eh why that poll got benitez but got no bob paisley?
ferguson has nothing on paisley.
Best manager of our time?, Best manager
Best manager of our time?, Best manager
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Nov 8 2008, 02:18 AM
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eh why that poll got benitez but got no bob paisley?
ferguson has nothing on paisley. |
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Nov 8 2008, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 8 2008, 02:18 AM) Hard to compare really. Both managed during very different times. Paisley was around when football was at its most passionate, whereas Ferguson withstood the test of time and led United during the evolution of football into the popular and money spinning sport it is today.I may be biased in saying this, but Fergie to me is the best of all time. He's won everything there was to be won, and retained titles on numerous occasions. The man's been in charge since before the day I was born, and while left right and centre managers were being sacked and rehired, he remained as our man. I know no man should be bigger then the club, but whenever I think of United, I see Ferguson. The man's a legend. A strict disciplinarian with a sense of humor (wore a Brazil cap when Maradona visited Carrington days ago). It was his way or the highway (ask Stam, Ruud or Beckham). Despite being tough on the players, all of them see him as a father figure. Can't help but smile everytime I see the training photos of them messing about with the manager having a laugh. That camaraderie is something we don't see in many football clubs. He also was very closely involved in building the club. He had his hand in the stadium restructuring, played a role in helping elevate the club's status into a global name etc. He comes across as a very articulate and intelligent man. You know the question ppl often ask about the one person you'd like to have dinner with before you die? For me its him, without a doubt. The day he decides to call it quits will be a very sad day indeed, not just for Manchester United, but for the world of football. Imo, Wenger still hasn't proven to me that he can be mentioned in the same breathe as Fergie, Paisley, Clough etc. Maybe its becoz he's not won in Europe yet. However, he has a bloody good eye for spotting talents and getting them on the cheap before turning them into a phenomenon. |
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Nov 8 2008, 06:05 AM
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Mourinho can be the next great coach cuz...he is the best of his time..cant compare him with Sir Alex...cuz..he coach for a long time...for sure he archive a lot..but Mourinho..get most of it..just in a few years..
He is the best..! |
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Nov 8 2008, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(gry @ Nov 7 2008, 09:44 AM) Jose Mourinho.. 2 years in Porto Win everything, 3 years in EPL won EPL twice, 2 carling cup and 1 FA Cup, 1 Charity Shield.. QUOTE(Ichighost @ Nov 7 2008, 11:05 PM) Mourinho can be the next great coach cuz...he is the best of his time..cant compare him with Sir Alex...cuz..he coach for a long time...for sure he archive a lot..but Mourinho..get most of it..just in a few years.. I respect Mourinho for the impossibilities he has achieved and his really interesting character, but he's still young as a manager and still a bit more to prove. I think this year w Inter Milan will be really interesting. All he's lacking as a manager is a CL Medal. And a bit of controversy. I haven't been really following Inter's news a lot but he has been kinda quiet on soccernet radars isn't it?He is the best..! |
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Nov 8 2008, 08:11 AM
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Hmm...he did well at inter...just okey la..i think 3rd place in domestic league..Serie A champions Inter will guarantee their place in the last 16 if they can record a win at Anorthosis Famagusta for UCL..
