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Xziled	Nov 25 2008, 03:40 PM Return to original view \| Post #41
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 25 2008, 09:13 AM) 1. i dont know about u guys but I'd prefer to get it right the first time (or at least the second time around if avoidable) 2. If possible to link all references to its source, so as nto to mislead others. 3. Misleading others may cause others to misintepret and read awhole lot of unnecessary thread (like this one) especially in an Education thread, when such discussions shud be in kopitiam. 4. Don't feed the troll. not everything has its sources backed by authority eg.own experience, views and opinions + advice. As per Lord Denning, when he pretend to take out something from a cupboard full of law and authority, he created new law to avoid injustice to the poor little old ladies albeit whether it is good or bad law. Was there any authority to backed his judgement? I wonder which year r u in right now? and if u have done Juris, i'm sure u can visualize things from different perspectives and not only one part of it.
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Xziled	Nov 26 2008, 02:37 AM Return to original view \| Post #42
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(zohan @ Nov 25 2008, 11:30 PM) 1) no one wants misleading info but tat does not mean info w authority is 100% correct. 2) not wanting it x equal to not getting it. 3) interpretation itself is a subjective process. even the right info may include wrong interpretation. 4) JE penner wrote in the 4th edition of a Jurisprudence text (ouh, i'm screwed, i dun have an authority!)that no matter where we discuss the law, or its jurisprudence, it does not matter. he mentioned even pub. i supposed with more alcohol in that circumstance, kopitiam seems like a much better place. And i am not even mentioning old town kopitiam, or cafes like those. point 3 of the above seems to suggest that misleading info occurs a lot in kopitiam. albeit the facts is silent as to who is discussing it. if hypothetically, 2 presidents happen to discuss about top secret, national security or any important life and death situation in a "kopitiam", can we allow the discussion to be wrong and justified on the grounds that kopitiam discussion is allowed to be misleading? 5) My point 4 may be wrong. but if my interpretation is correct, then point 4 of aurora is also wrong. but if my interpretation is wrong, that does not goes to make aurora correct. 6) if u cant prove me wrong, does it make me more correct? 7) if u can prove me wrong, that does not make u right, or me more wrong, cos the interpretation of urs could be wrong. 8) if ur interpretation is wrong, can we also intepret that u express ur interpretation is also wrong too? 9) but if the way u express ur intrepretation is wrong, tat does not goes to show that the authority u quote is wrong! 10) but if the authority u quote is 100% wrong, but we intepret in a way that make u seem right, does it make u more right? I understand that this is an education thread, but If u can know 100% a way to determine right from wrong, why do we have a forum to begin with? i'm so blur reading ur msg lol but i guess i know what u r trying to say >_< QUOTE(irienaoki @ Nov 25 2008, 11:36 PM) so here people talk LAW only? any layman here? huhuhu currently doing law degree - 3rd year... but still not good with English hahaha hmm, not really..we can chat around i guess..or should we make another separate thread to talk amongst ourselves as law students if not someone will come complain that we chat like kopitiam style Btw, which college r u in? 3rd year meaning? final year? or scheme B o_O quite vague ur sentence xD can elaborate further? This post has been edited by Xziled: Nov 26 2008, 02:38 AM
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Xziled	Nov 26 2008, 01:44 PM Return to original view \| Post #43
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	Actually thought of creating a thread at Education thread since there r threads opened abt colleges and those specific courses Edit: I dunno where to put one..so maybe someone should take charge or shall we continue here? This post has been edited by Xziled: Nov 26 2008, 02:38 PM
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Xziled	Dec 2 2008, 11:47 PM Return to original view \| Post #44
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(cheoys @ Dec 2 2008, 08:19 PM) will you feel like dropping the course when you are studying? is it hard? im affraid i cannot handle. TT if u r in ur final year, i dun think u will kua? 1. wasting time 2.wasted money xD so better just get it together and finish it
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Xziled	Dec 3 2008, 11:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #45
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	nth is easy leh xD but of course if u r the one choosing, obviously u chose something that u like to do and enjoy doing it so y the need to abort it halfway? unless the path was chosen for u xD
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Xziled	Dec 5 2008, 01:14 AM Return to original view \| Post #46
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 3 2008, 11:37 PM) but also..why some parents like to choose the path for their children since their children is not interested with? like what the movie said? "Its all for your own good" =.= hmm, it's to some extent true. At least u got a degree, cert. or some qualification to get u somewhere other than ur SPM cert. QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 4 2008, 06:57 PM) but whatever parents choose the pathway for their children and they dont like it..how? obey their parents? any idea to stand out and say that they want to study law? Hmm..well like any other obedient child, just do what ur parents insist u on doing unless u already made up ur mind which course u wanna take or take that degree 1st just to please them then take another after that which is ur choice lor I plan to take up aviation at 1st also though but due to my parents' conservative thinking that eg. high risk job, terrorists bla bla..so end up also didn't take lor..but i'm still thinking abt it whether to take it up after my law degree ler..though the test to qualify as cadet pilot hard also as i've heard xD
