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post Mar 28 2009, 04:31 AM

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QUOTE(winongcf @ Mar 28 2009, 12:53 AM)
erm..u cant get ptptn loan for acca course,but other loan i am not sure about it..

a world prize in cat will only give u 100% waiver in cat(exclude acca) and malaysia will only get 50% waiver..so in order to get full waiver u must get atleast 2 prizes throughout the whole course,1 in cat and another 1 in acca
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Alternatively, just work hard in ur spm and get the straight A1s to get 100% fee waiver for CAT and a world prize in ACCA (1 out of 6+5=11 papers)
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post Mar 28 2009, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(geo @ Mar 28 2009, 08:08 PM)
my frens damn stress when studying in sunway for ACCA
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Sunway works this way. The lecturers will make sure u understand the syllabus and they will ask u what parts to focus. This is good for those who like to know/learn. IF u view stuying for ACCA as something u would like to learn, u will have less difficulties in it. Whereas, the other colleges (in my opinion, SOME but not all) will go for spotting the questions rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about. THIS WILL MEAN U WOULD NEED MORE TIME STUDYING IN SUNWAY BECAUSE U ARE TAUGHT AND GUIDED CLOSER (which is good if u are not able to manage ur time well) WHEREAS IN THESE OTHER COLLEGES, U CAN DECIDE ON UR OWN TIME TO STUDY THE SYLLABUS THOROUGHLY BUT CARE MUST BE GIVEN THAT ONE CAN MANAGE HIS/HER TIME WELL.The passing chance is BETTER FOR A PREPARED STUDENT AS COMPARED TO A LAST-MINUTE STUDENT.

ACCA is a tough examination because it is the shortest course to a professional qualification (3 years to know everything to learn to be a qualified accountant). So, in my opinion, it is the time constraint itself that makes it tough.

But there is one thing true about Sunway. That is there are quite a number of good students in Sunway. This may make the others feel stressed. But I would say just ignore others and learn at ur pace. Everyone can pass if they put in their efforts (Disclaimer: it would be harder if u have a problem with language. part 3 would require very much efforts)

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post Mar 29 2009, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 29 2009, 12:47 AM)
Who tell you other college spotting question rather than making student understand syllabus?

Do you know that 1st day when I attend Philip Woo (KSA), he already explain to us the whole syllabus for P1?

Do you know that 1st day I attend Choong Kwai Fatt 3.2 in SEGI, he use 2 hours to explain the syllabus for 3.2?

Do you know that 1st day I attend Andrew Pang P5 in KSA, he already told us the P5 syllabus?

Do you know that 1st day I attend Parmindar P3 in KSA, he already told us which topic will be test in Sec A and other topic will be test in Sec B?

I can tell u that KL lecturer will be more concentrate in important area, just like you go to SPM tuition during your Form 5, but not more on spotter area. Of course they will spot but only during end of class for that semester and revision class.

Regarding higher passing rate in Sunway, I don't want to talk too much, but you can refer back to previous post to check the reason.
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Please refer to what my wordings are. I mentioned most but NOT ALL and I didnt mention KL colleges are bad. One more point that I raised is that a more prepared student (as in understanding) will be better than an unprepared student. I didnt even intend to mention Sunway passing rate is high. Are you being too sensitive?
And what I'm referring to is mainly on part 2 of ACCA. In part 3, there are no alternatives but to focus on important topics.
Thanks for ur comment.


Added on March 29, 2009, 2:00 am
QUOTE(Topace111 @ Mar 29 2009, 01:19 AM)
I think you are speaking from ignorance as your statement clearly implied that you never step foot outside of sunway and its quite ill-advised to talk something without supported by facts or research.

The term "spot" is hardly relevant since most lecturer in advance level rarely spot & teach everything to student & let the students to decide on their own course of study. The spotting may be relevant in revision session but i don't think you mentioned that in your statement.
Kl lecturers definitely lacks the time & resources compared to full time sunway lecturers so they focus on key principles & core data. Student will have to find their own mode of study since :
1) No homework is given.
2) very few questionnaires
This may teach student to become self independent & reduce reliance on lecturer (although many may not). What you mentioned above in sunway teaching methods is also unofficialy known as "spoon-feeding" and lectures in these level should not be so in the first place as students have to strice on their own.

