no, im not doing the uol llm, but my friend did it....exams are at putrajaya and there aren't many students doing it

UM? famous uni?...

if you're gonna take the LLB at MMU, and if you're gonna consider pursuing postgraduate courses at a good uni like UCL or Melbourne Uni or NUS, your chances may be slim unless you get a first class or a strong 2:1 imho.


with reference to the words "pass the test", i assume you are speaking of the clp, hence we are discussing about those who have passed their llb already...

as jhong has stated, yes you may. they may work as interns or legal executives, paralegals/legal assistants. Though most companies may prefer those who have passed clp due to the procedural nature of the course, they are not that particular. What concerns them more is your ability to speak and write well, and your ability as a potential lawyer identified through results and character.

This post has been edited by alsree786: Aug 20 2009, 12:53 PM

are you with itc, buxton, tmc or stansfield?

aiyoh, why la i curious and read that.....i got an interview on the 27th, so now i'm gonna be double newvous. great...but thanks for the info anyway!!

btw, i didn't read the email they sent when i heard it wasn't the results but some notification...

This post has been edited by alsree786: Aug 22 2009, 06:06 AM

i didn't think the spoiler would contain any info on the results...ah well!

anyway, im just applying around la for interview, nothing specific, still not sure whether i want to pursue a legal career...

hope everyone's results for the uol llb are what they hope them to be....hope you all do well!!

clp is a course, recognition is by the lpqb. check the bar webbie, shud be the latest even tho it seems old. if you still doubt the list, or your particular uni is not on it, just email them to clarify

there are a whole list of questions you need to answer before you can determine where is the best place for you to read law...

(in no particular order)
1) Whether you intend to read law locally or overseas? if the latter then where?
2) Whether you are able to afford to go overseas? If so, for how many years? 1 or 2 or 3 or 4....
3) Do you want to practice eventually?
4) Do you want to be an academic?
5) Does uni ranking/prestige matter to you?
6) Do you intend to remain in Malaysia or like for some ppl. pursue a foreign degree in order to facilitate migration?
7) Do you think you can tackle a pure exam based LLB and do well?

...you get the idea...

Having your A level results will help you determine your options...


well, i think your lecturers or guidance counsellor at HELP would be the best ppl to answer that...

based on what i've heard, nope not really...especially compared to UOL LLB...just put in the effort even a 70% average would be achievable


haha, the extra tens of thousands in expenses may be a reason...

just fyi for all uol llb students awaiting results, the online results link is now working after a 20 hour delay...

well, it would be good for you to attend the first few classes to see whether reading law is what you want to do...you dun have to pay or register till about a mth after i think...

if you wanna pursue the uol external llb, there are a number of schemes you can choose from that determine how many subjects you wanna do in a year, and the duration...i dun recommend the graduate entry route coz you cant practice, unless you're sure you don't want to do so in the future...

doing the uol llb part time is a good idea, but it gets really hectic during exam periods since everything boils down to those few weeks before the exams...but alot of students do it, especially in HK and alot in SG, so i dun see why it cant be done...

im currently considering a career switch myself from accountancy to law...

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Added on August 28, 2009, 1:08 amyou're only 24 ah, im 23 oh...

haha, dun worry about it, the knowledge and skills acquired is worth the three years if you're really into the field...

This post has been edited by alsree786: Aug 28 2009, 01:08 AM

i graduated with an llb already, but im working in accountancy. wanna switch so thinking of doing bvc and the works when the intake reopens...

till then i'll just sit behind a desk and count money or lack of it...

well considering the fact that the clp has a low pass rate, i think almost anything would be easier to pass than the clp...but then again, the CBE isnt even out yet so we cant really say for sure, they can say anything in the development and their objectives for the exam, but until students enrol for it and tackle it, we cant be certain whether it'll be easier...

some students may even prefer the exam based format of the clp since they have much experience in doing such courses...the fact that quite a number work while pursuing the clp, adds to the low passing rate due to its infamous bulk...

imho none. waste of time, effort and money. unless one of your LLBs isn't recognised and you need to do the other one to practice locally. but having 2 LLBs that are both recognised is a waste...

basically...imho

1) the main difference btw an ext llb and internal course is that in the ext UOL LLB, it is a 100% exam based qualification whereas internal programmes consider attendance, assignments etc in addition to exams. The law is primarily the same, and the quality of education varies with the institute and eventual university. The UOL Ext LLB can be done at an institute or by self studying, it is quite difficult to score since everything boils down to those 4 days a year when your exams are. Furthermore you will need a min 2:2 in order to practice whereas for internal progs (most or all?) a third class honours will suffice.

