hi guys...nice to see the genting thread continues here

we have discussed this croupier a.k.a dealer signature spins in the previous thread, anyway here are some of it extracted from
previous thread



even if you think you somehow have the magically capabilities to control the wheel right under the nose of Genting casino security surveilance,
hmm... I would like to add that all roulette wheels in Genting are 99% random, monitored and analysed automatically, in real-time by wheel-bias analyzing software purchased from tcsjohnhuxley, the software will alert the casino security far in advance when it detects 'phenomenal movements' of the roulette ball and seeing
it not landing in the number pockets randomly as its supposed to (standard and normal expected ball/wheel deviation are exempted),

I am attaching sample of the security software just in case if you never been to the genting gaming security room and curious to see
what software they use to stop the occurance of non standard random movements of the ball on the wheel!

So, if let's say I let the ball land in 35, 28, 12, 29, 7, 32, 25, 32, 0, 5, 17, 1, series wouldn't be random would it? Out of the 12 numbers, only 3 numbers are not in the 'zero-area'. I'm actually curious as to how the software works.

So based on your knowledge, if there's is a 'phenomenal movement, what will the security team do? Because I've never seen anyone get caught or something, let alone get warned by the security to make the spins more random.

Anyway, I did not post this in the last thread and this might be news to you.

The thing about phenomenal movement is, or 'magical' capability is that one dealer only deals the same table for 1h 20 minutes and it averages 15 - 20 games if there's 'phenomenal movements' since it'll attract a lot of attention and games would be slow, how are you going to fault the dealer for having this 'magical' capability, since, well, it's only 15 - 20 spins and that alone is enough for the wheel analyzer to work or something? Since the dealer changes every 1h 20minutes, would the software add up all the spins by the different dealer and conclude that it's 99% random, or is the statement based on analysis for each 1h 20 minute cycle? Every dealer has different style in their 'magical' capability and I think the analyzer might deem this as, well.....random. Because as I said before, 1hour 20 minutes is sufficient for dealers to make money by pakat-ing with the customers.

I see most people are sceptical of this 'magical' capability. Unless you have went in and deal a game yourself, I can't really blame you. Let me explain more about this style thing. Btw, spin means the speed of the ball.

A new dealer - Normally they don't know how to manipulate the results. They keep the wheel revs the same, and spin the ball as hard as they could since there were told to do so in training. So, results 'might' be random

A dealer who has 'magical capability' - There are 2 types, in general from what I saw. 1 goes for fast wheel fast spin, another is slow wheel, slow spin. I'd bet the security could see this for themselves. For each type of wheel, there are different 'techniques'. And the number of 'obstacles' - those shiny metal parts that makes the ball jump once they slow down matters as well. The style for the 'spoon' type and 'square bracket' type differs. The size of the ball matters as well. You couldn't really tell the size of the ball from....the top or as a customer, unless u really compare it, or you have touched it before.

There are 3 types of wheel of wheel for the 'spoon' type wheel differrentiable from the colour. Normally the yellow one makes the ball jump a lot, and is harder to manipulate, hence, random results. And the ones in IR, VIP etc are black and is much fancier but has the same 'scoop' as the yellow wheel.

For square brackets, the there are also 2 types, one has a deeper bracket, another is shallower.

The condition of the wheel, the small groove on the wheel that lets the ball travel matters, some are well, dirty and makes a loud noise, and makes the ball go slower as well, some are smooth, like the one for the electronics and makes the ball goes around 30 - 40 rounds before slowing down and drop when you spin it as hard as you can.

As to the 'obstacles' that I mentioned, there are certain spots on the wheel that when you start spining, at a particular spin speed, the ball would avoid the 'obstacle' and drop directly onto the wheel.

I almost forgot about the one with triangle brackets. Try to avoid it if the results are not 'random' enough.

There are so many factors in play that I can't really call it 'magical' anymore. It all depends on touch and it takes 2-3 spins for a dealer to get a 'touch' for the wheel. As I said before, on some wheel, no matter what you do, you can't get the 'touch', and the numbers go random. On times when you get the 'touch' and is lazy to work, the ball drops into places where there's less bet. Since this 'touch' thing is so subjective, from what I saw, there's no 100% success rate in getting it right.

I have no idea what tcsJohnHuxley did in producing the analyzer, but since the 'magical' way in manipulating result is so subjective, and sometimes lasts for 1 wheel, that is 1h 20 minutes, and the next dealer for that particular wheel has different style, how does the analyzer say what is random and what isn't random?

Would you care to explain more as to how the analyzer works?

