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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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yanniieee
post Apr 7 2009, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ Apr 6 2009, 10:07 PM)
Really? I have missed the malaysian studies class today.
No one inform me about the class .
Tomorrow got malaysian studies class , right?

Regarding the book , is that necessary ?
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how come you will miss the malaysian studies class?
tomorrow don't have malaysian studies class, only monday, every monday.
the book it's not necessary but i think if got the book it will be more easier?
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post Apr 7 2009, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Apr 7 2009, 12:07 AM)
how come you will miss the malaysian studies class?
tomorrow don't have malaysian studies class, only monday, every monday.
the book it's not necessary but i think if got the book it will be more easier?
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Coz i have no idea the malaysian studies in on every monday .
I dont even know the timetable of it.
The only timetable i have is LLB one.
But, purposely buy the book just to pass that test? Worth to do so ?
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post Apr 7 2009, 01:33 AM

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i've never understood the repercussions of not completing LAN papers...

but yea, i reckon the book may help, but if it is not a required purchase by the college, maybe it has its own notes and stuff.
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post Apr 7 2009, 04:24 AM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Apr 6 2009, 10:53 AM)
problem questions? were there problem questions in PL?

@ jhong

relax la. it's your first class. if u still find it difficult when you've finished your syllabus in march, then u are 'entitled' to get worried. i found PL easy...
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i remember something abt electoral law or something like that

QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Apr 6 2009, 08:33 PM)
for me personally, public law and english legal system is quite different..
english legal system is easier to spot question, and u can concentrate on certain topics..
but public law is the opposite.. u need to study everythin.. cos every chapter is interrelated..
i find public law interesting and els boring.. tongue.gif
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both of the subjects also can spot ler..just browse through previous past year Qs. That's how u wanna spot and be prepared in those frequent asked topics. It applies throughout ur whole degree life sleep.gif.

And i wish to disagree with u. If i remember correctly, i didn't find PL topics co-related o_O i read in topic by topic on its own o_O
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post Apr 7 2009, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(Xziled @ Apr 7 2009, 04:24 AM)
there is sleep.gif
i remember something abt electoral law or something like that
both of the subjects also can spot ler..just browse through previous past year Qs. That's how u wanna spot and be prepared in those frequent asked topics. It applies throughout ur whole degree life sleep.gif.

And i wish to disagree with u. If i remember correctly, i didn't find PL topics co-related o_O i read in topic by topic on its own o_O
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oh ok. i didnt do electoral.

and subject matter for PL is quite co related, tho the questions may not be all the time. i remembered my year had a question which mixed SOP and rule of law. i was like "HUH? for a few mins" but i did it anyway. i think they mix it here and there. but not always. i cant really remember much, but when i was doing PL, i was worried that they might mix major topics in questions because of the links that each topic has with another. and they did it with that sop ques for my year. im sure other years have their own weird mixtures...
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post Apr 7 2009, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Apr 7 2009, 11:15 AM)
oh ok. i didnt do electoral.

and subject matter for PL is quite co related, tho the questions may not be all the time. i remembered my year had a question which mixed SOP and rule of law. i was like "HUH? for a few mins" but i did it anyway. i think they mix it here and there. but not always. i cant really remember much, but when i was doing PL, i was worried that they might mix major topics in questions because of the links that each topic has with another. and they did it with that sop ques for my year. im sure other years have their own weird mixtures...
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I didn't do electoral law..it's just when u go through past year Qs, u will stumbled upon it. I dunno abt the mixing Qs, but it may be possible. But i dun remember encountering any of it during my year.
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post Apr 9 2009, 07:32 PM

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can i know what shud i do after i completed my a lvl if im interested in law. thanks
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post Apr 9 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(anson7 @ Apr 9 2009, 07:32 PM)
can i know what shud i do after i completed my a lvl if im interested in law. thanks
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Haha, of course you can.
After you have completed your A-levels , you should decide whether you want to read law locally or overseas.
Then you shall pay a visit to education fair or colleges that offer law degree.

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post Apr 10 2009, 06:12 PM

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Whoa... This thread is very informative... Keep up the good work.. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 10 2009, 07:05 PM

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lol...this thread is very informative la jay...for prospective law students..cheers everybody..


Added on April 10, 2009, 9:29 pmhi...can i ask nowadays in malaysia...when in the courts...wat languages are used to argue? BM or english?..thx for all ur info..

