I never attend chan class so wait for further post.
About daniel Ho he don't spot like other lecturers do but prioritise the area by giving ranking. Important topic = 3 stars, less important = 1 star (you get the picture). All finance lecturer have different aprroach & technique to exam like andrew pang drills students on many different questions so that student can memoris & facilitate with the flow.
About Daniel Ho is that his technique in revision is almost the same in normal class where he focus on doing questions. Before starting on questions he will teach the basics & theory first. His technique is quite unique as its quite consistent & flexible where you can gain all the minimum & easy marks before moving to harder part of the question. Cant say he is perfect though but he is very patient in teaching the difficult stuff so students can digest them. A lot of ex-andrew class in daniel also appreciate his technique.
I think he has the largest market share for current P4 finance students.

Both of them are good, i passes both of my P1(Philip) & P3(Parmindar) at the first attempt.
Thanks to them...

I thought I already said that Sunway has its own way to ensure students get prepare early, by ensuring they perform in the tests and mock exams, with the threat that they might be barred if they consistently failed miserably.

I support my college because I am there and I enjoy studying there, it is not like I am supporting it blindly. If Sunway simply bans students from sitting in the exam without allowing students to justify themselves, then I myself would also not support it blindly, you get what I mean?

The percentage of students getting barred from real exam is not significant, not like 50% of sunway students get barred every sitting.

If you insists that not all lecturers are good, can you name any? Or just by word of mouth?

How do you define a lecturer being good or not in the first place? Why do you say that KL colleges are much better off? Is it because the lecturer has more years or teaching? Is it because the lecturer can deliver the lessons well? Is it because the lecturer understands the students pace?

Each of us got different way of defining a good lecturer.

I think what she meant is that sunway lecturer is "not good enough" if compared with "some" of Kl reputable lecturers.
I don't know about funadamental papers but come to advance level the lecturer inability to teach will be more evident than ever & this separates the quality & good. We always measure a leader in terms of crisis not when in peace & as in pilot capability when there is emergency not when on auto-pilot. Some of KL lecturers have so many years of experience in teaching acca that their name is almost synanamous with the paper itself.

When I enquire big 4 auditors on how they come to these lecturers most of them will say its recommendation from their fellow auditor.
For PWC & EY students can be bonded with sunway for acca studies yet these student rather fork out their own money to find "even better" lecturer.
In the first place this forum is to meant to recommend lecturer not centre. From what i can see in these forum only 2 sunway student whom is evident enough that does it, one who support the lecturer compared to the uni while the the other remain independent. I myself criticise every centre i have been through be it KSA, MCO, FTMS or KB but its the lecturers inside which i am more interested with.

Hello, if I'm not mistake, this is your 1st sitting for ACCA. You haven't study your ACCA until P level, how can you said all Sunway lecturers good? If like that, then Sunway sent Finance lecturer to teach P1 also good lo. Sunway ask Menon to teach P3 oso good lo. Sunway ask Choong Kwai Fatt to teach P5 also good lo.

No ppl have objection if you support Sunway, but please look at pro and con for Sunway, then baru give comment. Even Kasturi/Mc Orange can provide the strong lecturer team, but they oso got some inexperience lecturer. But from your post, you only keep on to talk how good Sunway, how perfect Sunway. Hello, please look at the other side. The purpose we come here is give student recommendation, not promote college.

I already finished ACCA and I attend a lot of lecturer in Kasturi, Mc Orange, FTMS and SEGI. At least I know each college also got pro and con. And even experience lecturer also got pro and con. I give you some eg,

Andrew Pang is very famous finance and management accounting lecturer. He is very good in calculation, I don't think got any other lecturer can do calculation faster than him. But when come to theory part, Andrew won't explain in detail to student and normally any student study under Andrew Pang will have problem handle theory part question.

Joe Fang got very special technique in Consol question where student can finish Consol question in 35 miniutes (P2). I don't think your Sunway best lecturer Menon can do that. But when come to FRS, Joe Fang won't cover too detail as compare to other lecturer like Menon, Haneef or Keith Farmer.

And I'm not agree on "Sunway ban student to take exam". As long as they paid Sunway tuition fee, even they fail at less than 10m, but they oso consider your student. Even Choong Kwai Fatt got a lot of student fail exam, but he won't deleted any student from the student list.

Hello, ACCA is not primary school exam, not said fail mock exam, then must go to see principal. We are not take internal exam, but we paid to get ACCA. And the main reason Sunway ban student to take was scare to lost their platinum status.