I recommend you to try these 2 lecturer : haneef & parmindar & decide whether they teach or spot. You may be surprised like you have never been before. At least thats what most sunway students that take at Kl centres told me.
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I agree with the difference in teaching method. But first, let me make this clear. I do not intend to compare any colleges or lecturers. My statement "The lecturers will make sure u understand the syllabus and they will ask u what parts to focus.Whereas, the other colleges (in my opinion, most but not all) will go for spotting the questions rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about." intends to convey my meaning as to why u might experience stress in Sunway college (as brought up by geo) as u will need to allocate more time to studies in Sunway whereas in other colleges, u are more free to decide on ur own time to study. Maybe I'll shall clarify this in the post. Thanks for ur comment.

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post Mar 29 2009, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 29 2009, 01:29 PM)
Who tell you MOST of OTHER COLLEGE LECTURER GO FOR SPOTTING THE QUESTION for Part 2?

F4 - Vikness (Kolej Bandar)
F5 - Andrew/Tee Chai Hong (KSA)
F6 - Alan Yeo (KSA), Siva Nair (FTMS)
F7 - Haneef (Mc Orange), Keith Farmer (KSA)
F8 - Philip Woo (KSA), Sheila (Mc Orange), Low Chin Ann(Kolej Bandar)
F9 - Daniel Ho (FTMS), Andrew Pang (KSA)

Do you know that all these famous lecturers also cover whole syllabus, but at the same time focus on the important area?

Do you know that study under Joe Fang (KSA) for F7, you will learn a special technique to answer in calculation part question?

Do you know that Keith Farmer (KSA) is only the lecturer can cover balance in both Consol and FRS (F7 & P2 also)? Keith Farmer cover very detail in FRS and have own technique for Consol part.
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First, these are famous lecturers. As u can see, not all of them are not from the same college. So can u compare the WHOLE KL with ONE Sunway college?
Second, I have no intention to compare KL and Sunway. It's u who wanted to and started the debate.
Third, I have changed the word "MOST" even before u reply me since u are so sensitive that I am talking about KL colleges when I did not have that intention.
So, now what else do u care?
Well, Sunway or KL is not my concerns. I am not holding shares in any of them. So, is there no incentive for me to talk good about Sunway and talk bad about KL? pls think..thanks and no more war
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post Mar 30 2009, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 29 2009, 10:25 PM)
You want the lecturer from one college:

KSA

F4 - Sanjeetha
F5 - Andrew Pang, Tee Chai Hong
F6 - Alan Yeo
F7 - Keith Farmer
F8 - Philip Woo
F9 - Andrew Pang

Mc Orange

F4 - Mr Ramesh
F5 - Mr Ian Lim
F6 - Ms Wong Paik Wan
F7 - Mr Haneef
F8 - Ms Sheila
F9 - Mr Ian Lim

Some of them not so famous but they still cover the whole syllabus for that paper and not as per you said "Spotting Topic rather than cover syllabus". You keep on to say "Most" already prove you try to compare Sunway and KL college.

Even a lot of lecturer from SEGI/FTMS not so famous but they also cover the whole syllabus for that paper.

Need to tell you also both KSA and Mc Orange got more experience and famous lecturer as compare to Sunway.

And please read back your 1st post, is you go to Compare the Sunway lecturer and KL lecturer. I just tell you the real thing in KL college.

I agree with Topace111, this issue is quite trifle to debate to begin with. So no more arguement, but please don't simply say "other college spotting question rather than making student understand syllabus".
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"And please read back your 1st post, is you go to Compare the Sunway lecturer and KL lecturer. I just tell you the real thing in KL college."
excuse me, did i mention KL at anywhere in my first post? thanks and pls be reminded that there are many colleges in 14 states in Malaysia as well as Labuan and Cyberjaya. Malaysia is not made up of KL and Sunway only.
u keep on saying i m referring to ur KL colleges.well,I can't help u on that. all the best with ur hate to Sunway.
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post Mar 30 2009, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 30 2009, 01:16 PM)
Not said want to war with him, but he keep on to say "MOST of the other colleges will go for spotting the questions rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about". He never study any paper in other college and also totally don't know about other college, how can say this thing? He totally go to promote Sunway and talk the bad thing for other college.

Now he already turn this game to play "WORDING". I hope will not argue him anymore.