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Xziled	Dec 5 2008, 04:17 PM Return to original view \| Post #47
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 5 2008, 02:22 AM) hmm? so you mean u dont want to take up law as well? but u have to follow your parents? then your 3 years will be wasted =/ I wouldn't say it has been wasted, at least i have something to fall back on ler..and law degree doesn't mean have to practice only ler..there r still few options available ler..no sweat
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Xziled	Dec 5 2008, 10:27 PM Return to original view \| Post #48
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 5 2008, 08:03 PM) like this..i told my dad that i want to take up law from UOL external..he said its no good,he keep saying government university is the best =.= i dont want government university..so many rules to follow up..he keep saying this benefit that benefit,how? Added on December 5, 2008, 8:04 pm at least get some experience? btw, u mean u're not going to take CLP already? Hmm, i prefer private uni. If u r planning to work just in M'sia then maybe local uni is viewed as being a good thing but if u were to venture out overseas, u'll be in the losing end. IMO, i think it's better to take a law degree from UK which obviously must also be accredited and also recognized here in M'sia ler.. Y dun u talk and discuss with ur dad abt it. What's the reason of him wanting u to go to a local uni? cheaper? i think my college and also few colleges like ATC, Mentari has the cheapest prices already to offer Law compared to HELP, Taylors etc. It's ur future so i think u have the right to also decide for urself. As for my case, i will do my CLP also to practice as a lawyer next time but the plan to take up aviation is not 100% because i just heard that AirAsia has just changed its policies and not so openly sponsor u as a cadet pilot. Now have to pay 30k upfront to them and they'll help u find a bank to give u a loan for the course which is around 170-200k! and the tests is quite hard xD And i dunno whether the 30k is refundable or not lol
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Xziled	Dec 6 2008, 12:55 AM Return to original view \| Post #49
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 5 2008, 10:39 PM) My dad want me to study local uni because he believe that after study in local uni 100% sure sure sure can get job. He said all those private college is just cheating money and they dont guaranteed you can get job after u graduate while local uni can. but i still dont want to study local uni =.= i told him bac is the cheapest private college to study but still he stand for local uni. guess what, he believe what he listen from his friend more than his own daughter. Hmm, i thought u're opposite sex from what i thought? but how come you will plan to take up aviation? i thought only... ? Local uni doesn't gurantee u a job i think. o_O It depends on urself isn't it? y does it depend on which uni u graduate from? o_O doesn't make sense. Hmm, y girl taking up aviation cannot de meh? o_O
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Xziled	Dec 6 2008, 08:11 PM Return to original view \| Post #50
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 6 2008, 01:13 AM) i guess they support local uni more than private one? hmm..i dont know them. can,but malaysia got girl take aviation? =/ Added on December 6, 2008, 2:44 am btw, did you just said that if we want to work oversea we cant take local uni? which mean if we want to work oversea then the cert from local uni its totally useless? i didn't say the cert is useless. But in my view, i do not think that our local uni's r prestigious in any way lor? Maybe to the employers overseas, they've never heard of it also before but nevertheless may employ u i guess? What i'm trying to say is that if u mentioned our local uni's abroad, i dun think many would even heard abt it whilst u mention other uni's like Harvard, Oxford, Yale, UOL, King's College bla bla..they'll go like 'wowwwww" (maybe a lil'extreme) but this is how i would perceive it la xD Btw, our local uni is not even top 100 in the world xD maybe somewhere between top 600? 598 or 599 maybe? lol
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Xziled	Dec 7 2008, 05:15 PM Return to original view \| Post #51
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 7 2008, 12:55 AM) lol. yes,whenever we mention bout those popular uni's they will give reaction like 'woww' i agree with you! hahaha. btw, uol is in top 100? o.O UOL is no.8
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Xziled	Dec 7 2008, 10:20 PM Return to original view \| Post #52
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Dec 7 2008, 08:55 PM) i reli hope tat clp will be abolished by the time i finish my external llb programme.. but seeing wat is written in tis thread i highly doubt tat it will happen when i'm still studyin.. heck, llb programme is edi hard enuf le... wat bout clp... the oni thing good bout local uni is tat u can skip clp and proceed to chamberin.. Hmm, i think is u wanna compare LLB and CLP, LLB is still easier because u get to write abt ur opinion in ur answers and u get examiners' report each year to tell what mistakes students has made and there is transparency in the system whilst CLP is all abt procedure and i think u got to do 7-8 papers in that 9 months? and u dun get marks, just whether u fail or pass..u won't know where u did wrong and all and of course the quota xD QUOTE(cheoys @ Dec 7 2008, 09:08 PM) erm.if im taking SAM at taylors. can i take their law degree and go U.Reading? Hmm, i'm not sure whether they recognize SAM or not because i wanted to do the same thing back then, and i was advised to do A'lvls instead of SAM because the Board didn't expressly state that SAM would be recognized but i have a friend who did her SAM in Taylors and was told that she could continue with a Law degree but i'm not sure whether her law degree is a UK or Australian based one. QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 7 2008, 09:10 PM) !?!!??!....where'd u get that from? Hmm, my lecturer was just commenting abt C.Hare with his qualifications then he said he search the top universities list and told us in class. Hmm, but then again i checked the list provided in the forum and also double-checked it, I dun c UOL anywhere unless it's the Queen Mary, UOL, London? o_O is that so?
