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University Useful information for prospective law students, A basic guide to become a lawyer

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jhong
post May 11 2012, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 10 2012, 06:42 PM)
There's even a 3-year Diploma in law. No idea what that does ...
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Hahaha, well, it is something equivalent to UK transfer program. You'll have the option to transfer to University of Northumbria.


Added on May 11, 2012, 12:21 pm
QUOTE(razven.94 @ May 11 2012, 01:19 AM)
Segi is ok but sometimes i suspect it's the students who are rather lazy resulting in a big drop in results. But anyways, thanks for answering my questions. I have one more question here. Is it better to do all my 3 years of llb in kuching and then take CLP in KL or use credit transfer in the last year of my LLB to get into UOL in UK and go for English Bar ? Or maybe there's a better option ? Btw, i'm not really rich so the idea of going to UK is quite a headache ... possible to get scholarship ?
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Hmm, just so you know, you can still opt for BPTC with UOL degree without transferring to the UK.

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post May 11 2012, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 10 2012, 11:21 PM)
LLM from where? Do you intend to go into legal practice?


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Didn't even know Segi offers that.
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Thanks for replying. LLM from UOL as well smile.gif Well, I'm really not into legal practice, perhaps for a few years for the sake of experience and then I'll opt for corporate. It's just that City (formerly Inns of court) seems like a good opportunity and a good school, and i'm so happy they offered me a place but i feel bad spending so much there. sad.gif
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post May 11 2012, 04:33 PM

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Gonna sign up UOL external programme this week. Not gonna sign up any college though, gonna do self-study ! brows.gif

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post May 11 2012, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Khyra_abigale @ May 11 2012, 02:40 PM)
Thanks for replying. LLM from UOL as well smile.gif Well, I'm really not into legal practice, perhaps for a few years for the sake of experience and then I'll opt for corporate. It's just that City (formerly Inns of court) seems like a good opportunity and a good school, and i'm so happy they offered me a place but i feel bad spending so much there. sad.gif
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If you have the money, you may want to do the BTPC for the experience. But many people do it only to avoid the CLP. If legal practice is not your main aim, then maybe the CLP is a better choice. I opted for the CLP and saved the money for my Masters.


Added on May 11, 2012, 8:23 pm
QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ May 11 2012, 04:33 PM)
Gonna sign up UOL external programme this week. Not gonna sign up any college though, gonna do self-study ! brows.gif
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Not a good idea. I've been studying the law for almost 8 years and I'm still always confused. You need guidances.

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post May 11 2012, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 08:21 PM)
If you have the money, you may want to do the BTPC for the experience. But many people do it only to avoid the CLP. If legal practice is not your main aim, then maybe the CLP is a better choice. I opted for the CLP and saved the money for my Masters.


Added on May 11, 2012, 8:23 pm

Not a good idea. I've been studying the law for almost 8 years and I'm still always confused. You need guidances.
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you mean you study LLB for 8 years? so long? i know it's quite confusing..but i'm gonna give a shot still. biggrin.gif
I met one guy that studied himself for UOL external programme. and got a first class in LLB.

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post May 12 2012, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ May 11 2012, 11:18 PM)
you mean you study LLB for 8 years? so long? i know it's quite confusing..but i'm gonna give a shot still.  biggrin.gif
I met one guy that studied himself for UOL external programme. and got a first class in LLB.
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No, I've been studying the law for 8 years, and I will continue to do that for the next 80 years, provided that I live till then.
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post May 12 2012, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Khyra_abigale @ May 11 2012, 06:40 AM)
Thanks for replying. LLM from UOL as well smile.gif Well, I'm really not into legal practice, perhaps for a few years for the sake of experience and then I'll opt for corporate. It's just that City (formerly Inns of court) seems like a good opportunity and a good school, and i'm so happy they offered me a place but i feel bad spending so much there. sad.gif
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Speaking of UoL's LLM, i just received an offer from Queen Mary, University of London as well. I share the same concerns($$). Hmmm, if you're still intending to take LLM in the nearer future. Opt for CLP then ! smile.gif


Added on May 12, 2012, 12:24 am
QUOTE(hushpuppiesnike @ May 11 2012, 03:18 PM)
you mean you study LLB for 8 years? so long? i know it's quite confusing..but i'm gonna give a shot still.  biggrin.gif
I met one guy that studied himself for UOL external programme. and got a first class in LLB.
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Indeed, there are many successful alumni who graduated with flying colours as a private candidate in UoL. Out of the many, few of them actually taken private tuition( One of them received King's scholarship and eventually graduated with a first, another also successfully got a first in UoL). Since you're willing to give it a shot, i have to say UoL has very comprehensive study guides. Hence, it is not difficult in passing the exams.

