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post Sep 13 2008, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 13 2008, 09:37 PM)
I recommend you go to the samsung website and look for product support for your lcd monitor.

usually they would have a guide for attaching the panel to the base. This manual should have been provided with your monitor as well .....
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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Sep 13 2008, 09:40 PM)
Read the manual provided bro, b4 spoiling something  biggrin.gif
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i did, but they don't written there properly..
same as the image given on the manual.

QUOTE(nelienuxe_sara @ Sep 13 2008, 10:00 PM)
gimme... i can pasang it for u ^^
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I managed to attach it. Just paksa it go into the socket/hole laugh.gif

just dunno whether it stable or not..
last time got one kind of lock, but now new model doesn't have one.. doh.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 10:17 PM

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Thank you for the comparison.Actually I am not very sure how big difference is 6 bit colour and 8 bit colour.I am not sure how poor the viewing angle on TN panel vs pva , mva.The problem is my area doesn't have all those LCD for preview.
I want to ask what is the different between H-IPS vs those CRT monitor ? CRT monitor using 6 bit ?
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QUOTE(jake23 @ Sep 13 2008, 09:59 PM)
Can i get the 22" E228WFP lcd monitor online price at Dell Mid Valley Mega Mall ? Do they keep the lcd monitor stock in shop ?

Anyone know pls let me know about this.....Thanks.
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I m not sure but as far as i know theres no shops sells DELL in brand new one except from the website , their HQ is in PENANG
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post Sep 13 2008, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 13 2008, 06:42 PM)
Ayoh doh.gif please lah i not trying to be rude to fellow forumer.

I just saying cannot just assume TN is just as good as IPS panels and PVA panels because it just isn't true. For example some of the prices offered to me for my PVA monitor is so ridiculously low below a tn panel, how can this be  sweat.gif My intent was to to help educate our fellow forumer mah. I have seen an experienced first hand now TN, PVA and IPS to help give a better summary of the pros and cons of the different lcd panel types.

I hope you guys/girls don't take offence cause no ill will was intended  notworthy.gif Like our friend say, jangan kecoh hal hal sikit ni  laugh.gif

My brother has a few TN panels but he is a professional gamer and he isn't fussy person like i am doh.gif So to him as long as game has no input lag and gives an ok image, then his just fine. So what i had meant was, if you aren't fussy and want a cheap monitor that is fast for gaming then yeah get TN, as it's on the cheap.

But for those who are like me who want the best more accurate colors, with the latest inputs such as hdmi/display port, 1900x1200 native resolution and pretty much overall picture quality with only a downside of slightly more input lag compared to TN ( which isn't by much in my honest opinion and i have not noticed any impact on gaming especially on my new HP LP2475W ), then PVA or IPS would be preferable if you don't mind spending more. You stare at the monitor the most so i would say investing some in a good monitor is worth it as a hobbyist  nod.gif

Anyway i am glad i manage to persuade some of you to join my IPS club ^^ so just let them give you their feedback after having jumped over to IPS ok. Hopefully more will join us.
Onion-KiD - I noticed your using the Q6600 2.4ghz. Mine is the Dual Core E6600 2.4ghz by the way  nod.gif very good price for performance at the time i bought it. Nephiliems look good but too poor to upgrade  doh.gif  My CPU is the limiting factor right now in my system with the index score of 5.3
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Bro, maybe you yourself think that you're not trying to be rude,a lot of us are offended by ur posts.There are so much better ways to communicate and pass the knowledge of which lcd is the best without offending fellow forumers and making you urself look like an arsehole. no offence but the way you post sounds like you are better than everybody else,no one is better than you. but to me, you are still nobody. shakehead.gif
Refer to Widescreen Thread V1.0, Version 2.0 Version 3.0

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=537631

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=460558

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=313978

There are some examples of top contributors there with actual pictures and humble explaination of which lcd is the best.and not simply copy and paste stuff from other forums and simply paste it here,as though you know so much about lcd.those legends are long gone, eg beastX, kianwee, ianho, Haruji Sora, asellus.... just to name a few.

