LOL. In terms of prudent spending, Wenger is right at the very top.

Based on trophies, it's SAF. And you get trophies only when you get all the components in the right mix (players' quality, club staff, tactics, finance, board & fans support, etc).

Look through a few pages and many people belittle our unbeaten run. That to me shows a lack or respect.

saying saf is second to arsene also is a lack of respect
but well, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion rite?

i understand u.........there r more man u fans in malaysia...tat's a fact

I only saw 1 post . Donno if ppl has edited it.

Taking into account the unbeaten run (Thanks to RvN) it is still not enough to put AW as the best manager of our time.

That is again debatable as it is a matter of opinion, if trophies are a benchmark then Ferguson has done brilliantly but if you take into account that Wenger has kept Arsenal within budget for so many years that he has enabled the club to move to a new stadium, increase the clubs revenue a year by about 200% from when he first took over and he has also increased Arsenal's profile considerably.

How is saying that Wenger is a better manager than Ferguson disrespectful? Care to explain your definition of respect because it sure as hell is not the same as mind

disco333 just say that ferguson is a better manager compared to wenger and we were all leave this thread for good and promise not to come back or post on this thread anymore. lol

Ok, let me forget that I'm an Arsenal fan and let me see what I can say.

I would say SAF the best, in term of trophies and few more thing, plus cant actually say he spend much, he spend more now in this later part of his career if compare to his earlier part of his MU career(cant deny Butt, Beckham, and all those other players did and some still play for MU). Also cant deny that he won a lot of trophies too. Plus, who will not forget of his strict attitude, in his earlier days, no players is bigger than him, he is the boss and he is not afraid to show it(hehehe, sure remember what I mean by this.)

But then AW also have a great record and also a best manager, he do have great eye to spot talent, good in buying players and such when he needed. We all must admit Arsenal do have a tighter budget then MU during the 1996 season and onward, so for the trophies he won, it a great achievement. And we cant forget his idea of playing beautiful football and such and such. And who say Arsenal cant produce world class player? I know Henry may not be from the youth system, but he did became famous and world class when he play for Arsenal. And currently Arsenal have few more youngsters that have potential to become World Class players. Also, 49 unbeaten runs also not something easy to accomplish, thus it show AW also is a great manager.

But it hard to compare, cause one person is nearing end of his career, and another one is still far from ending his career, so very hard to compare, that why I would rather compare past and retired managers then current managers.


By the way, I vote for Arsene, just cant take away the fact that I'm a Arsenal fan, hehehe. In Arsene we trust. Plus, Arsene career in Arsenal still have a long way to go, so I feel everyone cant judge him just yet.

Getting treble or getting an incredible unbeaten streak is both achievements. How great any achievement is, is subjective.

For this thread's discussion, you'll have to look it as the best being: length of service to the club and the consistent great results/achievements during that tenureship. In EPL, there's only probably two managers to compare with.

SAF for me...

good answer

This is how I see it. it is truly impossible to really argue rationally about this as the two most important questions would always go unanswered, could Ferguson have achieved the success Wenger has and elevated Arsenal football club into a situation where they sell out 60,000 every home game on a tiny transfer budget .Whereas Rio cost more than our whole team at £28 million. The second question is could Arsene have had what was required mentally to drive a massive club that had been underachieving to such glories as winning the treble? My thoughts are that neither could have achieved the same success if the roles were reversed but if one looks at how hard it was to achieve that success I believe Arsene job is harder as if the best player comes on the market he doesn't have the funds to buy him ie Wayne Rooney at £28 million. So he has to continue pulling rabbits out of the hat like Fabregas for £500k, Toure for £125k, Adebayor for £3 million, van Persie for £2.75 million etc.

arsenal fan sure will say arsene wenger but i would say Jose Mourinho, tats not much manager can bring team to top in just one year, yah maybe some1 said he uses money to buy champion, but without him terry , lampard and those will not able to shown their top performence

You can leave if you want, no one really cares....

Don't forget that Sir Alex won his first league titles without splashing a lot of cash on players. He bought Eric Cantona for £1.2 million pounds, and Fergie's Fledglings came from our youth system.

when ferguson took over united, the club position in the table was somewhere at the bottom of the table and the stadium was so much smaller than today. The club had no money at that time. From there, he slowly turned the club into what we have seen today. Winning his first title and build on his success for club and the club expanded into the biggest club stadium in England. Every match, there are 76,000 crowds,full house..From the club success, he generates money for transfer money...

And yeah, he even won Champions League as well..

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This post has been edited by hazremi: Jun 7 2008, 11:13 PM

haha joker la you. ok la ill just leave you alone. gotta go watch euro now. ciao

Back in the day £1.2 million was lot of money.....

he got the money.. he just prefer not to use it
u said like he never spend much before.. its just during recent years he started to build his squad from young players

saf transform united from 7 league titles to 17 league titles, 1 european titles to 3 titles.. plus some fa cup
during the time he first took united, we are nothing like we are now
he rebuilt the squad and look where we are now

not trying to be rude but what wenger doing now already done by saf long time ago.. and saf done it more effectively than wenger
currently saf also focuses on young players but now he chose to buy because of the money he made from previous seasons.. what is the point gathering money but dont spend it enough rite? summore saf spend the money wise enough with the purchase of carrick, hargreaves, nani and anderson

anyway we can always see next season whether the young already matured squad will step up or not

When Fergie took over, United had the largest stadium in England that was filled every matchday. The club has history, the stadiums were filled well before Ferguson's era. United were also the richest club in England at that time, Ferguson took over a under preforming team and led them to the title which is impressive. They might have been near the bottom when he took over but they are the favourites at the start of that season which means that they had the quality but lacked leadership which is where Fergie comes in. To say that he made a team out of failures in nonsense, with a few signings he was able to lead them steadily up the league.