Teaching wise, for an ext prog, you dun really need to go for classes as stated, assignments and mock exams are not mandatory. What i did was to skip a whole lot of classes (not advisable) but attend revision diligently 2 or so mths before the main exams. You cant really do the same for internal progs as they may have an attendance requirement...

2) in a Uk transfer programme or a DTP (Degree Transfer Programme) you sit for internal exams at HELP etc and then apply for transfer to their affiliated unis. Whereas in the Taylors Twinning Prog, you are linked to Reading from the very start. The pros of the Taylors prog, is that if you can get in, you are already with Reading. The pros of a DTP is that you have a choice and the Pre U requirements of some of the Unis is lower than for Taylor's twinning prog...but let say for example you want to head to Cardiff as they also offer the BVC, then if you meet their requirements, the DTP would be a better choice...

3) the exposure is an advantage tho I dun really see any pros when you actually practice...I personally dun see it to be cost effective to spend another 80k or so to do a 1+2 but if you can afford it, most ppl would want to since there's a proper campus lifestyle, 2 years instead of 1 so you can adapt better...and some unis (correct me if im wrong) only consider your year (s) spent in the UK towards your hons classification, so a 2+1 might be stressful in the UK...

4) LLM is mainly a knowledge based qualification. Usually only do it if you are lecturing or giving training, but it doesn't serve much purpose and is not very useful otherwise. Doing a masters in another field like an MBA may be a better choice...as being a lawyer requires alot of marketing oneself and presentation abilities (esp if you intend to open your own firm, an MBA may be more useful in building your business)...

may i know why you had to withdraw?

firstly there's no "australian" bar exam...secondly, for uk law grads, we have to enrol for a number of subjects at a uni in Aus in order to satisfy the Priestley 11 subjects first...

The BVC is tough, the CLP is hard to pass, nothing is easy...you shouldn't be concerned with the difficulty of the task if you're motivated and hard working enough...

No one said being a lawyer was a walk in a park...my recommendation, if you really want to do the bar course go ahead and work hard at it...

during your gap year, look for a job in a law firm...if you have the extra money and time, (or cant get a job)...just enrol for the CLP course and learn as much as you can about Malaysian legal procedures and the works...

I was personally put off by BAC's marketing and the sheer size of their student nos...so i went to ATC for CLP. ATC's CLP registration is not closed as far as i know, but even if it is, I can get u in.

i was also considering waiting a year and take the bar next year coz my interest in law only arose very recently, but i decided to take the CLP instead.

Not sure whether this attachment will work, but read it for info on practicing in Aus...
 To_be_a_lawyer_in_Australia.pdf ( 1.38mb ) Number of downloads: 37

the thing is that, it is widely accepted that the BVC prepares you better for practice than the exam based CLP even tho the CLP helps you better understand how the local system works, but at the end of it, it is how good you are and what you have gained in terms of knowledge and skill all the way from day one of your LLB that really matters...Partners at Shearn, Zul R and RDL have made it known that what you get at CLP level is not important so long as you pass it...

I did the CLP for an added reason, (i cannot confirm this as yet), it may give added exemptions for the Aussie Priestley 11

i think it's best you speak to the HELP reps directly since this is a DTP Programme we are speaking of may differ depending on the agreement...Even if AUSMAT is accepted, they would be in a much better position to inform you of the uni requirements with regards to A level equivalents...

are you reading law atm?


just to stir your mind -

My relative was recently offered a chambering position with RDL. They know his abilities and character thru regular meetings. My relative is a first year law student.

Zaid Ibrahim graduated from UOL Ext. Singapore Law minister is a First Class LLB grad from NUS.

My friend was offered a position with Karpal Singh with the latter not even looking at his qualifications.

fyi
http://www.lawsociety.org.sg/ble/n_first_schedule.htm

will add more info later when i have more time...