Not everyone here can afford an ips panel, everybody also know that panel is the best la rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif the fact of financial constraint and due to the availability of ips panel here made a lot of us choose tn instead. your post like 'tn panel makes me puke'... WTF? can't you say in a better way?
IMHO,there are a lot of posting ethics you should learn better people can respect you.no offence.
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post Sep 14 2008, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Sep 13 2008, 10:17 PM)
Thank you for the comparison.Actually I am not very sure how big difference is 6 bit colour and 8 bit colour.I am not sure how poor the viewing angle on TN panel vs pva , mva.The problem is my area doesn't have all those LCD for preview.
I want to ask what is the different between H-IPS vs those CRT monitor ? CRT monitor using 6 bit ?
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Uh about crt i am not too sure bro. In this day and age not many Crts being made/sold except over ebay. I would advise you get a new lcd monitor because it's more convenient. 2 years back i was also unsure about switching from crt to lcd but now i am fine with the changes smile.gif Lcd technology has improved a lot. If you want cheap get TN ( not sure what model because i am not particularly interested in this segment ), or if you want better get PVA ( i heard Eizo ? make good pva monitors ), or get IPS ( the HP i have is the best performer for the price. It's cheaper then the other IPS in the 24'' category i found for me at least. )

The best way is to see the monitors in person and judge for yourself. I am not sure which shop has many good lcd monitors to look from though, maybe at lowyat ?




erxier - My dell 2405FPW was like this. You needed to give a good push to lock it on. My new Hp you slot it over the locking device. As a bonus the HP panel has a easily removable mekanism




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TN + film

The inexpensive 'TN (twisted nematic) + film' display is the most common consumer display type. The pixel response time on modern TN panels is sufficiently fast to avoid the shadow-trail and ghosting artifacts of earlier production. The fast response time has been emphasised in advertising TN displays, although in most cases this number does not reflect performance across the entire range of possible color transitions. Response times were quoted for an ISO standard black-to-white transition and did not reflect the speed of much more common transitions from one shade of grey to another. More recent use of RTC (Response Time Compensation – Overdrive) technologies has allowed manufacturers to significantly reduce grey-to-grey (G2G) transitions, without significantly improving the ISO response time. Response times are now quoted in G2G figures, with 4ms and 2ms now being commonplace for TN Film based models. The good response time and low cost has led to the dominance of TN in the consumer market.

The TN display suffers from limited viewing angles, especially in the vertical direction. For colour representation many panels use 6 bits per colour, instead of 8, and are consequently unable to display the full 24-bit truecolor (16.7 million colour shades) available from modern graphics cards. These panels can display interpolated 24-bit color using a dithering method which combines adjacent pixels to simulate the desired shade. They can also use FRC (Frame Rate Control), which quickly cycles pixels over time to simulate a given shade. These color simulation methods are noticeable to most people and bothersome to some[citation needed]. FRC tends to be most noticeable in darker tones, while dithering appears to make the individual pixels of the LCD visible. Overall, color reproduction and linearity on TN panels is poor. Shortcomings in display color gamut (often referred to as a percentage of the NTSC 1953 color gamut) are also due to backlighting technology. It is not uncommon for displays with CCFL (Cold Cathode Fluorescent Lamps)-based lighting to range from 40% to 76% of the NTSC color gamut, whereas displays utilizing white LED backlights may extend past 100% of the NTSC color gamut – a difference quite perceivable by the human eye.

The transmittance of a pixel of an LCD panel typically does not change linearly with the applied voltage,[1] and the sRGB standard for computer monitors requires a specific nonlinear dependence of the amount of emitted light as a function of the RGB value.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD


Basically Tn panels are 6bit panels that use FRC to emulate the colors 8bit panels have. There are effects from this and could be annoying if you notice them. Also the color production isn't as good like the post above mentions. The best way is to find out what your budget is, then compare the monitors in first person and know what things to look out for such as the 3 different panel types which all have shortcomings and also pros.


Added on September 14, 2008, 12:24 am
QUOTE(Barricade @ Sep 13 2008, 10:47 PM)
Bro, maybe you yourself think that you're not trying to be rude,a lot of us are offended by ur posts.There are so much better ways to communicate and pass the knowledge of which lcd is the best without offending fellow forumers and making you urself look like an arsehole. no offence but the way you post sounds like you are better than everybody else,no one is better than you. but to me, you are still nobody. shakehead.gif
Refer to Widescreen Thread V1.0, Version 2.0 Version 3.0

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=537631

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=460558

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=313978

There are some examples of top contributors there with actual pictures and humble explaination of which lcd is the best.and not simply copy and paste stuff from other forums and simply paste it here,as though you know so much about lcd.those legends are long gone, eg beastX, kianwee, ianho, Haruji Sora, asellus.... just to name a few.

Not everyone here can afford an ips panel, everybody also know that panel is the best la  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  the fact of financial constraint and due to the availability of ips panel here made a lot of us choose tn instead. your post like 'tn panel makes me puke'... WTF? can't you say in a better way?
IMHO,there are a lot of posting ethics you should learn better people can respect you.no offence.
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Well i already explained myself out of courtesy, so if you want to make it personal then that is your problem. It's not my job to please anybody especially you who is a nobody rolleyes.gif I never said i was better than anybody so plz .... don't creat havok laugh.gif

This is a discussion about panel types so there is no reason to make it personal now do we ? hmm.gif or are you the real arsehole wanting to make an issue out of nothing just because people bought a better monitor then you did ?