This post has been edited by kaiserreich: Aug 17 2008, 12:52 PM

ya...i'm totally agreed with u...i was an ex-staff there 2...and i tried only 4 game in 1 hour 20 minutes...the person tad claims 384 games in 8 hours is playing online casino....somemore, roulette can be predicted , a fren of mine he pakat with customers and earn about 10k a month , and a supervisor/pitboss told me that she pakat with customer in vip last time when she was a vip dealer , she got 100k jz in one night bcz the customer won bout 800k++...well , i tried tad and sometime i got about 1k in a month for the pakat commission but now i ady quit..believe it, otherwise, try 2 work in casino and you will know when u got the experience..
you can't break the system but the only way 2 secure your winning streaks is 2 pakat with the dealer..

This post has been edited by zhiming: Aug 17 2008, 12:36 PM

but how to pakat with dealer ?

pls pm me the contact if have any

the management didn't suspect anything?
100k is a lot man, if Casino management found it, that person may end up in jail

genting casino managements and surveillance team must be
damn not doing their work for allowing you and your friends to control the outcome of the roulette

Anyone get caught before for doing pakat ?

no lah, where got caught one, all croupiers have a sleuth hands and can never be caught,
genting casino security teams are just a bunch of morons sitting there
and watching how croupiers rigging the wheel under their nose ..

This post has been edited by Joehans: Aug 17 2008, 08:24 PM

vip man....plus if the management noe that suddenly a vast amount of money flow into ur account , they can't do anything cz they doesn hv proof 2 take u 2 jail cz as u guys said tad de science claimed tad no one can predicte de outcome...plus, she ask her customer 2 bank in 3 different bank account , 30k++ in each account....de onli thing they can do is 2 fire u, cant charge u.....n 100k of commission in vip or elite or maxims room is a small matter...

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Added on August 17, 2008, 10:57 pmare u one of de casino management? try 2 get ur dealer in de casiono...find the expert 1....n bring more money and act like a big ka...they dowan a small fish..

This post has been edited by zhiming: Aug 17 2008, 10:59 PM

wow...a major scam in genting casino and nothing the casino management can do,
wow...wow...and more now with money laundering to different accounts....

..you're the man......this will definately make a nice story and potentially a movie script

if u really dont blif , go 2 genting , interview for de croupier....den 1 month of training and get into de casino and work for 1 or 2 years , then onli u ll noe wat i'm talking bout......seriously......

The term you are looking for is embezzlement.

"The largest uncaught and prolonged crimed in Malaysia" perhaps.

Lim kok thai will be mad if he found this thread.

they knew...as a result , they will keep recruit new dealers from china n eliminate those veteran...
for malaysian dealer , promote them or let them conduct the roulette game once or twice a month(bcz u need 2 practice and get de feel 2 spin,once they only conducted jz a few games in a month,somehow they will lost the feel but it still can get in back mayb in 1 or 2 hours ,that's why now u can see all de fresh dealers conducting roulette game instead of those senior dealers)..
no jail for that kind of scam cz no law in malaysia 2 against those scam since this is an islamic government...

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Added on August 18, 2008, 1:44 amreally?they did set up de microphone?only in hollywood? how bout cp 6A,7A,8A and IR roulette tables?

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Added on August 18, 2008, 1:45 amlast time i heard some AM and CSM say during their time, Tai Sai also can manipulated but just big and small only...but now they use the electronic 1 ady...

This post has been edited by zhiming: Aug 18 2008, 02:04 AM

I think you can use embezzlement to sue these people.

"Menggelapkan wang syarikat", since well, the croupiers are stealing money from the company and embezzlement carries jail sentence I believe.

for those china 1, they will send back to china...for those malaysian dealers , last time a fren of my bro dunno somehow he get caught due 2 pakat with customer, then de police only bring them 2 de lokap den after u paid bout RM 3500++ like tad ,then they will release u....but dunno tis is true or not la....but often dealers get busted bcz of pakat with customers since no proof from physics...they are not actually 100% predict the outcome but they can spin to certain area whether zero section or 5 section...

they didn't change the croupier?

so u ppl all mean theres only one way to win roulette which is to cheat? dowan cheating like pariah lah...
i want to play like a pro ... and i want pro betting tips here dowan listen to fairy tales, children stories

the highest record of chip i have been pushing to customer... 98pieces of 500 cash chip... dam gao heavy = ="

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Added on August 18, 2008, 4:23 amagree... LoL...

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Added on August 18, 2008, 4:25 ampro betting? lose until u pokkai.... there is no such thing as pro betting...

This post has been edited by shinobikit: Aug 18 2008, 04:26 AM