University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer
University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer
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Oct 18 2008, 11:21 PM
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err..have no idea. Enlightenment plz
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Oct 20 2008, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(coldblood @ Oct 19 2008, 07:18 PM) yeah thanks for the info. i am still new to law but very interested. The problem with UWA is that it only offers double degree if i opt fr law which is equivalent to 6.5 years which is very expensive. do u mind sharing and telling me which australia university is good and yet still recognized by the Malaysia government(just in case). it depends whether Aussie needs that type of expertise or not, but well u can try..no harm in that. U can check the immigration website ler..to check which skill/profession they need. Though the last time i checked lawyers wasn't on the list.from the education agency, dey only told me about uwa ,utas and murdoch. Uwa has an TER of 96 , murdoch 90+, Utas 90+ If i go for my LLB in Perth, does it mean i stand a better chance at getting employment there? |
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Oct 20 2008, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(alsree786 @ Oct 20 2008, 09:09 PM) legal practiotioners are on the SOL, namely barristers and solicitors, so u have to take the necessary qualifications in order to be considered such. Other legal practitioners without practicing certs will have to apply for assessment to see whether they have the required experience, qualifications to be considered as legal secretaries etc. Lawyers are however not on the MODL. QUOTE(coldblood @ Oct 20 2008, 09:57 PM) I am sorry because i have very limited knowledge regarding this. What exactly is SOL and MODL. do u mind to explain? thanks yes, i'm also a bit lost so plz care to elaborate.btw which country do you think is good for a lawyer to have a bright future? i heard its very hard to practice law in the UK for us malaysians |
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Oct 22 2008, 05:05 PM
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Oct 22 2008, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(coldblood @ Oct 22 2008, 05:06 PM) haha thanks RBR. Nothings more enlightening then a real life advocate giving me advice haha. Hopefully in a few years time i will meet u at melbourne haha. As far as i know, those who wanna take BAR in the UK must be at least also employed in one of the firms in UK there in order to qualify for the BAR. And in UK, the firms of course would rather choose their own skin and colour 1st before us. As for grades i'm not sure but obviously it will also be an important factor leryeah i would like to know the success rate of this career path too( just for extra info). i dont know anyone that studies law and practice it at the UK. Its very tough right? What if I am very smart and I am a Cambridge student? will i defeat local law students and get employment? |
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Oct 22 2008, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(yanniieee @ Oct 22 2008, 05:42 PM) barrister and advocate is similar to solicitor or lawyer here in M'sia. But because m'sia dun bother abt these expressions so they always just call lawyers. But in UK there is a difference but then i forgot what they stand for xD maybe the others can help |
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Oct 24 2008, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE(jones007 @ Oct 24 2008, 10:03 PM) i think every country recognizes it but then to practice in other countries which its law is different from the UK, u have to sit for some kinda of assessment test or maybe take a course in their country for maybe 1 year like that lor..or something like that. Plz correct me if i'm wrg. |
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Nov 1 2008, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE(history-maker @ Nov 1 2008, 12:44 AM) just wondering..... is there any difference of going for twinning and doing a UOL??? Hmm, twinning it is compulsory for u to go overseas at least for a year..UOL no difference, u can do it externally or choose to go UK also can.and being a legal advisor is clp needed? Legal Advisor no need CLP but it also dpends very much on the job requirements of that specific firm lor.. |
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Nov 5 2008, 01:05 AM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 4 2008, 10:53 PM) yes.. Hmm, i wonder then y 1 of my friend who did UWE till year 2 but now have to take UOL and retake Inter again because wanna accompany gf so that they can go to UK together..now she commenting that UOL and UWE syllabus is different and it's much harder. Though she got 2nd class uppers in UWE.I did twinning program 1+2 actually... so i will advise u on this area. The exposure r greater, in terms of ppl, knowledge, learning and so forth. You will be covering more dept in most subjects compared to what u study (say ur 1st or 2nd yr is in Malaysia). Of course u'd be spendin a whole lot more compared to just doing UOL. Recognition, if twinning offers u a prestigious University go for it... it makes job hunting easier. UOL (aka london ext) is also quite a well known paper, so i suggest u might want to take into consideration that if u were to go abroad make sure the degree cert on offer is at least at par with ur UOL degree. I dont think i need to say much abt twinning, u've been bombarded left right and center what u can do while abroad. I just highlight the small things that u might wanna take note. |
