i think SAF is the best at EPL, but there are better manager/coaches out there when it comes to europe and world tournament. it's not fair to make a poll here when majority of LYNers are EPL fans, and majority of them are MU fans.

haha..yes i already read SAF's article in wikipedia..and i already admitted that he has won many many many titles..but those all are with man united..he doesnt prove himself yet on the international stage..

u should note that while fergie won UCL 2 times over 10 years, lippi involve in UCL final 4 times in 7 years, which suggest consistency in his achievements on continental level..and plus the world cup..

yeah maybe u will say fergie surely have the ability to win WC, but lippi has done it..until SAF manage a national football team and at least bring that team to reach WC final match, then only i will say he is the greatest manager

SAF and lippi are real contenders here, not arsene wenger and JM, absolutely not..imo, hitzfeld has done better than AW and JM

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Added on June 9, 2008, 5:16 pmyeah dude..i forgotto mention mr. trap..one of the greatest too..and mr. trap only got 1 vote??



This post has been edited by matyrze: Jun 9 2008, 05:22 PM

Scolari & Hiddick is my choice with attractive football even though I'm a Man Utd guy. Nothing compares to the World Cup as the Holy-Grail. These guys have proven themselves at this stage.

So the question becomes, which achievements indicate you are a better manager? Is it easier to win your domestic league, the champions league or the world cup? Ultimately you'd like to win all of the above but you can't manage so many teams at once.

ferguson does won the uefa cup winners cup and super cup with aberdeen back then. he results with 'em is more consistent compared to his manchester united's ratio.
agree with you about the contenders. arsene wenger and jose mourinho isn't up there with ferguson, trapps and lippi.
jose mourinho won the euro cl cup with porto but he 'phailed' when he have everything at his disposal with chelase. wenger was a near man back in 05.
btw, success are measure from the number of titles won, is it?
even though i am a mu fan, am surely not being biased when it comes to judgement. history speak for itself.
unlike italy and germany or it's neighbour; england, scotland isn't really had a good history in international football. but the rest of us sure wanted to see ferguson managing the england team, aren't we?

franz beckenbauer and carlos alberto perreira was another example of very capable coach.
btw, if grant was to win the bpl's title, cl and carling cup, prolly' his name will be be on the list too
scolari won the wc with brazil but whether he can do it with portugal with quite a resources on tap, remain to be seen.

credit should go to otto rehagal to for parking their greece's team bus infront of goalpost in the last edition of euro competition, yet they take home the euro holygrail.

but TS said Wenger is the best manager because he plays sexy football...

oh well....up to him then

I never said that, do you even read my posts or just pretend to? The amount of rubbish that comes out of your mouth is bemusing.

yup

Sexy = Beautiful

yeah i really want to see fergie manage an international team one day..bcoz a manager with his reputation should have some records in international scene too..

for me, d greatest manager should have achievements in both club and international level..for instance rinus michel (inventor of total football - he nvr won WC though, only a runners up in 1974)..for me, number is an impotant criteria, but that is 2nd to the prestige of the titles..people should look at the prestige of the title first, and then the numbers..the reasoning is only the best players and coaches competed in the best tounament, and only achievements in these prestigious tounaments should be count..fergie dont have WC, so i rated him as a very very very good manager (bcoz of the numbers), but lippi is a legend, and i personally recognize him as d greatest among d greats..he achieved almost eveything at club level and international level (err should i omit that 'almost' word? )

actually, my initial intention of joining this thread is to question why so many choosed JM and AW as their greatest manager??lippi only gets 7 votes until now while trappattoni gets only ONE vote

that one i suggest you to ask TS

TS already in agreement about aw being the best manager of our time.
he should know more



and TS's reply;

enough of making fun of him la guys. That's his opinion, nothing in the world can change that

Aw Is The Best

i'm with u bro...

can i ask the meaning of Hypocrites?

the thing abotu it is taht, its super hard to manage a successful international team and only a handful can do it. even more so rare to win a WC with it.

look at england for example;

SGE - was a great coach pre england days, and england had talent (there were better then poland at least). but he never really carved much out of it.

now, lippi won the WC, and the domestic and european leagues. thats a mean feat to beat, im sure in every managers heart just as in every player. winning the WC is the ultimate goal in football, no amount of domestic leagues or CL can make up for it. you only have this limited few chances to do it.

so winning the WC is not a bonus, its the hardest damn title to win and you only have these few chances to do it. the last italian team to do it was waaay back in the 80's and that was a whole different team and the italians dont always rise to the big occations. simply put there are huge limitations, time problems and so on to win the most important and hardest prize in all football history.

winning the WC , its like winning the holy grail of football, most managers only can try it once, and most of them only see the cup from tv's on the final day. its a fabled dream for most of us, and only few can go to taht heaven

im sure that SAF, wouuld give away half his record just to have this prize in his trophy booth.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Jun 10 2008, 01:17 AM

Vicente Del Bosque for me

real In a class of their own under Vicente Del Bosque guidance

Firstly, I must admit I know more about the EPL than any other league and my opinions may therefore be biased. I do appreciate La Liga and Serie fans sharing their point of views with us, it is refreshing.

I must say however that some of the managers mentioned have achieved only relatively short terms success. I'm not referring to the likes of Marcelo Lippi obviously. What is the criteria for being the most successful manager? To me, it's sustained success. Ferguson has the advantage of being with one club for a really long time and it's not rocket science that the longer you are at a club, the more time you have to build it into a championship side. It took him 7 years, a commodity many managers do not have these days. Even when you win trophies these days, you can't guarantee your job security. Ferguson has however had to build his squad not once but 3 times if you ask me. In the early 90's, out went key players like Hughes, McClair, Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Ince, Robson and Sharpe and in came the famous class of 92 (Becks, Nevilles, Scholes, Butt and Giggs). His latest piece of work was the inclusion of players like Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Vidic and Nani, and they won both the Premiership and the Champions League.

Don't get me wrong Liverpool fans, I really hate the guys guts because I think he is an arrogant git, but I have to give credit where it's due. Managers can hop between clubs, some better some worse. Fans will empathise with them for not achieving immediate success with smaller clubs, having a smaller budget. You won't usually get the same level of understanding from the board or the fans if you stay with one club. We've all seen it happen. A manager is only as good as his last season. The moment results go against you, you get the infamous "assurance from the board" message and before you know it, out you go. Fergie has maintained a level of consistent success over the years with one club.