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Xziled	Dec 8 2008, 03:08 PM Return to original view \| Post #53
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(alsree786 @ Dec 7 2008, 10:43 PM) as i said, UOL comprises of a number of unis/cols, i have no idea where he got the number 8 from. i checked Sjtu and thes and none of the unis are at no 8. hmmm... Hmm, dunno ler..but i know UCL is a sub-division of UOL also. QUOTE(cheoys @ Dec 7 2008, 11:54 PM) These are the entry requirements for the Law degree programme in Taylors. PROGRAMME DURATION 3 years (2+1 with the University of Reading, U.K.) A Levels : C C C STPM : B B C+ ICPU : 72% (6 passes with an average of 72%) SAM : 72% (5 passes with a raw score of 72% and no subjects below 11/20) UEC : Aggregate 18 points (6 passes excluding Chinese/ Bahasa Malaysia) so i think SAM should be no problem right? can you help me confirm that with your friend?hehe.thanks alot. i dun really keep in touch with her wor..the last i heard she was at UK lor so maybe the others here can assist u ler Added on December 8, 2008, 3:11 pm QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Dec 8 2008, 12:46 PM) tat's y i hope tat clp would be abolished by the time i finish llb... which is around 2-3yrs later? i heard a lot of ppl failin clp makin me frightened.. unless i'm not goin to become practicing lawyer then i need not worry... btw takin edexcel law a-lvl isnt tat bad either.. i've taken it and i manage to get through.. but edexcel is no where near llb... juz for ur info.. which year r u in? and which college u go to? This post has been edited by Xziled: Dec 8 2008, 03:11 PM
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Xziled	Dec 8 2008, 05:24 PM Return to original view \| Post #54
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(irienaoki @ Dec 8 2008, 03:13 PM) just got my result few........ shud be layman ahahaha what result? o_O
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Xziled	Dec 8 2008, 10:32 PM Return to original view \| Post #55
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Dec 8 2008, 06:23 PM) currently yr1 le... nw at segi college s'wak... hearin the passin rate reli scares me.. eesh.. yr3 oni 1 student manage to pass all subjects.. heck.. year 1 meaning intermediate or Part 1? or should i ask 1st which course u r taking? coz now i'm assuming u r taking london external? if u r one of those years, still okay wert, maybe CLP will be abolish by then. But for me, i guess it won't happen.
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Xziled	Dec 9 2008, 01:51 PM Return to original view \| Post #56
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	so meaning u r in Intermediate i presume? I'm in my final year which is Part 2, hopefully graduating by next year lor
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Xziled	Dec 11 2008, 12:04 AM Return to original view \| Post #57
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(compunoob46 @ Dec 10 2008, 07:31 AM) yea.. juz finished my a-lvl.. startin intermediate oni... comparin a-lvl and llb they are totally different.. a-lvl oni requires u to memorize statutes and cases while llb wants ur opinions more.. But A'lvl, it seems the marking scheme is more strict ler..LL.b Inter is always described as a "walk in the park" or honeymoon year whilst Part 1 is the determining year where London will filter those weaker students already. And Part 2, they'll be more generous to pass u. It'll be either a fail, pass or flying colours, rarely there will be referrals.
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Xziled	Dec 12 2008, 01:57 PM Return to original view \| Post #58
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(belasah @ Dec 11 2008, 08:29 PM) where public U got Pre-Law? i saw a thread with Pre-Law at UiTM if i'm not mistaken, u can ask around there
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Xziled	Dec 16 2008, 02:40 AM Return to original view \| Post #59
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(toux @ Dec 15 2008, 10:10 PM) Hi, just wanna ask if any HELP law students are here, is it better to go for the jan intake or july intake? Any difference? Sorry if this is a very 'duh' question but I'm really pressed for time. what course r u taking 1st? UK? Aussie? o_O if UK, normally the semesters always start in Sept. If i'm not mistaken eg. Jan/July intake 2009, u will sit for the exams in may/june 2010.
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Xziled	Dec 18 2008, 02:46 AM Return to original view \| Post #60
Assasin CrossX Senior Member 602 posts Joined: Jun 2006 From: Puchong	QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 17 2008, 11:06 PM) I have a question.. example after u took your degree in UOL external programme after that CLP then you can become a lawyer in malaysia then how to become a judge? working experience? or want to study master phd? i dun think judges need PhD " Master in my college, i heard from my lecturer is that a full-time lecturer in my college needs to have a Masters. Judge - working experience + u need to sit for a test and even though after u r a judge also there's always tests each year and also if u wanna move up to those higher courts of course. But in M'sia i'm not sure and rumours is always that in M'sia, u need clicks or connection if u wanna get in easily.
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