Btw, for your current situation, I think the chance to enter BIG 4 won't be high. May be you try to pass your F8 and P1-P3 1st, then baru try la.
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hey.pls refer to my post.i didnt insist on most.i already change it since ur first post.maybe u should look first before u talk?
and many ppl know u hate sunway so i dont think i should change what i have written.
and i think this will be my last post on this topic. i dont hv time to argue with u.it's simply too hard to talk to u.
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post Mar 31 2009, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 30 2009, 08:20 PM)
Ha Ha, nothing wrong if I really don't like Sunway. Just u as a Sunway student want to promote Sunway and go to do this arguement until now.

And from my 1st post argue with you, I never talk Sunway bad thing (please don't mixed this debate with previous post), I just tell you the real thing in other college and show you some example for KL lecturer. I show you more than 5 examples for other college lecturer.

It is your try to promote Sunway. Promote Sunway still ok, but why u keep on to say "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about", but you fail to provide evidend. And finally go to change game rule play "WORDING".

Even in my previous arguement, I also agree Sunway got it own advantage like College life, big library and etc. I also agree with them Sunway provide good study environment for student. But how about u? Never attend other college lecturer and don't have any evidend, but KEEP ON TO SAY "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about".

No point to argue with Sunway supporter like you anymore. But just need to tell u every college also got pro & con, but your opinion for "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about" was TOTALLY WRONG.
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"Ha Ha, nothing wrong if I really don't like Sunway. Just u as a Sunway student want to promote Sunway and go to do this arguement until now."

U have ur hatred to sunway i never care. and well even if i promote sunway, i dont think it's wrong too. i just say in my opinion, it is good. if other people want to believe then believe. if they dont and want to know more, ask more ppl. opinion = judgemental. at least, i get good results under sunway. some more, in almost every post of mine, i say KL colleges are not bad and i say i dont intend to compare.


"And from my 1st post argue with you, I never talk Sunway bad thing (please don't mixed this debate with previous post), I just tell you the real thing in other college and show you some example for KL lecturer. I show you more than 5 examples for other college lecturer. "

Thanks for ur efforts but do i care at the first place? i didnt compare sunway and KL so why u tell me


"It is your try to promote Sunway. Promote Sunway still ok, but why u keep on to say "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about", but you fail to provide evidend. And finally go to change game rule play "WORDING"."

I dont think i need to provide evidence. it is my opinion and so what u care if u disagree. just say u disagree. DIGI uses the slogan "The Smartest Choice Always". does this mean those ppl using maxis are stupid ppl? come on. different ppl different views


"Even in my previous arguement, I also agree Sunway got it own advantage like College life, big library and etc. I also agree with them Sunway provide good study environment for student. But how about u? Never attend other college lecturer and don't have any evidend, but KEEP ON TO SAY "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about"."

Haha. funny. did u mention about advantages of Sunway in any post of urs? I cant find any. second, even if i say other college lecturer spots, what are ur concerns? that is my opinion and what i heard. i already emphasise that i m not referring to those KL colleges and there should be no worry on ur part that readers will be misguided.



"No point to argue with Sunway supporter like you anymore. But just need to tell u every college also got pro & con, but your opinion for "other college lecturer spotting question rather than making the students understand what the syllabus is about" was TOTALLY WRONG."

I m not a supporter of Sunway. I speak with my results. I agree every college has pro and con. what i find is sunway covers the syllabus well for students but i do agree few papers are not so good covered. well, if u count the good colleges altogether is about 5 or less (as long as it is not much more than that), then u can take the word "MOST" as referring to other colleges. why are u so panic and sensitive? is there a need? it simply shows that u cant stand ppl praising sunway college. dont be a hater.

Lastly, I, hereby, exclude KL colleges and other good colleges from my first statement. With my declaration, pls be satisfied.

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post Mar 31 2009, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(carlosandy @ Mar 31 2009, 12:42 AM)
No evidend, never study under other college, but now try to use own opinion to talk bad thing about other college. This is Sunway student.

You said the previous one is your last post? Why still want to post war now? In non evidend statement, it is show you try to talk bad thing about other college and promote Sunway. May be Mr Teo pay u ask u to do. How much Mr Teo pay u? I'm not surprise cos Mr Teo already done some unethical during CKF P6 class in Sunway.

I agree with some Sunway advantage b4, please check my previous post. And from my 1st post argue with u, I just talk about other college thing, never talk about Sunway bad thing. How about u? Promote Sunway, keep on talk bad thing for other college.
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so, it seems u have studied in Sunway for a long time before u can say all bad things about Sunway and Mr Teo huh? sure u have lots of evidence about them. fantastic guy. just dont tell me u got them from words of mouth.

anyway, u dont need to make a presentation to me. i'm not interested to know. u keep ur way, i keep my way. that's the best. if ppl believe u, good for u. if ppl believe me, i dont care. not my concerns. it's their future, their life. so, stop firing at me and say ok case closed. i can do the same.

