pls view their website for the info. If you want some basic info on the recent changes to the admission pls view:

http://www.britishcouncil.org/singapore-ed...-uk-degrees.pdf

and

http://app-stg2.mlaw.gov.sg/LinkClick.aspx...WU%3D&tabid=269

not that i know of. I dun think there are any outright loans or scholarships...

well considering you "really want" to be a lawyer, i would recommend going thru the clp route since you're already at final part 2. or head to uk for the bar if you feel you're up for it if you are taking EU. But i would also highlight the difficulty of passing the clp, so it would be best to determine for yourself whether you are individually capable and driven enough to go the distance and become the corporate lawyer you aspire to be...

In addition to schizo's answer, i think the revamped ministry of law (singapore) website is easy enough to understand.... so here you go:

http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/UsefulInfo/Practic...62/Default.aspx

the info you need shud all be there. If you still have doubts after that, don't hesitate to ask.

well firstly, mr xxx would need to complete pupillage before he becomes a "lawyer". Imho, little justification to take CLP without going thru the next step and getting admitted. During pupillage, he'll probably have to take a massive pay cut for the duration of pupillage since this must be completed full time whilst having no other employment (unless with the Bar's consent) tho this can be easily circumvented.

It would be a good advantage, tho I dun really get your question of "in term of money perspective"? Well if you mean would he make alot of money, that boils down to how good he is, how good his business skills are and how good his networks are. To start off your own firm, you will need the three criteria mentioned above to succeed (dosh aside).

But generally I would say having an Accounting and Law combination works out well if you know what your focus is on. Your work must require knowledge and skill that you will have obtained from doing the said courses. No point doing accounting and law and then specializing in say financial accounting or Criminal Law/Land Law/Constitutional Law. Will help if you're in Audit and Compliance or Company law/Taxation Law etc. But juggling two separate professions may be hard if one intends to become a practicing accountant and lawyer per se. As i said engage in work that harnesses skills and knowledge that can be acquired from both courses.

If passing LLB and CLP in 4 yrs is deemed lucky, well....then good luck to all current students incl myself.



*Will add on to this when time permits

@ edennature

How does one become a member of the respective Bars of Scotland, N.I and Ireland?

From my 5 minutes of googling, for Scotland, i came across:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solicitor#Scotland

http://targetjobs.co.uk/career-sectors/law...ate-in-scotland

http://www.advocates.org.uk/downloads/beco...ochure_2009.pdf

All of the above links highlight that for one to become an advocate or solicitor, he/she needs a llb in Scots law. If so, then that option, i can safely presume, for most of us is out of the question. Please clarify since you have been researching this route for yourself as well. Have i missed something?

@ fuchunkuzhi

For OZ, what subjects u will need to take to satisfy the Priestly 11 requirements, depends on what subjects you took during your LLB. For a student who has taken the following subjects for UOL LLB: Criminal, Contract, CLRI, Public, Land, Tort, Trust, Commercial, IP, Juris, Succession, Company, based on an assessment in Griffith Uni, Queensland, he/she will have to pursue the following courses:

Constitutional Law;
Equity;
Introduction to Public Law;
Law of Associations;
Property Law 1;
Property Law 2;
Civil Procedure;
Evidence;
Criminal Procedure;
Administrative Law; and
Legal Professional Practice

Use this as a guide. And according to edennature's post about the Unis that offer the Priestly 11, I doubt it's a conclusive list. Just check with QUT whether they offer the Preistly 11.

yea, if you intend to read law in the future, it would be good to take law at A levels tho not required. It'll give you a slight insight into law and I would think your combination is fine. Taking law at A levels would only prove disadvantageous if you go on and do med or engineering or something unrelated but otherwise it's fine imo.


no, your a level results are not important. they will only consider your intermediate results.

imo

btw australia and uk, being in west malaysia, I'd choose UK hands down for law even though i much prefer australia as a place to spend 4 years of student life. Amongst the reasons why, well, UK has better law schools, much of our laws here are influenced by english principles, a large number of successful lawyers here in malaysia are uk law grads, and im not for open book exams. But since u intend to practice in east malaysia, you have an added benefit which is worth considering. I would honestly say in your situation, go for what you think is best. There is no real drawback of doing an aussie law degree over a uk law degree as long as it's from a reputable and recognised uni (other than cost and duration factors). People can go on and on about how this prog is harder, and that prog better prepares you and what not, but what is important is how you learn and develop yourself and apply what you have learnt in practice.