I dun want to talk too much already. When you refer to Toppace111 post, then you can know more about experience lecturer.

Lastly, we already stop arguement on this issue since yesterday. No more arguement, concentrate study la, Young Man.

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Added on April 1, 2009, 12:02 pmTotally agree. We are student, we paid tuition fees to get the experience lecturer, but not to promote lecturer/college. The most important is experience lecturer can turn our weakness to strength. Just like Joe Fang, if any student attend his P2 class, then will learn a express technique to answer Consol question.

Ayoh, I'm man la. Please change "she" to "he"

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Apr 1 2009, 12:06 PM

IF YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO STOP ARGUING, STOP POSTING ALL THESE STUFFS

1. TO SPEAK OF COLLEGE

- So you never been to SUNWAY so please stop your comments about SUNWAY , talk when u know something, not nothing or by word of mouth. It is not defending sunway but it deserve some respect too-

2.TO SPEAK OF EXPERIENCE?

-I'm under a lecturer in Sunway who is HIS lecturer in the 1990s, Try compare? Come to his class.-

-So what to finish a consol within short time? Menon can do it, why cant she? Lay out the format, fill in the blanks, I also can la. DON'T COMMENT WHEN YOU NEVER BEEN TO HER CLASS.
Where do you think the 75% P2 pass rate came from? I personally do not like her attitude but I have to defend her on this.
By the way, Quote some lecturers, If you can finish questions so fast and got so much time left, then probably you've failed-

3. TO SPEAK OF BARRING STUDENTS

- Cant you see its a Win Win situation? For weak students who is certain to fail the exam, why not prevent them from taking the exam, save their time and money, save college reputation
ANYWAY, Barring is just a threat, a stick in carrot and stick theory to push students to strive, I don't really know any students who were actually barred from taking exam, if there is any,let me know.
I'm always at barring line, but if you speak nicely to the management and promise that you will study hard, they'll let you in.
Outsiders don't condemn too much without knowing the details-

4. TO SPEAK OF PASSING ACCA

- this point i totally agree with you. Good job-

PS: FOR OTHERS WHO WANTS TO MAKE NOISE HERE, FLASH YOUR RESULTS FIRST BEFORE YOU TALK BAD ABOUT OTHERS.
I believe any good students will not be bothered to whine in the forum, because they have the virtue of humbleness
They will give constructive comments rather than badmouthing other colleges.

Hi, Just wondering if FTMS's revision timetable is out already? If it is...wud really appreciate if you could share the dates for the f8 revision by Fung CheeKong!

Thanks a bunch =)

PS: debating which college/lecturer is better has become a favourite activity, hasnt it??

Very funny, another Sunway fans come to cari gaduh. Is it Sunway fans like to CARI GADUH SELALU?

Hello, it your Sunway student want to Quote my post for fire. Your Sunway student like to gaduh. When I comment other college lecturer, no ppl will gaduh like your Sunway student even I said they are not good. It shows Sunway student like to Gaduh. May be Mr Teo pay you as you to promote Sunway.

May be rich ppl like you go to Gaduh with our miskin ppl, cos your ppl always thing "Got money nothing is impossibile"

Talk about Consol method. Sorry lo, Joe Fang method not as per you said "Lay out the format, fill in the blanks". As I know from some Sunway student, Menon consol method more like Haneef, nothing much special, off course can give student better understanding. But Joe Fang method is express until your Sunway student never see b4. Don't believe me, go to read Joe Fang book. I can it is totally difference from your Menon method. And I never say Menon bad thing, but just her Consol method not so fast as compare to Joe Fang. Every lecturer oso got pro and con, just I say Joe Fang cover FRS not so detail.

Need to tell you also, if can finish 35m consol fast, means that student can take more time to do FRS question and not as per you said will fail. P2 is 70% theory, consol just one part, if can then better finish ASAP.

Teaching since 1990 doesn't mean he/she is experience ACCA lecturer. Total no point, just want to CARI GADUH

Who tell you weak student can't pass? Think about Part time student, are you sure they will fail and waste money? I got a friend study full time 3.5,3.6 and 3.7 in Sunway, finally he only pass 3.6 in 2 sitting. When he go for part time in KSA/MCO, he can pass P1 & P3 in 1 attemp. Your statement show that your Sunway only know to save college reputation, totally no point.

Lastly, if you don't like my statement, please don't reply me. And who are you? King of ACCA Malaysia? Forum is free to talk anything, if you don't agree, you can comment, but not CARI GADUH.

