it only takes a couple of days to find out information on the A level programme offered by all the main colleges in KL...considering you had months, well....

You dun really need to know what reading law subjects involve atm...you'll get the hang of it during 1st year. There is no guarantee that you wun get bored with it, that's really up to you. Maybe reading A level law books might help give u an insight. If you're a person who lacks confidence, any profession u take will be a prob, and even fields like business, marketing and so forth will not work for you unless you are confident in yourself. So work on that... I sincerely think that if you admit that you lack confidence, either work on it, or you'll face problems. IF you still think law is for you, take it, and use the opportunity to mingle with others to increase your confidence in your own abilities and what not. We can only advice on what we feel right or based on our experiences, but everything boils down to you and you alone...

A levels at ATC is so so la... If you want straight A's or aiming for something within that region, go to a better college. But ATC is among those that allow you to complete your A level in one year...

based on my experience, yes, but I would not recommend working all the way to July (exams are in mid July) and during exams. I suggest working up until April or May at most, then start studying for the exams proper. It is very, very bulky. The passing rate for the CLP in BAC and ATC is at about 35 to 40% with an additional 30% for conditional passes...but that includes quite a few who have done it before...

umm, that's up to you. If you're working, then part time obviously. Im sure the colleges mentioned offer both options.

More or less, but the para will be assisting the lawyers in preparation inclusive of drafting, filing documents with court, admin etc...

also depends on the firm...

Lawyers in Malaysia = A & S

Simply put, Legal Assistants are lawyers, some firms prefer the term Legal Associates...you can consider yourself a lawyer in malaysia upon admission to the Bar...

What course were u taking at BAC? DTP?

what course are you doing at BAC? not sure whether you've stated this before...apologise if you have. DTP I presume.

I know for a fact that for a certain law prog, the BAC lecturers do give their students the exam questions beforehand.

My question would center around what career do u intend to pursue/job scope you're aiming for/what do you like to do...

Respect, coz I could never stay awake during his lecture. Went for 1, and that was enough...that was the first and last time i attended a lecture from the uni of london ext lecturers. but of course, the important bits were conveyed to me via my goodie friends who did go...mainly an implied tip here and there!


As explained by jhong above. Any combination is fine. Recommended to take at least three subjects in which you either have an interest in or you feel that you can score.

yes u may. I myself took Chemistry, Biology, Maths (and General Paper) at A levels...

Re Aus Bar...

Just would like to get some info.

1) From which uni did u obtain your LLB?

2) Which state in Aus are you considering to head to?

3) Do you intend to practice in Malaysia after?

Am assuming you're pursuing the UOL Ext LLB. Am not sure about HK, but for SG:

I highly doubt u can transfer, short of saying no coz whatever it is it is still at their discretion.

And for your second question, information can be gleaned from http://app2.mlaw.gov.sg/UsefulInfo/Practic...64/Default.aspx


You will probably need to spend a year in Australia just to complete the Priestly 11. Only then is your degree recognised and you take the "bar exam". There is no equivalent of the UK Bar in australia. Every state has its own exam and generally differ from the other. If im not mistaken, in some states the profession is fused, while in others, the profession is split. Even then, this is highly not recommended...because even if you finish the state bar exam, I dun think it is recognised in Malaysia ( I have no time to check proper atm)...

there are many reasons why ppl do not enrol for the BPTC...but IELTS requirement?? That's the first time i've heard someone not considering the BPTC for the IELTS requirement. I did the IELTS and got 8.5...and comparatively, my overall level of English is quite average...seriously, there must be another reason for you to not consider it. Costs perhaps?

...And i'm pursuing the CLP atm, if cost is not a factor and you feel that the field of law is where you want to be in the not too distant future...pls, aim towards enrolling for the BPTC...

Oh okay. Well...do hope if you try it again, you manage to get what you need. Trust me, working harder to get that IELTS score is much easier than going thru CLP...All u need is one good day at an IELTS exam with due preparation, with one lenient tester...lack of sleep and nerves will affect you for such an exam! GL


"Achievement at the SPM level or its equivalent. All candidates must have obtained a minimum of 3 credit passes at the Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia (SPM) or its equivalent which passes must be obtained in the one and the same sitting of the examination."

You need SPM/O levels equivalent. That part of the requirements is not to be read disjunctively.

u said u did the american syllabus right...sorry for my ignorance, but what is their o level equivalent? grade 12?

