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post Sep 12 2008, 11:08 PM

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,Sep 12 2008, 10:17 AM]
how come price drop??

or u force them discount for u?? ^^

last 2 week i bought from there oso , RM1070..zzZzz....
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post Sep 12 2008, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Sep 12 2008, 10:48 PM)
Thank you very much for the info but again I still cannot get what I want  cry.gif 

Why forum member here like to give wording than actually comparison eye to eye or real life.Why just info ?
I was asking where I can see real life or eye to eye difference.You all tell me example "Samsung LCD TV 30 inch very nice but Sony LCD TV 30 inch color produce more nice or chicken rice at Jalan A nice but chicken rice at Jalan B more nice"
I never try I never know ,I  never see I never know.I just want someone to tell me where I can see those difference between all all 3 panel.
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Go to Mid Valley Megamall's IT World, look for 30" Apple iCinema at Machines and memorize whatever you see. Then go to Dell and look at 27" Dell 2707WFP and just randomly find another LCD which is under the price range of RM1000 and memorize what you see again. The 30" Apple iCinema is IPS, Dell 2707WFP is PVA and any random LCD screens below RM1000 is TN panel. Compare them in your head.
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post Sep 12 2008, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(SySTeM_eRRoR @ Sep 12 2008, 11:12 PM)
Go to Mid Valley Megamall's IT World, look for 30" Apple iCinema at Machines and memorize whatever you see. Then go to Dell and look at 27" Dell 2707WFP and just randomly find another LCD which is under the price range of RM1000 and memorize what you see again. The 30" Apple iCinema is IPS, Dell 2707WFP is PVA and any random LCD screens below RM1000 is TN panel. Compare them in your head.
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Thank you but where to find Dell 2707WFP ? at Mid Valley Megamall ?
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post Sep 12 2008, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Sep 12 2008, 11:35 PM)
Thank you but where to find Dell 2707WFP ? at Mid Valley Megamall ?
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I thought I mentioned Dell... nevermind, you can look at Dell 2707WFP at Dell Direct Store in Mid Valley IT World.
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post Sep 13 2008, 12:52 AM

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guys..why is it that after i downloaded the update of the 'magictune' software for my T220..lots of option becomes 'not available' such as contrast,color effects etc.?

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post Sep 13 2008, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Sep 12 2008, 08:10 PM)
If 2228h price is RM 999 worth to buy ??
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ofcourse worth lor , i just bought it 3 days ago at RM1060

Anyway was playing HD movies with P4 just now , was pretty Dam clear thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 02:53 AM

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LCD Panel Technology Type and Characteristics

TN film (Twisted Nematic)
- low manufacturing/retail costs
- restrictive viewing angles
- fast pixel response times
- dead pixels display white. Stuck pixels display RGB colors
- lower contrast levels means blacks are not as dark as VA based panels
- lower color reproduction

IPS (In Plane Switching)
- improved viewing angles over TN
- very good color reproduction
- slower pixel response times than TN
- dead pixels display black
- lower contrast levels means blacks are not as dark as VA based panels

    Super-IPS (S-IPS)
    - same as IPS except ...
    - likely best color reproduction of all TFT
    - less expensive to produce than IPS
    - improved pixel response

VA (Vertical Alignment) Technologies

MVA (Multidomain Vertical Alignment)
- compromise between TN and IPS technologies
- superior color reproduction over TN but not as good as IPS
- very good viewing angles but less than IPS
- higher contrast than TN or S-IPS means very good blacks
- dead pixels are black
- slower pixel response than TN or IPS
- details can be lost when directly viewing dark areas

    Premium-MVA (P-MVA)
    - same as MVA except ...
    - "overdrive" technology increases pixel response but still slower than TN
    - may have slightly degraded color reproduction due to "overdrive" process

    PVA (Patterned VA)
    - same as MVA except ...
    - larger viewing angles
    - higher contrast levels means darkest blacks

        Super-PVA (S-PVA)
        - same as PVA except ...
        - “Magic Speed” (the Samsung equivalent to Overdrive) improves pixel response
        - slightly improved color reproduction
        - slightly improved viewing angles


Purchasing Considerations

TN Gamers
Considered a "gamers" panel due to it's fast pixel response times which reduces trailing images know as "ghosting". However, this advantage has been reduced by new technologies to accelerate pixel response times in other panel types. Colors and contrast tend to be weak and blacks are not truly dark. Viewing angles are significantly limited. However, monitors based on this technology tend to be inexpensive.