Just fyi, your Sarawak CM graduated from Adelaide with an LLB.


1) TOPICS which should be given extra effort?

I would like to think that Public law is divided into the major topics and those mosquito topics that seldom come up as questions on their own, but may be relevant to other questions in short paragraphs. Though exam focus changes over time, try to focus on topics like Parliamentary Supremacy, SOP, HRA (which are actually quite easy to score). Other easy to score topics though are not usually considered sure questions are Constitution and EU. I'll elaborate further via pm if time permits. I thought elections and ministerial responsibility were boring.

2) Is updated news important?

YES. Always try to apply the latest cases or at least mention them in your exams. It is always important to be relevant and up to date in the legal field (along with any other industry actually). Furthermore, most of the time, where there have been significant recent changes to the law, the examiners usually use this to develop questions relating to these changes. Hence if you know about the facts of a recent major case, it is likely that you will have to apply it in the exam.

3) Originality

This relates to your own personal opinions and views on the issue at hand. As long as you don't stray out of facts, this is where you get your marks. This is where you have to think out of the box so to speak, sit back and think for yourself, do you think this case has been decided correctly, or whether this reform should have been done another way, or whether this academic is right in saying something. Just because it's not in your book, doesn't mean it cant be relevant. If you feel Dr Ewan Mckendrick or Prof Atiyah or Hillaire Barnett is wrong, just say so and justify it. If you need help in learning how to criticise well, this is where your tutor should be helping you with.

This is my reply for now, hope i helped somewhat.

better in what sense? getting a job? preparation for practice?

PRIVATE HIGHER EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS ACT 1996 (as amended):
S43 -Compulsory Subjects

(1) All private higher educational institutions shall teach such compulsory subjects which shall be determined by the Registrar General.


(2) The subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1) shall be taught in addition to other subjects or courses of study taught in the private higher educational institutions.

(3) In the case of students who are citizens of Malaysia, a pass in the subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1), at a level determined by the Registrar General, shall be a prerequisite to the award of a certificate, diploma or degree of the private higher educational institution or of any University, University College, higher educational institution, whether public or private, or professional body, within or outside Malaysia, consequent upon a course of study or training programme conducted by the private higher educational institution jointly or in affiliation, association or collaboration with such University, University College, higher educational institution or professional body.

*emphasis is my own

Interpret as you think fit. Imo citizens of Malaysia must pass the required LAN subjects. Failure to do so would mean the LPQB may not recognise your qualifications. Question now is whether they check.

As the programme referred to is at degree level, makes me wonder what pre u prog the student enrolled in prior to llb. If he did ALE for example but was given his ALE certs despite not completing his LAN somehow, then there might be a prob, if the LPQB checks. Furthermore, if institutions are only allowed to offer the UOL LLB upon prior approval from UOL itself, can it be considered a course or training prog conducted...in affiliation or in association with UOL especially noting that institutions are given awards upon students performances.

It also doesnt help that UOL has recognised institutions like ATC as "Affiliate Centre"

http://www.londonexternal.ac.uk/onlinesear...o?profile=16118

"In the case of students who are citizens of Malaysia, a pass in the subjects determined by the Registrar General under subsection (1)...shall be a prerequisite to the award of a certificate, diploma or degree...of any University...whether public or private...within or outside Malaysia, consequent upon a course of study or training programme conducted by the private higher educational institution...in affiliation, association or collaboration with such...higher educational institution..."


