So far i have give it a morning n night kiss every day , i like the deep bass, the punch and i can recall the setting between movie and music with the blue digital display on top of the sub.

Wow! U really love ur sub! He! He! I only give my sub a real work out when everyone is asleep.

One thing I really like about the Klipsch RW-12D is the yellowish alluminium driver. Its beautiful. The overall looks of the RW-12D is very nice but I have not listen to how it sound. I am sure it can sound really big but how does it perform with music?

Thanks for the input

RW-12D primarily for HT task. It rumbles and hit hard. When comes to music, it aint the best in its class. But, its sexiness is

With the grills on it's pretty elegant. Once flashed, it looks real great.

Nakata, Mind Flashing your baby for us?

Real sexy...

what about 10D...same signature?

i think the 10D should be better for music as with most of the 10" sub.

Cool...I was hoping that. My Velo 10R not that well with music. I was hoping for a sub that can do both equally well.

Frequency response of the Toy Tower L/R (purple trace), REL T1 subwoofer (blue trace), Toy Center center channel (green trace), and Toy surround (red trace)

The REL T1’s close-miked response, normalized to the level at 80 Hz, indicates that the lower –3-dB point is at 43 Hz and the –6-dB point is at 36 Hz. The upper –3-dB point is at 98 Hz using the LFE input.

Can someone explain what does the chart means. I'm interested in the blue trace which is the REL T1.

This post has been edited by lightning69: May 1 2009, 01:11 AM

Elite question man .. i tot share market graph.

This is a job for anfieldude! He's knowledgeable on this.

My basic comment is this: when people look at sub performance one thing they wanna know is how low it can go. Specs will always state the freq response, e.g. from xx Hz to xx Hz. And this freq response is normally at -3 dB limit, meaning at what freq does the output reach -3 dB below the reference level. From what you quoted above, assume that they played the bass freq at a reference level of xx dB, when it gets to 43 Hz the output is xx -3 dB. Can the sub go lower? Yes, but output suffers, hence at 36 Hz the output is xx -6 dB.

Awaiting further clarification/correction from anfieldude.

Anyway, here's another freq response test of the Rel T1 from Sound & Vision.

Lots of Sifu here so no problem.

Spot on bro. This is a pretty good response from the sub. It is tuned at 80Hz (~82dB), the -3dB (junction is at 43Hz). There is a hump and a drop. Quite steady. Of course your room accoustics might change all this, but a pretty good curve. My only concern is I do not think this sub goes too low. I believe it will struggle below 50Hz from looking at the charts. It does well above 50Hz. This might be an impediment for big movie moments....

This post has been edited by anfieldude: May 1 2009, 10:25 AM

yes, the pro is here

Thanks man...very good info. When you say "struggle" ... at what volume level to do think that will happen. I don't mind if that thing struggle if one takes it to extremely high volume level because i don't really play my movies that loud. Most subs will eventually struggle but if it can perform well at normal level for most movies, then it should be alright. After all REL is a very reputable sub manufacturer.

Rel T1 is actually on my sub shopping list ( CMY Richard is such a sweet talker ) but then when I saw the spec it did not go very low, hence I end up with a Paradigm which dig down to 19Hz. Which is imp to me as 99% will be on movie.

I think this would make a good musical sub. You need to decide what it would be used for primarily. This is a very controlled sub. As you see the response from 40-80Hz pretty solid. The LFE signals in movies typically will go down to 20Hz, mostly much lower than that. The boom effect of explosions and all will be controlled and you will hear but not "feel" it as much as the other low grunt subs. Again, it depends on ur preference. Typically a sub that is more for movies does not do that great for music as it would be too boomy and the sub that is controlled to supplement music would not give u the booms u would like for movies. As long as you understand that it is ok. It is still sufficient for you to hear the blasts and the explosions just not the earth shattering shake! Hope it clears it up.

PS. I am no pro man...I wish I was.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: May 1 2009, 11:20 AM

I think I would prefer more controlled sub than big boom boom. It scare my kids away! Will give this sub a try when i got home from work.

What are the characteristics of a good curve? I'm trying to learn how to interpret them. For the T1 I can see the curve is quite pronounced going from 20-100 Hz. I always thought a flatter curve is more ideal?

Anyway, what do you think of these graphs for the CHT-12Q?



Here's a graph for the JL F113. One of the flattest curves I've seen (and I assume this is a very good thing right?):



This post has been edited by jchong: May 1 2009, 02:01 PM