IPS / S-IPS Graphics Work or Web Browsing
Considered to have the best color reproduction of all panel types, these panels are well suited for graphics work or web browsing. Pixel response time is also good but slower than the TN "gamers" panel. Contast and blacks are also less dark than VA panels but viewing angles are excellent.

MVA / P-MVA / PVA / S-PVA Compromise for All-Around Use
These panels are a compromise between the fast pixel response times of the TN panel and the excellent color reproduction of the IPS panels. Contrast and blacks are best of all the panel types. Viewing angles are similar but slightly inferior to IPS.


Credits to wonkman from Hardocp forum.



Talking about real life experience, i compare my Dell 2405 FPW PVA with my HP LP2475W H-IPS lcd monitor.

1. Viewing angles are both acceptable to me.

2. They both have adjustability such as pivot, rotate, and height adjustment. This is a very handy feature usually found on premium lcds.

3. Connectivity is good. The Dell has DVI which is pretty standard and all your need for a pc monitor. The Hp has DVI, HDMI and Display Port, even though it has the addition of the later 2, these won't be used much anytime soon unless your using PS3 which you could utilize the HDMI.

4. For gaming and movies both are acceptable.

5. Color calibration my Dell got a deltaE of lower then 3. My Hp got a deltaE score of lower then 2 which is to be expected because it's a better panel at color nod.gif Both are true 8bit panels unlike TN which is 6bit using FRC.

6. Ironically my Dell has more usb ports and also has a card and flash reader on the side. Dell are famous for having these on their premium monitors. My HP has 2 USB ports on the left side facing me, and somemore below the monitor. The HP ports are fine and enough for me, but i miss the card/flash reader since it was easier to upload photos cry.gif



Over all both are good, but it just got better with the HP nod.gif which is the new king on the block no monitor can touch within the 24'' category and this price range cool.gif



My summary.

Tn = LCD monitor on the cheap for crappy panels for people that like crappy colors, and images and very low viewing angles that make me want to puke.

IPS = Very good on all quarters. Currently they have caught up with TN in regards to contrast ratio. Mine for example has 1000:1 contrast ratio which is comparable to many main stream tn panels. Input lag is also perceptively low. Which is why IPS is the king of lcd monitors currently although it also remains the most expensive.

PVA = A middle ground between price and performance for people looking for better then a TN, but not as expensive as an IPS. I am selling my Dell 2405 FPW pva monitor for between the price of a PVA and a TN panel which is a pretty good offer. So pm me soon before it gets sold off nod.gif Free calibration with ICC profile provided using my Eye One Display 2 colorimeter as a bonus thumbup.gif


Pricings


TN < My Dell 2405 FPW < New PVA monitor such as the Dell 2408 < IPS

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Sep 13 2008, 03:25 AM
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post Sep 13 2008, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE(Eoma @ Sep 12 2008, 11:40 AM)
Rather than lower the resolution for "bigger" text, why not just increase the font DPI. It makes no sense to go low resolution. Have larger high resolution fonts.
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Many websites are hardcoding to 10 dpi, increase font DPI setting does not increase actual font size.


Added on September 13, 2008, 4:12 am
QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 12 2008, 09:46 AM)
Thanks for the tip. I've an ATI 4850 and output to a 22" Benq LCD via DVI and a SHARP LCD TV via HDMI.

I'm using the Sharp to watch movies. Currently it's very troublesome as i need to drag the apps over to the Sharp desktop, but since it's far away( about 12 feet or more), i can't see what i'm doing with the keyboard and mouse on that screen. doh.gif

I read that you can actually clone the monitor via software, but only saw it for Nvida cards and XP. VISTA seems to have do away with the cloning features.

Now the problem...since i need HDMI for my Shapr and DVI for my Benq...how do i split???
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I think you go for one interface if possible, HDMI or DVI only. Cloning two monitors shall less complicated than one monitor and one TV in your case.

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post Sep 13 2008, 09:18 AM

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Moogle Stiltzkin, good summary there. Well done bro!
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post Sep 13 2008, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 13 2008, 02:53 AM)

My summary.