@vcj1992

recognition of any qualification for CLP purposes is by the LPQB, not the MQA. Though it is likely that the LPQB will follow the MQA, only a formal confirmation that the LPQB does so should be considered. Hence, send an email to the LPQB to ask whether your qualifications satisfy the requirements and do inform us...


1) well, u need to be decent in BM at least...because this IS Malaysia and it is always useful. If you're into litigation, then you need quite good BM especially in lower courts...If you appear before a judge who prefers BM...well..there you go. There are some lawyers who do use broken Malay in courts, it may work but if you're really bad, might irritate mr judge.

But for corporate law e.g., much more emphasis is placed on English.

2) what is very low? There are first year lawyers I know earning 2k pm and there are those earning 5k. there are senior lawyers I know earning 10k a month...and there are senior lawyers earning 1.5m a year. Do wat you're passionate about with due hard work. If you do it well...any sector can pay well.

CLP... Subject matter is easy, but the most bulky and especially boring thing I have ever done...which makes it hard to study for...after 3 years of mind stimulating, thought provoking, argumentative subjects, u have to face procedural papers. I think the sudden switch of approach majorly affects most if not all LLB students who pursue the CLP considering the vast difference in study methods.

Depends on which uni u intend to pursue your LLM. Certain Unis and specialisations are higher in demand so there is competition for places. Get a minimum 2:2.

He has a few options (non exhaustive obviously):

i) Take the LLM, though this is not really recommended. The LLM adds little value to your resume unless you are aiming for the editorial or education field. It is an academic exam/course. Further, for latter field, the colleges will require a min 2:2 grad.

ii) Be a paralegal. There are a few 3rd class Hons grads around that have become paralegals.

iii) Take the ICSA and be a corporate secretary

iv) Try to go into insurance. There are still quite a few new entrants in insurance making money. What you need is a good GM to guide you or join a good agency.

v) Pursue another degree depending on what he intends to do.


I do hope your friend secures a 2:2, life would be easier for him then.

(Edit) - It's probable that an LLM with a significant research component would be beneficial to paralegals.


What experience are you referring to?

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Honestly, there is little difference between the two colleges. BAC has about 300 to 350 students on average every year for CLP whereas ATC is about 120 to 150. Both are in rather cramped places. Their notes are about the same. The only difference would be in lecturers. For ATC, their lecturers are okay with a couple of really mediocre ones. There are of course pretty good ones with Kevin, Ravi and Mr Joseph being commendable. But I was generally satisfied with ATC. BAC may have better results but honestly, I dun really give a crap about how well other students do. And for CLP, no one really cares whether you get great results. A pass is all u need. If pass rates matter, both institutes are about the same i think...ATC is only slightly higher.
So, I would recommend going to the college where you feel most comfortable and maybe have closer friends.


The LLM does not have any weight towards recognition. It is not a pre requisite. The requirements to be a qualified person is on page 1. Please read through.

Extracted from Page 1 of this thread - "*There is a requirement of a lower second class honours for University of London (External) Law graduates in gaining recognition for their degrees from the LPQB but the same rule does not apply to Internal Students."

Please ask Schizoprenic for the reference.

As for the second part of your question, it is true that students may transfer but Im curious to know at which stage of his studies is your friend currently in (I do not assume)...and has he received his Part I results yet? Your first post stated that "He did not do very well for his first and second years"...but considering that exams are in May/June and results come out late August, did he also do his Part II this year? Do clarify.

The reason is, if he has done PART II in May I am unsure whether a graduate may apply for transfer, my initial inkling is No. But anyway, if possible, that'll be a good way to circumvent the current problem.

Anyway, amongst the unis mentioned, I guess UWE is the best. I have met a few UWE grads and they are pretty good...practicing in good firms. I don't really bother about rankings but Guardian ranks Aber above the rest. But based on the number of practitioners from UWE here in good firms, stick with UWE imo. That's the only gauge I have. A student from one of the Unis mentioned may provide better insight.

Mr Anand?

Firstly, as you may know, Intermediate results are irrelevant. Secondly, it is widely accepted that the jump from Inter to Part I for UOL makes Part I seem to be the hardest year amongst the three (for the normal scheme). Statistically, most students don't do as well for Part I as they do for Part II. It would be easier to gauge whether he shud just try for a 2:2 if we or if privacy matters, then I am provided with his marks for the 4 subjects taken at Part I level.

Further, as for your second question, I'm sorry, but I am really uncertain as to whether that is possible. I don't think the universities will allow such transfers, but anyway the best way to find out is to contact the universities mentioned directly.

Hope I helped.