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Nov 8 2008, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(gabLhowe @ Nov 8 2008, 08:00 AM) I respect Mourinho for the impossibilities he has achieved and his really interesting character, but he's still young as a manager and still a bit more to prove. I think this year w Inter Milan will be really interesting. All he's lacking as a manager is a CL Medal. And a bit of controversy. I haven't been really following Inter's news a lot but he has been kinda quiet on soccernet radars isn't it? Dun worry...his mouth is still the same like the one in chelsea...the recent article about him is the one he accused some players to be diver...2 of them are true divers...another 2 are certainly not... |
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Nov 8 2008, 09:07 AM
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QUOTE(gabLhowe @ Nov 8 2008, 08:00 AM) I respect Mourinho for the impossibilities he has achieved and his really interesting character, but he's still young as a manager and still a bit more to prove. I think this year w Inter Milan will be really interesting. All he's lacking as a manager is a CL Medal. And a bit of controversy. I haven't been really following Inter's news a lot but he has been kinda quiet on soccernet radars isn't it? dude he won cl medal with fc porto before...back to the topic...sir alex is the best manager ive ever seen in my life....i cant compare with past manager like bob paisley and other past manager becoz i never see them in action... This post has been edited by skystrike: Nov 8 2008, 09:09 AM |
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Nov 8 2008, 01:09 PM
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bob paisley - the best of his era
Sir alex - the best for this era.. Mourinho - host prospect...for future era...hahaha |
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Nov 8 2008, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Nov 8 2008, 08:33 AM) Dun worry...his mouth is still the same like the one in chelsea...the recent article about him is the one he accused some players to be diver...2 of them are true divers...another 2 are certainly not... remind me how the anfield captain dive to get the penalty in the last game ...oh yeah, MU player fall down = diver, liverpool player fall down is fair ... such a double standard ... whole world saw gerrard dive |
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Nov 8 2008, 01:47 PM
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Bloody hell. Are we gonna turn this topic into a diving discussion again?
Last I heard of Mourinho was when he dropped Adriano due to discipline problems. Seems like he's having none of it. He doesn't care if you're the in form player or not. You're not exempt from punishments. Theres been rumors flying around about Jose taking over Fergie's mantle when the Scot calls it quits. |
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Nov 10 2008, 12:41 AM
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ferguson vs wenger?
how bout winning the champion's league 1st? |
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Nov 10 2008, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Nov 8 2008, 02:18 AM) Well it has to do with your definition of "our time" doesn't it? QUOTE(Ken @ Nov 8 2008, 01:12 PM) remind me how the anfield captain dive to get the penalty in the last game ... oh yeah, MU player fall down = diver, liverpool player fall down is fair ... such a double standard ... whole world saw gerrard dive QUOTE(Hevrn @ Nov 8 2008, 01:47 PM) Bloody hell. Are we gonna turn this topic into a diving discussion again? Precisely. What does the issue of diving have to do with management? Just for the sake of argument, there was contact, no? It's gamesmanship and if you feel contact in the box, a good number of players will go down. Last I heard of Mourinho was when he dropped Adriano due to discipline problems. Seems like he's having none of it. He doesn't care if you're the in form player or not. You're not exempt from punishments. Theres been rumors flying around about Jose taking over Fergie's mantle when the Scot calls it quits. I agree with those of you that suggest Mourinho and Wenger do not yet belong in the same bracket as Ferguson, Paisley, Shankly, Busby, etc. They may have brought about a revolution within the club but in the end, it comes down to titles and leaving a legacy doesn't it? It isn't as though Wenger has been working with a limited budget or that he inherited a poor side. His willingness to spend on young talent instead of proven players is his own doing and one must question when he will look to today and not the future. |
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Nov 11 2008, 12:21 AM
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The thing about Wenger is his strict policies and his stubbornness (shall we call it?) to spend the big bucks on top players. Didn't Arsenal Football Club announce large profits after the completion and opening of their new stadium? I'm sure its not down to their inability to spend. He also has this policy on not giving more then a one year contract extension to players aged 30 above, which led to key players like Pires leaving. Flamini leaving was a big blow, but with the money Milan offered there was no way Arsenal were going to be able to compete with that.
That said, he's got a knack for spotting gems, and I'm a keen admirer of his footballing style. Exactly the kind of football I would pay good money to watch. Once he consistently turns his entertaining brand of football into a winning one with his current crop of players, they'll be reliving their glory days of yesteryears. |
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Nov 11 2008, 03:25 AM
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Mourinho, Rafa, Alex Fergie, Wenger..