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post May 12 2012, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 12:15 AM)
Speaking of UoL's LLM, i just received an offer from Queen Mary, University of London as well. I share the same concerns($$). Hmmm, if you're still intending to take LLM in the nearer future. Opt for CLP then ! smile.gif

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Any other offers?
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post May 12 2012, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 04:05 PM)
No, I've been studying the law for 8 years, and I will continue to do that for the next 80 years, provided that I live till then.
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Hmmm, Professor 'academic lawyer'......


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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 04:27 PM)
Any other offers?
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I applied only to QMUL because i think it is the only university that doesn't require application fees? What do you think about QMUL? I heard it's pretty famous in commercial & corporate. However, it is not highly ranked internationally.

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post May 12 2012, 12:43 AM

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Hmmm, Professor 'academic lawyer'......


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I applied only to QMUL because i think it is the only university that doesn't require application fees? What do you think about QMUL? I heard it's pretty famous  in commercial & corporate. However, it is not highly ranked internationally.
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I know it's good for IP, and probably commercial law. For LLM, reputation is everything. So you should try to get the best one that you can. Should try UCL and LSE.
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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 04:43 PM)
I know it's good for IP, and probably commercial law. For LLM, reputation is everything. So you should try to get the best one that you can. Should try UCL and LSE.
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Actually, i'm thinking of Bristol, Nottingham, Manchester(outside London); KCL and LSE(London). Anyhow, it is very likely that i'll only be taking LLM few years later. As of now, the major concern is CLP. sad.gif
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post May 12 2012, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 12:53 AM)
Actually, i'm thinking of Bristol, Nottingham, Manchester(outside London); KCL and LSE(London). Anyhow, it is very likely that i'll only be taking LLM few years later. As of now, the major concern is CLP. sad.gif
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No don't apply to so many. Just aim for a few. The university should be much more reputable than the one you got your LLB from. You want to 'upgrade'. I'm fine with Bristol and Notts. Both are good. But probably not Manchester, which has about the same reputation as Cardiff.

Other sexy choices include Durham and Edinburg.


Added on May 12, 2012, 1:04 am
QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 12:53 AM)
Actually, i'm thinking of Bristol, Nottingham, Manchester(outside London); KCL and LSE(London). Anyhow, it is very likely that i'll only be taking LLM few years later. As of now, the major concern is CLP. sad.gif
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Btw I know how rubbish CLP is. That's the worse thing I've undertaken.

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 04:56 PM)
No don't apply to so many. Just aim for a few. The university should be much more reputable than the one you got your LLB from. You want to 'upgrade'. I'm fine with Bristol and Notts. Both are good. But probably not Manchester, which has about the same reputation as Cardiff.

Other sexy choices include Durham and Edinburg.
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Hmmmm, really? THE Ranking In according to this ranking, Manchester seems to have a higher ranking than Bristol and Durham? True, upgrade is necessary. In fact i think QMUL is just about the same par with Cardiff. Of course, its law school is much more established than Cardiff Law School.


Added on May 12, 2012, 1:07 am
QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 04:56 PM)
No don't apply to so many. Just aim for a few. The university should be much more reputable than the one you got your LLB from. You want to 'upgrade'. I'm fine with Bristol and Notts. Both are good. But probably not Manchester, which has about the same reputation as Cardiff.

Other sexy choices include Durham and Edinburg.


Added on May 12, 2012, 1:04 am

Btw I know how rubbish CLP is. That's the worse thing I've undertaken.
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I have to concur. I think the proposed Common Bar Examination casts more practical value than this currently CLP. Anyhow, you passed it, importantly.