Tn = LCD monitor on the cheap for crappy panels for people that like crappy colors, and images and very low viewing angles that make me want to puke.
You know, there is a lot (yes, is a lot) forumer using TN panels include me.
too bad my option have limited. So I choose to be Crappy KiD. icon_rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bro, did I make you puke? sweat.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 13 2008, 01:24 PM)
You know, there is a lot (yes, is a lot) forumer using TN panels include me.
too bad my option have limited. So I choose to be Crappy KiD. icon_rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bro, did I make you puke? sweat.gif
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Wakakakakaka i think i paid RM1060 4 days ago to make him puke (JUST)
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ok guys..why has my 'magic tune' software stopped working?before this the contrast was listed as "not available" but now the 'contrast' option is available but my "magicBright" option is not available instead..and changing the values of brightness and contrast etc in magictune wouldnt change anything on the screen..does it have anything to do with the NCE software i just installed? rclxub.gif

btw,i want to play around with the settings using the NCE sotwares from samsungs website..but im a bit confused since there are 3 types of downloads..anyone can explain them to me?
NCE Huey XP version(V.1.0.23)
NCE Eyeone display 2 XP version(V.1.0.23)
NCE Eyeone PRO XP version(V.1.0.23)

thanks in advance! smile.gif

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Hi everyone .. i just bought the benq G2400WD. What is AMA for and dynamic contrast is normally set to on or off?
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post Sep 13 2008, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Onion-KiD @ Sep 13 2008, 01:24 PM)
You know, there is a lot (yes, is a lot) forumer using TN panels include me.
too bad my option have limited. So I choose to be Crappy KiD. icon_rolleyes.gif
Sorry Bro, did I make you puke? sweat.gif
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That's a good one from a humble forumer. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Sep 13 2008, 06:42 PM

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Ayoh doh.gif please lah i not trying to be rude to fellow forumer.

I just saying cannot just assume TN is just as good as IPS panels and PVA panels because it just isn't true. For example some of the prices offered to me for my PVA monitor is so ridiculously low below a tn panel, how can this be sweat.gif My intent was to to help educate our fellow forumer mah. I have seen an experienced first hand now TN, PVA and IPS to help give a better summary of the pros and cons of the different lcd panel types.

I hope you guys/girls don't take offence cause no ill will was intended notworthy.gif Like our friend say, jangan kecoh hal hal sikit ni laugh.gif

My brother has a few TN panels but he is a professional gamer and he isn't fussy person like i am doh.gif So to him as long as game has no input lag and gives an ok image, then his just fine. So what i had meant was, if you aren't fussy and want a cheap monitor that is fast for gaming then yeah get TN, as it's on the cheap.

But for those who are like me who want the best more accurate colors, with the latest inputs such as hdmi/display port, 1900x1200 native resolution and pretty much overall picture quality with only a downside of slightly more input lag compared to TN ( which isn't by much in my honest opinion and i have not noticed any impact on gaming especially on my new HP LP2475W ), then PVA or IPS would be preferable if you don't mind spending more. You stare at the monitor the most so i would say investing some in a good monitor is worth it as a hobbyist nod.gif

Anyway i am glad i manage to persuade some of you to join my IPS club ^^ so just let them give you their feedback after having jumped over to IPS ok. Hopefully more will join us.


Onion-KiD - I noticed your using the Q6600 2.4ghz. Mine is the Dual Core E6600 2.4ghz by the way nod.gif very good price for performance at the time i bought it. Nephiliems look good but too poor to upgrade doh.gif My CPU is the limiting factor right now in my system with the index score of 5.3

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How to attach the lcd stand of new Samsung LCD?
I owned an old Samsung LCD, and the stand quite easy to install,
just bought the new model but failed to attach the stand to the lcd itself..
it seems like quite hard to attach it, i don want to spoil my lcd b4 using it..
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post Sep 13 2008, 09:37 PM

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I recommend you go to the samsung website and look for product support for your lcd monitor.

usually they would have a guide for attaching the panel to the base. This manual should have been provided with your monitor as well .....
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QUOTE(erxier @ Sep 13 2008, 09:15 PM)
How to attach the lcd stand of new Samsung LCD?
I owned an old Samsung LCD, and the stand quite easy to install,
just bought the new model but failed to attach the stand to the lcd itself..
it seems like quite hard to attach it, i don want to spoil my lcd b4 using it..
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Read the manual provided bro, b4 spoiling something biggrin.gif
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Can i get the 22" E228WFP lcd monitor online price at Dell Mid Valley Mega Mall ? Do they keep the lcd monitor stock in shop ?

Anyone know pls let me know about this.....Thanks.
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