QUOTE(yanniieee @ Dec 21 2008, 07:13 PM)
i always like the style u reply people's replies. somehow i found that u are cool
QUOTE(zohan @ Dec 22 2008, 09:45 AM)
I think ATC is a good place to start UOL external. Just to see the UOL ext culture here in Msia.
Of cos BAC is not bad a place, but like one said above, it's indeed more well established with its CLP.
There is a recent rise of one particular smaller college, it's name is Mentari School of Law. near to ATC. The college has consistently produced 2nd uppers for the 2 or 3 years they are there, and from what i heard, most students actually scored well from there.
Some points to note if study in ATC.
1) they are too good in selling.
many of times the statistics shown are not the real stats. the failure rate is way higher than wat was perceived in the advertisements
2) too many cooks spoil the soup
too many lecturers teaching on one subject matter. the more maybe the merrier but not in this case. in the end, when subjects like trust or jurisprudence wic involves a lot of framings come into places, u get too many frames frm too many diff lecturers. thats how the maj flunk their 2 most difficult subjects for the respective yrs.
3) a foolproof syst is indeed a fool's improve system.
ATC market and express in such a way that failing is difficult and if u stay w them, u will just follow the flow and beocme one of their success story in no time. but in reality, its just a syst keep on insisting on improving the fools who believe in it. if u r working in it, perhaps u will noe how much income they gain for repeating students, who tries to improve themselves. go to class every yr and fail every yr. doint the same thing in hope of a diff result.
some of the 'mature students' there aren't exactly mature students when they came to ATC. they turn into one after yrs of brewing in ATC. Some of these students will move to other college like Mentari or sometimes even BAC to take up internals.
4) newbies lecturer
The only way that ATC could run such big volume on cheap labour costs is to hire the average joe newbies. means student who graduated last yr can teach almost the many classes this yr. cos its cheap to do so. the first yr wudnt noe. some of the part1 wud noe but they say its a norm, and they are 2 yrs my senior anyway so they'd better be good. the part 2 will dislike and complain but eventually after 4 months and exams nearer they gave up complaining and just change to the part 1 mindset.
(to see a distinct comparison,in Brickfields Asia College(BAC), i heard that they only hire the BEst of newbies, in which only when the newbie is a 2.1 of the tops unis, or the 1st classes, and they only serve as student mentor, not doing lectures. All if not most lecturers in BAC has LLM. over and above that, there is a rising frequency of BAC having actual UOL examiners and subect guide authors to come to BAC and do 60 hours Classes for certain subjects!)
But despite all has been said and done, ATC still has the BEST results from UOL exams 2008. With 14 2nd uppers and 1 first class. I heard at least 2 students there got the only As for Jurisprudence and the lists may go on. Plus, their Convocation is held in KL convention centre every yr and ppl like Wayne Morrison (the course director of UOL ext) stands as one of the indirect or direct endorsement of their achivements.
If u really have to do ONE law degree wholly in Malaysia, i would say UOL external is the best choice. Defly better than IPTAs and others.
Added on December 22, 2008, 10:48 amI dunno abt ATC whether it's good or bad or whether the rumours r true or not so heck it! Those who wanna try it out can do so ler..if u dun like it after 1 year then change ler
u can listen and read all the testimonials abt the rest of us have to say but u will never know till u experienced for urself unless u wanna take our word for it coz all of us here come from different institution and either we'll all encourage u to join ours or criticize others so in the end it's all up to u to decide what's best for u and ur future.
But i do agree with zohan that BAC do invite the UOL examiners each year to come during revision time and also for lectures during a period of time. Recently, Claire who is the chief examiner for Land Law was here for the benefit of the Part 1 students ler..i know she does marks land and trust subjects since last year she came down for my year also and for Tort which i can't remember the name xD some mat salleh with pony tail >_< which is also one of the UOL examiners. For Part 2 , Wayne Morrison also made a stop at our college for a day to briefly do some jurisprudence with us. And from what i heard, when he was at ATC, he asked the students questions and when they couldn't answer him, they got some scolding i think.
This year for Part 2 and in the subjects i'm taking, there r new tutors who r like support staff to the main lecturers r also our senior which just completed their LL.b last year and also currently taking their CLP in BAC. The tutor who is tutoring for Succession is a student of BAC back when she was doing her LL.b and 1 tutoring Company and Conflicts was from Mentari last time and according to him, he was the top 14 students in M'sia ler..xD (he sometimes brag abt it in class) But all in all, they r a helpful bunch of ppl.
Hmm, just to add something..is it me or BAC is advertising quite a lot these days especially on the radio
newspapers quite a bit too. I as a student have my concerns and think they ought to use the money to improve the college ler..the damn lift sucks
" as there r more students now in the college, there's only 1 lift working in the building, should at least maintain it coz it's really slow xD If they could have a campus, it would be much better instead of taking over the buildings around lol
Dec 19 2008, 01:32 AM
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. And generally it's mentioned as "reading law", so y dun u argue and have a debate with those who "invented" the English language or such expressions like this.
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