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post Apr 11 2009, 07:20 AM

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hi guys who reading law out there,
help me with some of my doubts, i have intention to take up law course in malaysia, i have business degree done in new zealand few years ago, and to say i have NO stpm or A level qualification as required to sit in CLP, is it wise to enroll as graduate entry for my law course? am i doomed for my life deem not to pratice law in malaysia even i got good degree of law afterward? i heard for graduate entry we only take 9 subjects instead of 12, so my good guess the tution fee will be lower, is this correct? many questions to ask, but up till now, thanks for any helps from you guys.. rclxm9.gif
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post Apr 11 2009, 09:46 AM

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I normal encourage others to ensure that they have the option or the opportunity to practise law. But it would differ depending on age. This encouragement remains the same even if you have no intention of doing so now. Should you decide to forgo this option, you may at any point in your career come to regret this decision as it somehow limited your opportunities.

Your tuition fee and examination fee will indeed be lower but you need to consider if it is even worth your time to take an LL.B for the sake of taking an LL.B knowing that there is a real possibility not to if not never have the opportunity to practise law at all.


Added on April 11, 2009, 9:47 am
QUOTE(yei09 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:05 AM)
lol...this thread is very informative la jay...for prospective law students..cheers everybody..


Added on April 10, 2009, 9:29 pmhi...can i ask nowadays in malaysia...when in the courts...wat languages are used to argue? BM or english?..thx for all ur info..
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for the lower courts, it is normally BM but for the high courts, it should be English and even if it is not, you may request leave to submit in English.
Judgments are written in English.

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post Apr 11 2009, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(dankok @ Apr 11 2009, 07:20 AM)
hi guys who reading law out there,
help me with some of my doubts, i have intention to take up law course in malaysia, i have business degree done in new zealand few years ago, and to say i have NO stpm or A level qualification as required to sit in CLP, is it wise to enroll as graduate entry for my law course? am i doomed for my life deem not to pratice law in malaysia even i got good degree of law afterward? i heard for graduate entry we only take 9 subjects instead of 12, so my good guess the tution fee will be lower, is this correct? many questions to ask, but up till now, thanks for any helps from you guys.. rclxm9.gif
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well, if u don't have a stpm or equivalent qualification, you cant join the bar. If u decide to further do the graduate entry programme, i assume with UOL, then u are definitely heading the wrong way, because graduate entry LLBs are not recognised for bar admission purposes

'3.1 The law degree SHALL contain a minimum of 12 substantive law subjects,'

Therefore, your two MAIN options are:
a) do the stpm or an equivalent qual of your choice, do a full LLB, do the CLP

b) do a graduate entry qual, do the uk bar
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:52 AM)
well, if u don't have a stpm or equivalent qualification, you cant join the bar. If u decide to further do the graduate entry programme, i assume with UOL, then u are definitely heading the wrong way, because graduate entry LLBs are not recognised for bar admission purposes

'3.1 The law degree SHALL contain a minimum of 12 substantive law subjects,'

Therefore, your two MAIN options are:
a) do  the stpm or an equivalent qual of your choice, do a full LLB, do the CLP

b) do a graduate entry qual, do the uk bar
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shall i "reserve" to A level? shocking.gif thats a regression! it wont make me any smarter, but just to satisfy the procedural thing for the state.... vmad.gif
anyway, if i have no intention to practice law, it shall do me no harm right?


Added on April 12, 2009, 12:04 amjust to share some of my thoughts, if i was asked why i read law, i would say just want to know about, and i think it is fun to know law. the idea of to be a lawyer and practicing law legally in the state seems not so tempting for me, let alone my opinion of the emergence of kangaroo court in our nation and their ultra conservative stance.
as said, i have done my tertiary education and currently in a decent job with a MNC, "cari makan" shall never be a concern for me with my current condition. however, im inquisitive of everything, law reading may just quench my thirst? drool.gif and im expecting intelligence to be challenged, rather just purely dull reading. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(dankok @ Apr 11 2009, 11:46 PM)
shall i "reserve" to A level?  shocking.gif  thats a regression! it wont make me any smarter, but just to satisfy the procedural thing for the state.... vmad.gif
anyway, if i have no intention to practice law, it shall do me no harm right?