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post Mar 31 2009, 09:02 PM

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karhoe, agree with u.
and to someone who says i m simply promoting and will cause the juniors into trouble, i m a worldprize winner in CAT as well as a malaysian prize winner in part 3 under Sunway "not-famous-lecturers".
enough said. i dont want to downgrade myself anymore to argue like an unprofessional.
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post Mar 31 2009, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Mar 31 2009, 09:10 PM)
It's best we don't argue on this, lest us forget that our goal is ultimately to pass ACCA and be a modern indentured servant in the big 4 biggrin.gif

Another thing, not to offend anyone, blowing your own trumpet and stating your own qualifications is not the right way to show off ;p. Learn a little subtlely when showing off, very important for your future career hahaha.
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thanks for the reminder.i always know that.
just annoyed at someone who says "simply promoting sunway" and therefore, i should prove him sth
i feel better now and sorry if that hurts anyone
and i do not wish to argue further on the matter as this will make whoever involved unprofessional..
thanks

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post Apr 1 2009, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ Apr 1 2009, 08:04 PM)
You have your own thinking why Sunway bans student, but I also have my own thinking on why Sunway bans their student.

Which part of this sentence that you don't understand?

"Sunway threaten to ban their student who do not perform in the exam, so that students will take the internal tests seriously and be prepared, studying consistently for the real exam"

"Sunway do not ban their students, if they just fail, they look at past record, other papers, attendance"

I am not here to 'cari gaduh' with you, I am here to explain what you say about Sunway ban policy, so that you do not mislead other people

So you're saying just because I am in my first ACCA sitting, I know no seniors up there? Probably that is the scenario in KL colleges because you don't pretty get a college environment there
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To all Sunway students ONLY, we all should not debate anymore.
Share the good with those interested. Keep our mouth shut for the rest.
Do not waste ur energy and end up to be accussed as Mr Teo's assistants (which is totally a blind accusation without fact or evidence)
Thanks, my concerns for Sunway students

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post Apr 2 2009, 05:22 AM

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QUOTE(CK90 @ Apr 1 2009, 09:31 PM)
To all Sunway students ONLY, we all should not debate anymore.
Share the good with those interested. Keep our mouth shut for the rest.
Do not waste ur energy and end up to be accussed as Mr Teo's assistants (which is totally a blind accusation without fact or evidence)
Thanks, my concerns for Sunway students
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talking to my fellow coursemates whistling.gif
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post Apr 3 2009, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(Topace111 @ Apr 3 2009, 07:46 PM)
If your degree is finance then chances content will be very similar so can self study.
But the thing with finance is its one of the most calculational paper (if not the most) so self study can be a bit difficult. For finance theory marks are easier to gain but calculational marks are way harder (1 page answer may only yield 5 marks for example). Try attempting exam question before deciding but I always think self study for any calculational paper is not wise (considering time limitation is involved)


Added on April 3, 2009, 7:53 pm

Seriously many people have already criticise the usefulness of OBu since It doesn't really add value unless you gain first class & only those with average marks above 66 stands any chance to do so. Even with first class employers also felt a degree with only training period of 1 - 2 month is hardly a real degree at all. Then there are those mentioned it will help you to study for masters later on.
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good info on obu.just to add on to it:
for 66 marks, ur project must be A to get first class
for 67 marks, A or B also can
for 68 marks, A,B or C also can get first class
(sourced from ACCA website)

for big 4 (or 5), ur pay will be higher (maybe by RM50-RM200) if while waiting for ur results, u actually started working. this is on the basis that u have a degree as compared to other grads. however, if u already have a degree before u continue ACCA, then Obu may not be so helpful
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post Apr 3 2009, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(blurblur112 @ Apr 3 2009, 08:45 PM)
hi, i'm new here..
juz wana ask 4 opinions since i'm blur..who is the best p6 lecturer in kl (o sunway)?
i tot of taking p6 nx sitting..
thanks a lot a lot in advance ya! biggrin.gif
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as many ppl know, Prof. Choong Kwai Fatt is the most recommended lecturer for p6. if he ever teaches, he should be in kl.
topace and carlosandy should be able to help u to trace his whereabout

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