as i said. sonus never fail to impress me.. now i shall add one more sentences "although i had already use ES11."


speaker aren't talk about big or small leh.
i change from floorstander (NAD made in denmark, rare stuff), B&W 601, Acoustic Research dunno wat model. Jamo... Celestion Tannoy...
in the end Sonus Faber..


the point is. sonus sometime tend to loose out in AB test.
for bookself of sonus, bass not impressive as the competitor. say proAc.. which can get floorstander at same price range already.. treble not as high as epos / harberth.. yada yada..
but in the end. if u have longer time to use those speaker. then the good point of sonus will be appriciate..
buying speaker ain't trying to impress anyone. but to listen to music comfortly. ,and sonus is comfort..
buying some speaker with impressive spec like USHER which utilise beryliuim tweeter at the price point of concertino domus. and that USHER is much bigger than the sonus. while USHER win all sort of "magazine" review.....
in the end. it's still sucks to me. listening to it is very impressive.. wide dynamic range.. fast respond.. but heck i don't even can finish listen to one album.

in the end. smooth mid and superb quality mid by sonus still win for a nice afternoon / night listening session.. sonus use nice combination of the tweeter and midbass to ensure the frequencies respond remains flat throughout it's effective frequencies respond. mid bass and tweeter characteristic and phase had been take into consideration, hence the sonus can really produce a smooth frequencies respond. especially MID which imho is the hardest part to do. and it's also the hardest part to detect at short period of time. the intergration of the mid bass VS tweeter is so far one of the BEST i ever heard.
listening piano recording can still produce significant thickness when the tune were play at higher notes.. playing flutes from lowest notes to highest notes doesn't change the flute to wistle. lol..


PS : all those were MY OPINION.. might or might NOT be suitable for you. your milage might vary.. =P believe at your own risk.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 4 2009, 09:14 PM

DON"t WAIT LIAO.. the longer you wait. the higher possible it will gone...

i am in this situation before
playing all sub RM 2k bookshelve
suddenly folk out RM 5K for sonus. that time i buy without stand..
wah really scared. like throwing money.. if dun like then *** loh...
but luckily i am happy until now..
really worth.. this is the best spend in my life.. spend the money 1 year already still feel worth.. lol.
everytime i on it.. i still feel "really nice..."

apollo??
mark and daniel???

2 month already finish burn in?
i on everyday also at 5th month baru the speaker sound characteristic start to improve leh.
major improve .

i am using customised DIY class A preamp for driving NAD3020A and i use the NAD as pure power amp only.

lol.. even if u on CLASS A power amp 24 hours non stop..
a 150 WATT class A probably equal with 4 florescent light in house.
that's assuming you on it on max power.
normal time. it might only consume 20-25 watt. which is less than a florescent light..
on one aircon anytime takes 800-1000 watt, water heater and so on cost at least 10-20X the power consume by amp..
lol.

put it this way pals..
if you don't buy sonus faber. will you forget it? or it going to stay in your heart and keep reminding you .... until one day you finally get it home?
i tried before. i decided wait until i graduate only i buy that sonus.. but it keep ring in my ear "sonus faber sonus faber" i can't hold myself go online and search for the speaker.. read the review. or even search beautiful picture of it. just look at it also feel happy.
then i have the product catalog of the sonus.. also quite often take a look at it...

if it is this way. then yourself already know the answer for to buy or not to buy..

if it is not this way. then i will really suggest you stay with your current setup and forget about sonus since it will involve major upgrade in your system.

My Sonus Faber Concertino Domus...
















This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 7 2009, 12:38 AM

if u ever change ur speaker.
pls do remove all those absorbing material and then add them in one by one.
else u might overkill as different speaker sounds different in ur room. those absorbing material suitable for ES11 might not suitable for other speaker.

agree. some more. there's about which to get first if the speaker is out of production and it's only left 1 single pair in the shop.
while other things are fairly easy available.
replacement model for concertino is way too expensive compare to concertino. so no point.. unless very loaded.

spend on acoustic foam... diffuser... a lot. then in the end it not suitable to the speaker.. wasting those money..
like when i have my NAD floorstander speaker, epos ES11. i stick my room with corner bass trap. acoustic foam.. all sort of things. spend more than RM 1K on the acoustic material. in the end when i changed to concertino. i realise that without those things. the sound is more alive..
so i took them all down and don't know what to do with them..
now i am keeping them behind my kitchen..
lol.

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Added on June 7, 2009, 2:51 pm
last time i buy this foam for 1X1 feet = RM 30
anyone interested can PM me.
no ridiculous offer pls. this foam material is made of very high quality. if u touch by hand it's very smooth. and if u rub it also it still smooth. high density foam. which the foam itself won't drop off when u rub it.

the round shiny things in the picture is a CD.
so roughly u know the size of it.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 7 2009, 02:51 PM

thats who want the best of the best..
no ending one. unless u are happy with what u want
and u found what you want.
some ppl. they just wish to have the best out of the best.
camera also mah..
body.. lens. body lens.. flash.. body lens.. flash..
lol..
it's depend on urself. if u are happy with what u have. then enough loh.
no one ever force u to upgrade.. some one blame hifi world for making them ugprade. some one blame hifi magazine for making them upgrade.. imho that's BS. if they themself don't wanna upgrade. what for they go and read the magazine / online review?
in the end the simply neglected that they themself is the one who wish for better sound. and put the blame on other ppl for making them upgrade.. how ironic. lol.