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post May 12 2012, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 01:05 AM)
Hmmmm, really? THE Ranking In according to this ranking, Manchester seems to have a higher ranking than Bristol and Durham? True, upgrade is necessary. In fact i think QMUL is just about the same par with Cardiff. Of course, its law school is much more established than Cardiff Law School.
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No you don't use the world ranking. In the case of law schools, you usually go by reputation. I'll put Cardiff on par with Manchester but behind QMUL, which has the UOL factor. But I'll put both Notts and Bristol ahead of QMUL.

I should also say something about 'upgrading'. Say an LLB from Bristol is more prestigious than an LLB from Cardiff. If the Cardiff LLB holder gets an LLM from Bristol, it doesn't put them on par. To surpass the Bristol LLB holder, the Cardiff LLB holder should get his LLM from a university more prestigious than Bristol, say UCL. So that's why I said that the LLM conferring university that you choose should be very much more prestigious than your LLB conferring university.

All are just my opinion though so take it with a pinch of salt.


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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 01:05 AM)
I have to concur. I think the proposed Common Bar Examination casts more practical value than this currently CLP. Anyhow, you passed it, importantly.
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I have recently attended a conference on the CBC. The amount of hostility by the public unis .... my god. So it will never happen unless the authorities decide to bulldoze its way.

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 05:14 PM)
No you don't use the world ranking. In the case of law schools, you usually go by reputation. I'll put Cardiff on par with Manchester but behind QMUL, which has the UOL factor. But I'll put both Notts and Bristol ahead of QMUL.

I should also say something about 'upgrading'. Say an LLB from Bristol is more prestigious than an LLB from Cardiff. If the Cardiff LLB holder gets an LLM from Bristol, it doesn't put them on par. To surpass the Bristol LLB holder, the Cardiff LLB holder should get his LLM from a university more prestigious than Bristol, say UCL. So that's why I said that the LLM conferring university that you choose should be very much more prestigious than your LLB conferring university.

All are just my opinion though so take it with a pinch of salt.


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I have recently attended a conference on the CBC. The amount of hostility by the public unis .... my god. So it will never happen unless the authorities decide to bulldoze its way.
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Applying to the university is very much a thorny process. This is especially when i need to ask for references. Thanks for your opinion. Would most probably consider on Bristol or Notthingham, lower living cost. Hmmm....your profile picture seems familiar.

So you're currently a lecturer?
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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 01:28 AM)
Applying to the university is very much a thorny process. This is especially when i need to ask for references. Thanks for your opinion. Would most probably consider on Bristol or Notthingham, lower living cost. Hmmm....your profile picture seems familiar.

So you're currently a lecturer?
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Much welcome.

Yes it is. If you apply to a competitive one, you should put lots of time and effort into it. And make sure your references are 'academic' references, not 'character' refrences.

Between Bristol and Notts I will go for Bristol. Less common in Malaysia.

First time using this profile pic, haha. Yes, I guess my username indicates that. But I prefer to be called a scholar.
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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 05:36 PM)
Much welcome.

Yes it is. If you apply to a competitive one, you should put lots of time and effort into it. And make sure your references are 'academic' references, not 'character' refrences.

Between Bristol and Notts I will go for Bristol. Less common in Malaysia.

First time using this profile pic, haha. Yes, I guess my username indicates that. But I prefer to be called a scholar.
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Yes, Bristol is less common in Malaysia.

Your username indicates your profession being a scholar and i would say your profile pic also indicates where you graduated from.That would have to be either Oxford or Cambridge. Or i could be wrong. smile.gif
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QUOTE(jhong @ May 12 2012, 01:40 AM)
Yes, Bristol is less common in Malaysia. 

Your username indicates your profession being a scholar and i would say your profile pic also indicates where you graduated from.That would have to be either Oxford or Cambridge. Or i could be wrong. smile.gif
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Haha, not a very common coat of arm.
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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ May 11 2012, 05:48 PM)
Haha, not a very common coat of arm.
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Yes, i visited only few places in the UK. This includes Bath, Bristol, London, Oxford and Cambridge. By elimination, i decided to throw a wild guess.
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Yes, i visited only few places in the UK. This includes Bath, Bristol, London, Oxford and Cambridge. By elimination, i decided to throw a wild guess.
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Nice places. Haven't been to Cardiff, which I heard is quite nice.

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