What is wrong with copy paste ??? People only look here so easier to copy paste what. Also include source if they want to read for themselves and also giving credit to the original authors ? Even something like this you got issue ??? Get a life seriously rolleyes.gif

Your just as bad as BN who sent that reporter to lockup ISA because she reported the truth, and in this instance TN is not as good as PVA/IPS thats all. Not my problem if your unhappy and jealous if i chose to get a better monitor so you need to pick a fight laugh.gif


As i said, if people have a budget that is low then yes tn is a good choice however they need to keep in mind the quality their getting for it. So whatever sweat.gif



PS: seriously, don't take offense when people grading panels from their opinions. You act like your the inventor or something. Unlike you, i don't mind if you want trash IPS/PVA or whatever since it doesn't effect me so why should it for you rolleyes.gif If you want to keep things factual and disagree that is fine. Don't make it personal word of advise doh.gif If you want to pick a fight go play counter strike or something and let the adults talk sweat.gif

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 14 2008, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 13 2008, 06:42 PM)
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.... kids these days... LMAFO...

noyone asking u to post ur bragging bias conclusion on what panel are USEABLE and what aren't. Sharing information, is when people asks, and u provide relevant answers in simplified matter, just some facts based on paper usually do, adding personal kiddy judgment only makes u sound noobish,in a proper reviews ,people actually post pics, test, charts comparisons they made themselves rather than quote from other people. tats real hypocrisy , sweat.gif

don't u realise u comparing 2 total different tech built of panel and conclude them using your personal egoistic judgment?? That my friend makes ones looks like an arse or noob, not a pro. whistling.gif

simple put in for u to understands , save ur bragging in kopitiam or ur sales thread, keep this clean. if u still want to have longer virtual c*ck, just post pics and brag, a few huuh haa will last u for a while.... other than tat STFU... rclxms.gif

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post Sep 14 2008, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(PaiKahChaiCSTan @ Sep 14 2008, 01:02 AM)
.... kids these days... LMAFO...

noyone asking u to post ur bragging bias conclusion on what panel are USEABLE and what aren't. Sharing in when people ask and u provide revelant answers in simplified matter, just some facts based on paper usually do, adding personal kiddy judgement only makes u sound noobish, proper review actually people post pictures comparision they made themself rather than quote from other people. tats real hypocrisy , sweat.gif

don't u realise u comparing 2 total different tech built of panel and conclude them using your personal egoistic judgement?? That my friend makes ones looks like an arse or noob, not a pro. whistling.gif

simple put in for u to understands , save ur bragging in kopitiam or ur sales thread, keep this clean. if u still want to have longer virtual c*ck, just post pics and brag, a few huuh haa will last u for a while.... other than tat STFU...  rclxms.gif
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Exactly,he thinks he know so much about panel,actually a nub.lolz. looks like he's actually a manbaby.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 14 2008, 12:15 AM)

As i said, if people have a budget that is low then yes tn is a good choice however they need to keep in mind the quality their getting for it. So whatever  sweat.gif
PS: seriously, don't take offense when people grading panels from their opinions. You act like your the inventor or something. Unlike you, i don't mind if you want trash IPS/PVA or whatever since it doesn't effect me so why should it for you  rolleyes.gif  If you want to keep things factual and disagree that is fine. Don't make it personal word of advise  doh.gif If you want to pick a fight go play counter strike or something and let the adults talk  sweat.gif
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As you said, Yes Crappy TN is good choice due to people Crappy budget. However people(Include me) sure will always keep in mind on the Crappy quality their getting for it. Just like a Graphic card. upgrade, upgrade, upgrade....discuss, discuss, discuss..

Seriously, Don't take offense to TN when you grading panels from your opinions. I don't mind if you want instance TN is not as good as PVA/IPS or whatever since it doesn't effect me due to my limited Crappy option. If you want to keep things factual and disagree that is fine. Don't make it personal word like "Crappy panels" "Crappy Colors"

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"Tn = LCD monitor on the cheap for crappy panels for people that like crappy colors, and images and very low viewing angles that make me want to puke."

Sorry bro, Hope you no puke because TN panels owner speaking here. take care your body.
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lol... i think most lcds in lowyat are alll tn panel.. hope it will make you puke when u see it lol..
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Give him a break and lets rest this thing aside.