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Nov 6 2008, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:12 PM) Cardiff... i think my batch was the last to have the University of Cardiff cert, now its known as University of Wales. I believed pre 2005 there was a massive merger of Welsh universities. Anyway, whether my friend waste money or not it doesn't matter and not concerning the topic also General perception is Degree gets u to the foot mat outside the door and the rest depends on ur skill to convince the inerviewer. Your certificate rather than ur twinning prog would make a difference but prolly just 2% chance that it would affect the interviewers decision to employ u. in % terms its small, but in an interview for a job every % counts... from how u dress, talk etc... Note. i said made some difference, but not a whole lot, **** Xziled "Hmm, i wonder then y 1 of my friend who did UWE till year 2 but now have to take UOL and retake Inter again because wanna accompany gf so that they can go to UK together..now she commenting that UOL and UWE syllabus is different and it's much harder. Though she got 2nd class uppers in UWE." I wonder why he wanted to waste so much $ just to accompany his gf, well not the first case i've heard of anyway. Well syllabus difference, i got no comment on it depends on the Uni actually or the lecturer concern. I heard the same thing too for UOL, its much harder compared to doing your law degree in UK Uni's but than again... It's a matter whether ur lecturer can get the msg through to the students and students understanding the subjct matter. But the subject matter taught in UWE is different and more brief i guess. Even i heard from the staff in my college saying that can easily pass or maybe a B without any conclusion in ur essays. even for Uni of Northumbria also the syllabus r almost the same except for a few which is more to cover but not in depth. Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law. QUOTE(eujin2005 @ Nov 5 2008, 07:48 PM) any one know whats is the basics requirement for pre law? After SPM, take A'lvls 1st before taking up any law degree programme i guess. Applicable for most law courses, BOJ i not sure and is form 5 school forcast result able to enter? |
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Nov 6 2008, 11:34 PM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 6 2008, 09:12 AM) Anyway, whether my friend waste money or not it doesn't matter and not concerning the topic also Lol, well forgive me..imo, those taking UWE wants the easy way out and of course in the course of doing so spends using more $$. If claiming that going abroad is the reason to be exposed to different experiences and cultures, u also can do that in UOL. So anyway heck it.lol, had to reply to it since you left the statement there. But the subject matter taught in UWE is different and more brief i guess. Even i heard from the staff in my college saying that can easily pass or maybe a B without any conclusion in ur essays. even for Uni of Northumbria also the syllabus r almost the same except for a few which is more to cover but not in depth. Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law. Whether the syllabus is simpler, easier to pass, or how the examination takes place is of little importance so long its recognized and accredited by the relevant agencies in UK (or that matter if ur plannin to practice in My, recognized by the Malaysian Bar) Btw, it is clarified previously that i said that ppl who take the course from Uni of Northumbria cannot practice here in M'sia if they do it locally unless they go over there and do it or u can practice but u have to sit for the BAR hence for the compulsory subject of EU law I find this sentence misleading are you really and absolutely sure that Uni of Northumbria graduates cant practice in My? sry too lazy to find the link, but i suggest u read page 1 some hints here and there or the Malaysian Bar web site. After SPM, take A'lvls 1st before taking up any law degree programme i guess. Applicable for most law courses, BOJ i not sure alternative STPM... read the Malaysian Bar web site for qualification & requirements For Uni of Northumbria, my friend is taking it so that's what i heard. U can practice it if u do the BAR or continue ur last year in UK. Those who r taking that path can go research themselves if they want. |
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Nov 7 2008, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 7 2008, 09:31 AM) If u have such a view, well ur definately entitled to it no matter how right or wrong it may sound but my personal opinion is that you should refrain from making bias and unproductive statements. I do not think it's unproductive and bias because if ppl is asking abt the comparison between these 2 programmes, it would definitely be relevant to them. Hearing from someone somewhere and knowing something for a fact is important, if ur a lawyer trying to dispense advise by hearing it from somewhere I'd be very concerned as a Client. gd luck to u. Secondly, it's true that my statements may not be accurate, but too bad sue me if u do not like it..Others can clarify with it and double check with it and obviously they should. I, myself would had done so including after reading from the 1st page. |
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Nov 8 2008, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Nov 7 2008, 11:28 PM) Name me anyone who had actually completed their LL.B from Northumbria without going to the UK for their 3rd year (excluding distance learning programme). The programme from Uni of Northumbria just started here in my college this year as in they can do it locally without going there for the final year, so the ppl in my class (quite a number of them) r the 1st batch of ppl. So if u wanna know the results, wait till next year after the exams. I can name damn hell a lot of ppl but i guess, it's of no use coz u won't even know them..what for u wanna know the names? You'll get your answer this way. No point discussing this matter further as it seems to be taking a wrong turn in this thread. If u have doubts, come BAC and ask for urself. Cheers~ |
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Nov 9 2008, 05:56 PM
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If u want clarification from the Qualifying Board and all, nope, i dun think i will go through the hassle to find out because in the 1st place i'm just sharing what i know. Then just erase or forget the stuff that i've shared. As i mentioned, to those who have doubts can just check with the respective colleges /uni's to find out more abt the routes.