Added on April 12, 2009, 12:04 amjust to share some of my thoughts, if i was asked why i read law, i would say just want to know about, and i think it is fun to know law. the idea of to be a lawyer and practicing law legally in the state seems not so tempting for me, let alone my opinion of the emergence of kangaroo court in our nation and their ultra conservative stance.
as said, i have done my tertiary education and currently in a decent job with a MNC, "cari makan" shall never be a concern for me with my current condition. however, im inquisitive of everything, law reading may just quench my thirst?  drool.gif  and im expecting intelligence to be challenged, rather just purely dull reading.  biggrin.gif
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yeah sure, a levels would be a good idea. it's really up to you to weigh your options, if you dun want to practice, a pre u prog will indeed do u no harm except cost u a few ks and time...

...and yes reading law is fun. exams....not so much! there are quite a number of people i personally know who have done the llb as a secondary degree, it is a good programme to stir the mind and develop analytical skills. Your inquisitive persona will definitely appreciate such a course, but it is important that u head to the right college. But i do hope you like to read, because u do need to read quite a bit if u intend to do well. Occasionally u'll encounter a very dry topic, i do think there are quite a number of topics among the subjects that are so. Some ppl however find the transition hard if they're first qualification is very technical. But with due diligence, it shouldn't be a problem...
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Apr 12 2009, 09:52 AM)
yeah sure, a levels would be a good idea. it's really up to you to weigh your options, if you dun want to practice, a pre u prog will indeed do u no harm except cost u a few ks and time...

...and yes reading law is fun. exams....not so much! there are quite a number of people i personally know who have done the llb as a secondary degree, it is a good programme to stir the mind and develop analytical skills. Your inquisitive persona will definitely appreciate such a course, but it is important that u head to the right college. But i do hope you like to read, because u do need to read quite a bit if u intend to do well. Occasionally u'll encounter a very dry topic, i do think there are quite a number of topics among the subjects that are so. Some ppl however find the transition hard if they're first qualification is very technical. But with due diligence, it shouldn't be a problem...
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Adding to the above, you should also expect some hard time for your hand during exam.You will have to write a lot of things in a limited time.So, your hand will usually get numb after exam.

As for the topics, I think most of them are interesting.I hardly find any topic that I want to skip it.
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thanks alsree786, schizophrenic (hm, not a encouraging nick if you a lawyer lol), and solstice818. haha, and thanks too for mentioning the hand jerking examinations, i still remember the day when i sat in my theory paper and spending the next 3 hours spitting every single drop of ink out from the pen icon_question.gif ...fortunately when you work, you dont write at all, we type only, haha, what a relief !
in fact, i did take one paper when i was doing my bca, it was something like LAW101, its about the introduction of common law, tort law, criminal law and contract. kinda interesting to read for me even that time i was still few years younger than now rclxms.gif
by the way, i really want to know, in law world, do people encourage you as self to think OUT OF THE BOX? is creativity a virtue in law world? would you defend the righteous one or the legal one? i really like to know where are the majority legal people stand in matter like this? or maybe i just need to spend long long time to find it out?
haiz, my mind is already boggling even im not in yet, haha, cheers


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QUOTE(dankok @ Apr 12 2009, 11:31 PM)
thanks alsree786, schizophrenic (hm, not a encouraging nick if you a lawyer lol), and solstice818. haha, and thanks too for mentioning the hand jerking examinations, i still remember the day when i sat in my theory paper and spending the next 3 hours spitting every single drop of ink out from the pen  icon_question.gif ...fortunately when you work, you dont write at all, we type only, haha, what a relief !
in fact, i did take one paper when i was doing my bca, it was something like LAW101, its about the introduction of common law, tort law, criminal law and contract. kinda interesting to read for me even that time i was still few years younger than now  rclxms.gif
by the way, i really want to know, in law world, do people encourage you as self to think OUT OF THE BOX? is creativity a virtue in law world? would you defend the righteous one or the legal one? i really like to know where are the majority legal people stand in matter like this? or maybe i just need to spend long long time to find it out?
haiz, my mind is already boggling even im not in yet, haha, cheers
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u'll find out soon when u hit Part II in Jurisprudence smile.gif
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QUOTE(Xziled @ Apr 13 2009, 04:28 AM)
u'll find out soon when u hit Part II in Jurisprudence smile.gif
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so i will only meet it in my third year? sweat.gif abit long for me..
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QUOTE(dankok @ Apr 13 2009, 05:10 AM)
so i will only meet it in my third year?  sweat.gif  abit long for me..
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hmm, as in if u wanna defend who and who..for starters before we go out to the real world and defend other ppl. Maybe u can try practising in Jurisprudence by defending ur favourite jurist and state which is the correct theory smile.gif

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