Everybody knows which panel is better than whichever panel and the price premium attached to the type of panel that you are referring to.

I think he got too excited with his new HP 24" that looks so good to him that he decided to 'convert' everyone to the premium panels.

Honestly I don't see a point making a fuss about this, and reading through whatever he said and then find some 'wording' problem. This is not doing any good to all of us and just make all of us more stressful. Imagine yourself getting a brand new toy/item/etc and then showing it to your friends and in that period, making some mistakes is your 'wording'/'speeches'. We all make mistakes.

He just got too excited, it's that simple.

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Sep 14 2008, 12:35 PM
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bro..i agree with ur explanation..yes he only very excited with the big lcd..
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guys, i just found out that my S2408W got 1 dot pixel (or is it dead pixel?)..

plz advice what should i do unsure.gif
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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Sep 15 2008, 07:39 AM)
guys, i just found out that my S2408W got 1 dot pixel (or is it dead pixel?)..

plz advice what should i do unsure.gif
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If that pixel has color, than it is a stuck pixel. Try rubbing gently on the stuck pixel and see if it will go away. Or you can try running stuck pixel video and see if it helps. Google for the video.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Sep 15 2008, 07:42 AM)
If that pixel has color, than it is a stuck pixel. Try rubbing gently on the stuck pixel and see if it will go away. Or you can try running stuck pixel video and see if it helps. Google for the video.
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yes it has color, blue-green or something lidat...

so how should i rub it? using a soft cloth?

and thanks for the advice anyway smile.gif
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QUOTE(studwo @ Sep 14 2008, 08:41 AM)
lol... i think most lcds in lowyat are alll tn panel.. hope it will make you puke when u see it lol..
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I'm quite disappointed that it's very hard to find S-IPS panel monitors in Low Yat... Almost every one is TN except for the Apple Cinematic Displays.
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Sigh, can't careless about the critics who want to make this a personal fight rolleyes.gif Need to grow up *ignored



QUOTE(engseng @ Sep 15 2008, 11:40 AM)
I'm quite disappointed that it's very hard to find S-IPS panel monitors in Low Yat... Almost every one is TN except for the Apple Cinematic Displays.
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Not many IPS models either to be honest. The only ones that come to mind is NEC, Planar, HP, Apple, Hazro ... can't think of any after that.

Thunder Match in lowyat supposedly is a reseller for HP so maybe they have stock of the HP Lp2475W ? Not sure though since i ended up getting directly from HP.

Yep i did notice that lowyat is mostly TN, but that is expected since Tn are cheap and more widely available. Singapore SIm Lim square is way more impressive hands down notworthy.gif


Quenox - So any updates ? hmm.gif

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Even Dell is moving towards to produce their Ultrasharp series using TN eg 2009WFP, etc. IMHO TN panel is getting better and better by the day and the viewing angle is improving comparing to few years back.

I am glad some of the manufacturer like HP still produce lcd using IPS panel, although the availability in Malaysia is limited

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 15 2008, 01:12 PM)
Yep i did notice that lowyat is mostly TN, but that is expected since Tn are cheap and more widely available. Singapore SIm Lim square is way more impressive hands down notworthy.gif
Are you able to find the NEC LCD2490WUXi monitor there?
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QUOTE(PaiKahChaiCSTan @ Sep 14 2008, 01:02 AM)
.... kids these days... LMAFO...

noyone asking u to post ur bragging bias conclusion on what panel are USEABLE and what aren't. Sharing information, is when people asks, and u provide relevant answers in simplified matter, just some facts based on paper usually do, adding personal kiddy judgment only makes u sound noobish,in a proper reviews ,people actually post pics, test, charts comparisons they made themselves rather than quote from other people. tats real hypocrisy , sweat.gif

don't u realise u comparing 2 total different tech built of panel and conclude them using your personal egoistic judgment?? That my friend makes ones looks like an arse or noob, not a pro. whistling.gif

simple put in for u to understands , save ur bragging in kopitiam or ur sales thread, keep this clean. if u still want to have longer virtual c*ck, just post pics and brag, a few huuh haa will last u for a while.... other than tat STFU...  rclxms.gif
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of coz la tn and ips can be compared because both are LCD panel technology, tell me again why it couldnt be compared doh.gif shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Sep 15 2008, 04:10 PM)
of coz la tn and ips can be compared because both are LCD panel technology, tell me again why it couldnt be compared  doh.gif  shakehead.gif
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You are right. This whole thread is for everyone to discuss and compare LCD monitors. This is the right thread to discuss on the differences between S-IPS and TN monitors. These are two different technologies with trade-offs unlike CRT monitors.

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