Btw, i wouldn't want to take up ur task for providing info, guess u're the only 1 free to do it This post has been edited by Xziled: Nov 9 2008, 08:29 PM |
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Nov 10 2008, 02:11 PM
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Nov 10 2008, 09:59 AM) This thread is an education thread, I believe those who contributed did so with their own experience and their own free will to do so to guide those who would like to pursue a career in the legal profession on the right track. Like many students who are "Ignorant", who do not bother about finding out further information into the courses they r taking... end up either: A) DOING COURSES NOT ACCREDITED/RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFIYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR; B) DID NOT DO THE REQUISITE SUBJECTS REQUIRED TO QUALIFY AS A SOLICTOR AND ADVOCATE IN MALAYSIA OR IN THE UK; & C) GOING TO COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR. As i mentioned, to those who have doubts can just check with the respective colleges /uni's to find out more abt the routes. I am not suprised one day to find a thread saying, the College/Uni told me that the College/Uni was accredited by the Malaysia Gov fr a particular course but how come my degree got rejcted after completeing the 5 yrs course and spending Rm XX-XXX!? Life is too short for such mistakes, 5 yrs wasted a paper degree turned into toilet paper and after spending thousands of ur parents hard earn money. Whereas asking for such crucial information could have savd you all the above problems. I hope you read newspapers cause such things do happen. Btw, i wouldn't want to take up ur task for providing info, guess u're the only 1 free to do it If u think the idea of contributing to a forum is such a waste of time, why r u still here? QUOTE This thread is an education thread, I believe those who contributed did so with their own experience and their own free will to do so to guide those who would like to pursue a career in the legal profession on the right track. Your statements r so contradicting, 1st say dun mind ppl's own views and opinions and then counter it with something else? 2nd, i DID contribute with my own experiences and u want me to substantiate it with official Qualifying Board's verification? Do u c in daily life or daily routine if i experienced anything in my studies actually have anything to do with the QB? QUOTE Like many students who are "Ignorant", who do not bother about finding out further information into the courses they r taking... end up either: A) DOING COURSES NOT ACCREDITED/RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFIYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR; B) DID NOT DO THE REQUISITE SUBJECTS REQUIRED TO QUALIFY AS A SOLICTOR AND ADVOCATE IN MALAYSIA OR IN THE UK; & C) GOING TO COLLEGES & UNIVERSITIES NOT RECOGNIZED BY THE MALAYSIAN GOV, THE MALAYSIAN QUALIFYING BOARD AND THE UK BAR. As i mentioned, to those who have doubts can just check with the respective colleges /uni's to find out more abt the routes. I am not suprised one day to find a thread saying, the College/Uni told me that the College/Uni was accredited by the Malaysia Gov fr a particular course but how come my degree got rejcted after completeing the 5 yrs course and spending Rm XX-XXX!? Life is too short for such mistakes, 5 yrs wasted a paper degree turned into toilet paper and after spending thousands of ur parents hard earn money. Whereas asking for such crucial information could have savd you all the above problems. I hope you read newspapers cause such things do happen. Who's being ignorant? o_O i'm already in my final year of degree. I'm not asking nor seeking any advise or views also? i'm just answering those who have questions. Common sense will kick in, and that ppl gotta verify and check properly before registering into a uni. Even though, we provide tons of info..doesn't gurantee that someone wouldn't get conned isn't it? Btw, for the last statement..i think i didn't mentioned it clearly that by taking his task is to go through all the hassle to find sources and what not. Life and being a lawyer doesn't mean you got to know every single detail or knowledge eg.all the cases or the info on routes to be a lawyer. In reality, u think that all lawyers know everything? Guess u never heard of learning the art of perception and art of bullshyting? i bullsh!t through all my exams though with little help of cases and authority but hey! i'm still here rite? Ppl think i know a lot but actually i know just enough to pass my godd@mn exams. And when u come out to practice or even to working life, that's a whole new ball game altogether. So open your eyes a little wider to c the whole picture! |
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Nov 13 2008, 02:40 AM
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Nov 14 2008, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE(jhong @ Nov 13 2008, 07:09 PM) LOL....Finally , SI , DL and JURIES came out ,and i didnt really memories the points for juries . u took AS and A2 together in 1 shot? The question requires me to write down the arguments for lay Magistrate and Juries in court ..... I think i answered SI and DL quite well , but i think i screwed up the JUries and Magistrate question ! I hope it will be fine . At least i answered all 3 questions and almost most of my friends answer only 2 .... Worry about them lar.... Tomorrow is Law paper 2 turn .... Hurray ! and left only Tort , COntract , and sociology paper 3 ..... and i am done ! |
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Nov 14 2008, 04:21 PM
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Oh icic..
best of luck ya? if u pass, u got so long time to enjoy or maybe find part-time job if u want because intake is only in Sept for law degree for UK ler |
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Nov 21 2008, 12:48 AM
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Dun worry..u get another chance to do it better in LL.B
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Nov 24 2008, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(zohan @ Nov 24 2008, 11:07 PM) what happened to this? anyone not replying it? TQ, u're the only one that understands me I think Xziled is trying to help in the most convenient way he feels. It is not his intentions to be misleading with minimal authorities, although the effect of it can be. And i am sure he knows it or has already know it after reading the other replies to his. But i still think that this is not a courtroom and we should not be too overwhelmed by the fact that we are reading law, want to be lawyers, or is already one and start to be all authoritative about everything and anything. my opinion is that This is still a cyber forum which purpose is circulation of information, albeit misleading ones. and for that, Xziled, keep being active in the attempts to help the juniors, and also be open and chill to those constructive criticisms, if at all they are. |
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