first. Because it is too noisy and very irritating when it start jumping.
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post Oct 7 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 7 2014, 11:57 AM)
TRUE STORY BRO.

first time wash small pillow. got shocked and straight pull plug. lol  doh.gif  doh.gif
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That's why I won't buy any FL for home usage. Cannot wash heavy load but have to pay premium price for it doh.gif
Is like buying a high end Lexus sedan and using it on desert. End up you need to push the car out from sand whistling.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 8 2014, 01:20 AM)
Personally, I still prefer FL tho... contradict right, yet FL do wash better. and uses less water.
So, i would not jam pack the washer  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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For me, I buy something that should be fit for purpose, else I won't buy.
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post Oct 8 2014, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 8 2014, 07:07 AM)
Somehow my purpose is to wash nicely, and save water.  laugh.gif
Just being logic, dont wash all heavy denim once is just a new laundry practice. That's it.
The benefits out weight the bads, IMO.

Just my two cents  rclxms.gif
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Certain things we can control but certain things we can't. Like controlling what a family wearing is not possible but buying a "worker" is possible.
I won't let a worker control what I like to do.
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post Oct 8 2014, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:09 PM)
Agree on principle. It has to suit to one household and not the other way round.

However the imbalanced spin issue is now a thing of the past with newer FL anti vibration and load balancing tech:
LG calls it TrueBalance Anti Vibration System
Hitachi calls it 4 or 5 ply Load Balancer
Samsung calls it Vibration Reduction Technology (VRT)

Panasonic is more of a load balance sensor and will avoid "destructive" types out of balance. Some users may experience washer not spinning issues or spin at lower speeds. Bathmats are suspects.
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Yesterday spent some extra time on looking at how a FL spin, with 1KG load, 3KG load.
It is dropping all the time at 10° from top, low load it is still ok.
But when on higher load, it is dropping to the bottom laundry. The load all the time at the bottom, which is a stress to the motor, this can explain why a top loader can last long even washing on max load all the time comparing to a front loader.
Noise level also changed from low load to high load.
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post Oct 8 2014, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:20 PM)
That to me is a thing of the past with what I mentioned. On old front load washers yes the stress is there. Even in newer front load washer, the load will still imbalance but the destructive effect is negated by the load balancing tech built into it.
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In some sense yes. But then those counter measures can help in the beginning but not after few years. Most of the time they are using rubber.
The only way is still make it stick to the tube for equal load.
When talk about equal load, my top loader already lost this, so when washing bedsheet it tends to stick on 1 side causing it to rinse and rinse only and can't spin. Again, this only happen to me after 8 years. rm1000-1100 used for 8 years consider very good already. I just need to spend another rm200-300 to change some parts and I can move on.
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post Oct 8 2014, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:37 PM)
Well, it's hard to configure any washing machine to spin counter to what the law of physics has decreed in terms centrifugal and centripetal force. I expect that on either top and front load. I think it would be useful to share how one even out the out of balance loads. For duvet or blankets, there's a technique illustrated in some Jap WM manuals.
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Well, that's why a top loader can last very long compare to front loader, because TL follow physic's law while front loader going against it.
Spinning either vertically or horizontally with load well distributed having lesser stress.
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post Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 8 2014, 02:30 PM)
Which model do you had now?
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post Oct 9 2014, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 8 2014, 02:30 PM)
Which model do you had now?
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post Oct 9 2014, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 9 2014, 05:39 AM)
Look like Samsung is another durable brand. rclxms.gif
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Indeed yes, 2 years of usage generating > 90dB of noise and dance every now and then.
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post Oct 9 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Oct 9 2014, 09:28 AM)
Around 6kg and without VRT & inverter motor as well.. Nothing much can be done in perfectly
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Actual load only 5KG, over rated.
Kimchis never do some good, except making holes in our wallet with their low quality stuffs.
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post Oct 9 2014, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Oct 9 2014, 10:56 AM)
Is this the one you mentioned used in the villa? If it is I think it's very very well utilized. Based on that post, if I read it correctly, it's doing 8 years use in 1 year due to the amount of washes.
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Sorry, 8 years is my Hitachi top loader, this front loader only used for 2 years. Well utilized? Reliable? For kimchi brand, I think it is very good already. But when comparing together with the brand that designed by people which made Pearl Harbor as scrap yard, it is rubbish whistling.gif

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