Or else, you can ask Mr Teo come to comment if he is free any time.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Apr 1 2009, 02:12 PM

We already stop debating yesterday, just some Sunway student not happy and come to Cari Gaduh.

Well, pathetic.
Sunway students should just SHUT UP
Invest your time in studies so you won't get barred and prove to them with our results. We know what is going on.

The fact is , only the inferior ones will make noise. only the inferior ones will CARI GADUH
IS SAD TO KNOW THERE ARE STILL ACCA GRAD WHO CANT INTERPRET ENGLISH.
-no wonder sunway acca need to have english class.-

Eg.
Teaching since 1990 doesn't mean he/she is experience ACCA lecturer. Total no point, just want to CARI GADUH

What is the defination of EXPERIENCED then?

Enough said, the smart will understand.
End of my 2 cents.

I'm more interest to know who are u now?

May be you are Mr Teo from Sunway?

Ya, I agree my English is not good. But need to tell u oso, a lot of graduate accountant oso not good in English including some lecturer. But why some ACCA lecturer w/o good English oso can become famous? Ha Ha, very funny.

Let the people judge.

Here is acca thread not kindergarten, once you lose an argue, do not do personal attack. Why bring mr.teo up? LOL.

I'm thinking higher chance you are Mr Teo or may be Mr Teo assistant come to promote Sunway.

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Apr 1 2009, 02:29 PM

FTMS has released their timetable very early even before 2n term commence to serve as guideline with other college.
FCK class is at May 11 (6.30pm to 9.30 pm) May 12 & 13 (10am to 5pm). or you can download here :
http://www.ftmsglobal.com/downloads_timeta...09_Revision.pdf

Not really a favourite topic but it seems a very sensitive & controversial one. Best to remain neutral .
Like old Karpal vs the entire Govt : wouldn't that be a sight to behold
It seems martin windle also join phillip to teach P3

This post has been edited by Topace111: Apr 1 2009, 05:08 PM

lol carlosandy , why u always say Mr Teo pay ppl 2 promote 1 , hahaha .

Ha Ha, I said may be only la.

But seriously thinking may be Blazingkidz is Mr Teo assistance, Ha Ha

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Apr 1 2009, 07:47 PM

You have your own thinking why Sunway bans student, but I also have my own thinking on why Sunway bans their student.

Which part of this sentence that you don't understand?

"Sunway threaten to ban their student who do not perform in the exam, so that students will take the internal tests seriously and be prepared, studying consistently for the real exam"

"Sunway do not ban their students, if they just fail, they look at past record, other papers, attendance"

I am not here to 'cari gaduh' with you, I am here to explain what you say about Sunway ban policy, so that you do not mislead other people

So you're saying just because I am in my first ACCA sitting, I know no seniors up there? Probably that is the scenario in KL colleges because you don't pretty get a college environment there

This post has been edited by karhoe: Apr 1 2009, 08:04 PM

To all Sunway students ONLY, we all should not debate anymore.
Share the good with those interested. Keep our mouth shut for the rest.
Do not waste ur energy and end up to be accussed as Mr Teo's assistants (which is totally a blind accusation without fact or evidence)
Thanks, my concerns for Sunway students

hmm.. Honestly, Acca students have so much to study in such a short period of time. Perhaps we should spend our time doing something more constructive, for instance improving our grammar?? I'm sure our future employers will be so much more impressed if we can converse in good english rather than being able to describe how 'godlike' their lecturers are in terms of teaching style?

Ban policy? Very funny, Sunway ban policy want to protect their platinum, now you turn the this stupid thing to say they do good for student. Sorry lo, in commercial, nobody will help you without get something.

Hello, young man, do you look another side for Sunway. I ask u to look at pro and con, then only give comment. Just like me, KSA/MCO provide good lecturer team for student, but at the same time, I oso agree they fail to provide good study environment for student.

And I need to tell you oso, I'm part time student for all 14 papers, I don't care about college environment. College environment for me is extra thing only. And please don't simply talk this thing. I know you are from rich family, you never know how difficult part time student study ACCA. And you talk this already show you try to Cari Gaduh now.

After u pass your P level paper, then baru argue with me what is experience lecturer. And since u said Sunway lecturer so perfect, then PLEASE DO NOT COME TO KL COLLEGE FOR TUITION. (But I scare you curi curi go during P level paper)

This post has been edited by carlosandy: Apr 1 2009, 10:34 PM