Anyway, im with schizo, just do it!! [U]

yes, in that case it should clearly not apply.

I just ignored whatever warnings...

I have not personally come across a Uni that requires Maths for pre u for entrance into a law prog.


....and obviously be a Malaysian Citizen!

Lawyers don't really earn much comparatively until they hit partner level... the figures are just about what schizo mentioned above as far as i know... but im unsure about bonuses tho if there are any....


do you see yourself practicing in any other country besides the two above? Each country may have its own specific requirements...

The word "equivalent" suggests that you require a Pre U programme regarded by the LPQB (not LAN) to be of similar standing to that of the STPM or A level programmes. Degrees/Masters/PHDs do not strictly fall under that category.

Discretion to determine whether you qualify is the LPQB's.

I doubt there will be any outright exemptions from any universities for an accounting grad coz there is little substantive overlap in the syllabuses of the two.

Nevertheless, you may consider the graduate entry route which allows you to save up to one year, though I wouldn't consider it an exemption per se. I think a degree in any field allows you to enrol for the GER (check with the uni requirements), which is primarily meant for those who do not wish to practice. But if you intend to practice, the graduate entry route is not one you should embark on. Simply put, it may not have certain core subjects required by the relevant board for recognition and is not of the required duration.

Also note that the ACCA may not be recognised as a degree by the university but a professional qualification. Though some unis may consider the ACCA as a degree equivalent, it is best you check with your target choice before embarking on any applications.

This post has been edited by alsree786: Mar 29 2010, 03:23 PM

I think textbooks are still provided by Uni of London. Part of your registration. ATC will provide their usual notes upon registration, and revision guides in march.

You don't need to know anything, just how to get there, where to makan, and which toilet is under renovation.

If im not mistaken, for most universities in Australia, an LLB with Hons will take 4 years (the only one I know which is less is Bond). If that is so, taking another year, and with extra extra hard work you'll get 2 qualifications. Makes sense to me.

But if you do intend to return to Malaysia and practice, Imho I wouldn't take that route. It'll take you 2 more years to get admitted than a regular UK or Local grad. Yes, you may have another qualification, but I do think that law firms especially the big ones don't really give much for paper other than your LLB and a few directly relevant courses like LLM or the BPTC. But this is just a preliminary conclusion of mine. For example, I was told by a prominent tax lawyer, Partner at a 3 S firm in KL, that the fact I am an ACCA member was detrimental to my chances of being a tax lawyer for certain reasons. Furthermore, he mentioned that the LLM does not add as much value to a practitioner as the 1 year experience he may have forgone to take the course and this was reiterated by a fellow partner at the same firm. What matters more is the date of admission. I agree with his latter statement, but the former still puzzles me.

If you do intend to combine an LLB with something, do a business "like" qualification. In the legal world, you need a fair amount of knowledge on marketing, management and such (esp if you intend to have your own firm). That's why I strongly believe, the best Masters to supplement an LLB is an MBA (or something of that sort).

But of course if u intend to settle in Australia, go ahead with the 5 year prog.

Firstly, to do well in the LLB, you will need more than just a good memory. Memorizing facts and regurgitating does not go down well with LLB examiners i.e. your SPM way of studying does not work for LLB. You will need to analyse and argue facts well, effectively cite and use cases to support your arguments, and be ready to cricitise. A good command of language is important as well. It is not difficult...but u need some sort of passion for it otherwise you may get bored quite easily.

If you feel that you are too shy to give your opinions on matters etc, well then it depends on whether you intend to work on that during the course. Some ppl do improve their confidence during the LLB as they discuss and argue with their peers on issues. But I must say if you intend to practice in the future, no matter what field, you have to be able to speak well and not be shy. The introverts are seldom noticed and do not stand out.


ATC is a decent place to do ALE, and it can be done in 1 year. If you intend to keep your options open, I suggest going to a better college for A levels like Taylors or something of that sort and take your time with ALE. Do well in A levels and your options will be much wider. Dun rush if you're unsure whether law is what you want to do.