PERHAPS they trying to see those review hoping that other praise what they bought is the best.. but after they read it.. they were F*cked that their equipment ranged at lowest range.. then they try to upgrade to impress other ppl.. "see my gear is recommended by what hi-fi" and keep the magazine. every time ppl visit their house. they will show the book. they just simply want ppl to acknowledge their speaker is the best... or "got taste".

just face urself. make a decision. want it. take it. don't want it . leave the whole audio world out of ur life.. say "i have equipment that i already appreciate.. so no point upgrade."

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 7 2009, 03:06 PM

lol.. i smells new member in this thread...
=P

sweet................. beauty eh..
glad u enjoyed ur music straight 10 hours.. lol....
i am yet to break the record..
it's like feel wanna hear each CDs again... it's so different from ES11. lol

why don't u try to remove the speaker from it's original stand. and find one most expensive stand available in the market. and try place ur sonus on top of it. see if u still say the same word in describe the sound or not.
i also choked by the price. but when i really buy it. i tell myself.. if i don't spend this RM 2K... the RM 5K i spend for the speaker is just wasted by not performing at full potential...
then this 2K is worth to make another 5K more valuable.
if i don't spend this 2K. my sonus don't sounds like a 7K speaker.. but just like a 3K speaker. lol
and it's more safe too since it has screw beneath it. the speaker won't fall down easily.

before this i am using original B&W stand.. made by aluminium. and the sound is just not right.
so i come to a conclusion that all stand is the same.. but when i give the stand to my brother which he using my B&W 601.. he told me the improvement is unbelievable just by one stand. the speaker sounds bigger. like a floorstander...

Nicholas. i though u already has an answer yesterday??
u heard the sound of it when moved out from my room right?
=P i think tha'ts the real potential.

imho.. the real chain is the cable. lol if sonus is the cow..
the stand is the toe..


auronthas, by the way.. i had confirmed information just now that perfect hifi no longer has it's original stand. and will not plan to carry them in anymore as SG there also almost out of stock. and the last batch stand price seems to hike up. car_o_scope had taken the last pair of stand in both ioimall and mpl perfect hifi.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 9 2009, 06:11 PM

not the same.
even the screw holes are different.
the home screw is further apart.
so can't even screw the speaker on the stand.


by the way.. anyone know who this guy is??




on the left is me.. lol.

infact... he came to perfect hifi by monday by invitation. and those guess who attend his talk also by invitation. damn pressure , all the owner there at least owned amati / Revel salon / guarneri memento.. cheapest setup oso about 350K+
only me using cheapo setup compare to them. lol.

he talk a lot about tuning.. theory.. and practical.. he did show us with a pair of Auditor M speaker as seen in the back ground.
i am start to use some harmonix product.. but they are too damn expensive.. i am save up for RF909 infact. =)

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Added on June 10, 2009, 3:08 pmbetter control of the driver motor system to the diaphram can cure the boomy effect.
such as Dynaudio is famous that it will sound almost the same even though u place the speaker directly sticking to wall VS on stand.
due to it's motor system aka coil can have a very powerful control to the membrane itself.


meaning. have accelerator.. and have brake also.
usual driver. which not properly designed.. only can accelerate.. go faster is better. but on some corner. the diaphragm tend to loss control. hence the coil has to provide enough damping / braking to the membrane so it sounds accurate..

like car to climb hill .. a 4 wheel drive car.. without brake...
when go up. very powerful.. when comes down.. too powerful..until cannot stop.
lol..

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 10 2009, 03:08 PM

i think i am mistake about the model. it shall be the cheapest one.
lol
can't afford the most expensive one.
the great things about harmonix is. the more u use. the more neutral it is..
it don't overdone the sound.
and i kena poison kao kao by alvin liao leh... the effect.. is seriously like changed an DAC / AMP..
while just put the small little things under the speaker only.

hm.. actually he talks about music a lot by that day..
why his DAC cost so high..
several recording done by him market under his company..XRCD.. perfect hifi will have them soon..
and then only the tuning stuff.

not those normal XRCD.
his XRCD is analogue recording. and analogue mastering. normal XRCD /SACD which cost about RM 150 i have plenty.. but his XRCD is really really sounds different.. much better. if i am not mistaken. the price is about RM 300 per pcs.


i don't think it's 30K..
the transport alone is more than RM 78K
i seriously don't think the DAC is less than 50K.

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Added on June 11, 2009, 7:11 pmFinally i got myself WHOLE set of concertino domus..
speaker.. stand.. even spike shoe is original.. lol


Full metal construction... while atacama i use previously is just a thin layer of metal..


Two parts of metal sanwished a rubber ring. so totaly isolating the vibration. while the inner metal ring is the one that contact with floor.

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Added on June 11, 2009, 7:17 pm

should be like this.
weight wise very heavy.. at least 3X of atacama that i use previously.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 11 2009, 07:17 PM

the spike shoe they told me it's not for sale. i beg them kao kao only can find one set brand new... but i paid almost RM 500 for it.
still cheaper than harmonix.

where u order the stand?
perfect hifi still got?
ioi mall or mpl perfect hifi?

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 11 2009, 09:47 PM