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Nov 11 2008, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Nov 11 2008, 12:21 AM) The thing about Wenger is his strict policies and his stubbornness (shall we call it?) to spend the big bucks on top players. Didn't Arsenal Football Club announce large profits after the completion and opening of their new stadium? I'm sure its not down to their inability to spend. He also has this policy on not giving more then a one year contract extension to players aged 30 above, which led to key players like Pires leaving. Flamini leaving was a big blow, but with the money Milan offered there was no way Arsenal were going to be able to compete with that. Like you I enjoy watching Arsenal play and he did have money to spend. If memory serves me he was handed a transfer kitty of $50 million during the break last season. I may be mistaken but he was given a sizable budget nonetheless. That said, he's got a knack for spotting gems, and I'm a keen admirer of his footballing style. Exactly the kind of football I would pay good money to watch. Once he consistently turns his entertaining brand of football into a winning one with his current crop of players, they'll be reliving their glory days of yesteryears. He does indeed come up with wonderful signings doesn't he? Prior to their arrival in the EPL, I had never heard of Toure, Sagna, Flamini, Reyes, Adebayor and company. Somewhat like you mentioned though, he has been unable to keep quality players at the club for the long term which leads to him having to rebuild almost every season. Arsenal have also been criticised for overplaying and overpassing when a more direct approach would have brought about rewards. |
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Nov 12 2008, 03:00 PM
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Sorry to say...but for me just for my personal opinion...Arsenal just like a big ACADEMY...
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Nov 14 2008, 11:56 AM
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Something interesting from The Sun:
QUOTE Sun salutes United legend Fergie ![]() ALEX FERGUSON was quite literally bitten by the football bug 50 years ago tomorrow. As a 16-year-old he began his remarkable journey in the game by making his debut for Queen’s Park against Stranraer. The great man from Govan quickly realised he was going to have to be tough to make it to the top as his dream painfully lost its fluffy hue. Ferguson said: “That debut confrontation with Stranraer was closer to a nightmare. “My troubles began with the decision to play me at outside-right, which didn’t suit me at all. “Nor did their left-back, a little tank by the name of McKnight. “After a collision had put the two of us on the ground the b*****d bit me. “At half-time the official in charge of our team, Jackie Gardiner, roasted me for not being combative enough. “He shouted ‘You don’t side-step players at this club, you go through them. You’ve come into this team with a big reputation. What’s the matter with you?’ “ ‘The left-back bit me,’ I said pitifully. ‘Bit you?’ Gardiner screamed. ‘Then bite him back!’ “Any suspicion that Scotland’s leading amateur team would be too Corinthian to go to war was soon dispelled from Stranraer minds and the second half was warfare.” A team-mate got the biting McKnight back with a hack on the way to a 3-2 Queen’s Park home win and then a player from each side was sent off. Ferguson recalled: “On his way into the tunnel the Stranraer man engaged in an argument with a Queen’s Park supporter. “He must have been a real warrior, that centre-half. His opponent this time was a member of the official blind party attending the match. “All in all, it was quite an introduction to the senior grade.” Now half a century on the revelations in Ferguson’s autobiography Managing My Life give further insight into what drives the man on. He has been putting the bite into opponents ever since as a player and — most notably — as a manager. Breaking up the Celtic- Rangers domination with his Aberdeen team. ‘Knocking Liverpool off their perch’, as he put it himself, as he rebuilt Manchester United. And finally ending a 31-year wait to take the European Cup back to Old Trafford and winning it again this year on the 50th anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster. Peter Buchanan began his 10-year playing career with Queen’s Park in that very same season Ferguson made his debut. Advertisement And he remembers seeing the same determination in Ferguson then that has served him so well since. Buchanan said: “I played up front with him a few times and, even as a 16-year-old, you could see there was a devilment and determination about him. “Obviously nobody could have foreseen what he would become back then. “There is a great pride at Queen’s Park that he has gone on to achieve what he has. “But he has never forgotten his roots and where he started and still comes back to Queen’s Park for club dinners and the like.” Ferguson, 66, is still at it, intense as ever, unable to let go — and why should he after last season’s Premier and Champions League Double success? Sir Bobby Charlton was instrumental in bringing Ferguson down from Aberdeen 22 years ago to resurrect United. During one of the most heartfelt appreciations of the man yet, in this his 50th year in the game, Sir Bobby revealed just what he means — both to him and United. Sir Bobby said: “In Scotland at Aberdeen he broke the mould. I remember watching him guide his side to victory over Real Madrid and thought this is just the man we need at Manchester United. “The type of person, the type of authority that a big club like Manchester United needed. “A few years later we decided to bring him here and it is the best thing that has ever happened to this football club. “This club is supported worldwide because of the way he has got his teams to play — they excite people. “I remember as a player always waking on a Saturday morning excited at the prospect of playing that afternoon. “Alex Ferguson has got me like that again just watching his teams. “He is a brilliant decision-maker, a great judge of a footballer and football itself. A sensational manager for a club like Manchester United. “Since he arrived his decision-making and the attitude he has towards every player and every person at the football club has been unique. “And on a personal note Alex Ferguson has been one of my greatest friends since I have been in football.” At a recent Variety Club tribute night in his honour at Old Trafford, Ferguson finished a speech with these words: “I have been very, very lucky. I have had a fantastic time in football, enjoyed some great moments. “But the best moment I ever had was joining Manchester United and the worst will be the day I leave. “But that will be a long time away.” When the day comes a gaping hole will be left in the game that a gangly teenager with a bite mark first graced all those years ago. Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...icle1928219.ece |
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Nov 14 2008, 12:23 PM
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I must say SAF will go down as one of the most successful manager ever. I'm a huge fan of Arsenal but Arsene Wenger is still far from achieving what SAF has. Quite rightly said, your achievement is measured by the number of trophies you won. Wenger might have built a very potential young squad who's played some really beautiful football but he's not won that many trophies as he should, based on the young players that he's churned out.
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Nov 14 2008, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(giotto @ Nov 14 2008, 12:23 PM) I must say SAF will go down as one of the most successful manager ever. I'm a huge fan of Arsenal but Arsene Wenger is still far from achieving what SAF has. Quite rightly said, your achievement is measured by the number of trophies you won. Wenger might have built a very potential young squad who's played some really beautiful football but he's not won that many trophies as he should, based on the young players that he's churned out. I wonder what would happen if SAF and Wenger work together? Wenger could be SAF's prodigy I bet we might see one team which is undeniably superb in terms of attacking and man management. |
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Nov 14 2008, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(giotto @ Nov 14 2008, 12:23 PM) I must say SAF will go down as one of the most successful manager ever. I'm a huge fan of Arsenal but Arsene Wenger is still far from achieving what SAF has. Quite rightly said, your achievement is measured by the number of trophies you won. Wenger might have built a very potential young squad who's played some really beautiful football but he's not won that many trophies as he should, based on the young players that he's churned out. Well Eric, every manager is unique...For Arsene, I too have the utmost respect for him because he has the ability to convert players into difference roles. Example, he made Ashley Cole from an attacker to a left back. Lauren, from a winger to a right back. Henry, from a winger to a striker. I think Sir Alex can't do that easily.. but he did it before. He made Scholes from a striker to an attacking midfielder. But I can see clearly that Wenger is very good on this. QUOTE(boxsystem @ Nov 14 2008, 12:31 PM) I wonder what would happen if SAF and Wenger work together? Wenger could be SAF's prodigy Over the years, there were very colourful rivalry between the two greatest managers in EPL at the moment (in my humble opinion).I bet we might see one team which is undeniably superb in terms of attacking and man management. The rivalry was tense and they would have a go against each other.. Because both are great managers. But recently there were interviewed together during a function for the League Managers Association. It's some sort a tribute for the 2 of them. And I can see that both actually have the mutual respect between them... which is good. You can see it here: |
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