Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

13 Pages « < 2 3 4 5 6 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

Hi-Fi Sonus Faber, The artisan of sound

views
     
PcWork
post May 26 2009, 10:46 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(dlyz @ May 26 2009, 07:44 PM)
v nice  notworthy.gif

How much?
*
RM 2.2K with slight discount.. =P

QUOTE(auronthas @ May 26 2009, 09:09 PM)
Wow, what a beautiful, astonishing original speaker stand ! Congratulation to you, PcWork.  I wish i would get this one day.  drool.gif

Trust me, one day if you move to a special/dedicated listening room with room acoustic, i.e. diffusor, bass trap and absorption panel on wall, carpet or rug on floor, you will hear a better soundstage.

After having my room acousticly treated, i really enjoy the soundstage deliver by SFCD speakers, just wonder if i am having the original speaker stand, how would the soundstage be? Haha.

Now my next target is to get a external DAC, i.e. Cambridge Audio DacMagic.

Well, you can listen again to all your CD collection one by one , enjoy the music. 

Cheers

Auronthas
*
imho... get the stand first.. =P


Added on May 26, 2009, 10:48 pm
QUOTE(TarePanda @ May 26 2009, 10:04 PM)
I hope that I can hold my emotion to let go my Concertino now...if not, scare that will spent more money to maximise potential of SF...like PcWork~ tongue.gif
*
lol. for the bold Part,, my answer will be:

you will.. some day...
just a matter of it comes earlier or slightly delayed only...
i strongly believe in that..

by the way. ur concertino is home or domus?..
get luito lah.. it's in malaysia now.. seriously an big improvement over concertino series.. price is also big improvement... lol like 2.5X the price of domus series....

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 26 2009, 10:48 PM
PcWork
post May 26 2009, 10:52 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(etteoh @ May 26 2009, 10:49 PM)
Super nice PCWork! smile.gif Enjoy the music more now...and for the record, I am sure you agree you broke your wallet for a good cause smile.gif
*
well i can only say the feeling is exactly as when i bought the concertino domus...
although feels spend a lot. but it's extremely worth it imho.
and it never let me down... and never fail to impress me although i had use it for 1 year already.
now add stand.. impress me some more..
rclxms.gif
NO REGRET~!
PcWork
post May 26 2009, 11:06 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
they have cheaper series.. TOy series. it's cheaper than domus.
basically the domus had split into two series. luito as higher series, while toy as lower series.
by the way
i think the atacama spike shoes is not actually fitting well with the original sonus faber spike.
its quite big and round in the end. so the atacama spike shoe hole is too small to fit it.
i just use it as it is first. i am buying sonus faber original spike shoe oso....
=(((((((((((((((((((((((
PcWork
post May 26 2009, 11:22 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 26 2009, 11:13 PM)
Hey, bro...
You will feel like the speakers are incomplete if the spike shoes are not ori Sonus Faber.
Get the whole set in original form better lar..
After all, you have spent so much on the speakers and stands, rite?  laugh.gif

I guess you just dont waste time for sleeping tonight.
Better sit in front of the speakers and listen....  laugh.gif
*
i ordered the original sonus spike shoe. but it's hell expensive oso.. but fully built from aluminium. whole block.. very heavy and solid.. lol..
actually.. yesterday i listen until 4am... can't sleep.. lol..and tested almost all nice song i like.. that's why i am very sure the improvement is a major leap. and without any draw back... and that's why i am really happy for it. if it does improve somethings. but drawback somethings. i won;t fee its worth the price.. lol
yesterday listen till very late, today only have time to post picture.
even now i type here oso i sitting in front of the speaker with bee gees music.. lol

QUOTE(dlyz @ May 26 2009, 11:15 PM)
How much is toy going for?
*
cheapest toy bookshelve is RM 3.7K by retail.. i not sure how much can actually get.
PcWork
post May 26 2009, 11:42 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

POISON~!~~~~~~~~~~~!~!~!~!
hahaha
the sonus toy. is seriously impressive. the speed is much faster than a concertino domus when both driven with amp sub RM 5K.
so overall that TOY is much easier to drive with lower budget. and anytime it will sound better than a concertino itself.
unless have higher budget for amp. else toy did sounds better and more accurate.

yesterday spend more than 6 hours seeing how ppl do acoustic tuning over a room..
this is the setup he owned... my dream setup..
user posted image
setup really sounds good.. one of the best i ever listen.. the price is more than enough to buy a good house already.. lol


Sorry for crappy photo. taken by motorola handphone.

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 26 2009, 11:45 PM
PcWork
post May 27 2009, 01:27 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 27 2009, 08:10 AM)
The Toy speaker is a small size speaker indeed but very cute.  laugh.gif

The notable difference between the Liuto and Domus is the firing ports.
Liuto's at the back. Domus' at the front.

The Guarneri Homage set up is very nice.
What sort of wall is that, behind the speaker?
Looks shiny...
*
the toy bass port also at the back..

that is not guarneri homage, it's guarneri memento.
the wall is solid wood with wall paper. the wall paper is shining...

PcWork
post May 27 2009, 02:07 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 27 2009, 01:37 PM)
Yesterday, or perhaps this morning, you listen till what time?  laugh.gif
Actually, I dont know how to differentiate Memento or Homage.  blush.gif

Oh ya.. those Toy speakers still Made in Italy, right?
Aikss.. I think I am poisoned...
*
yes
TOY is made in italy oso.
it's crafted at the speaker post there. Made in italy. and the box also written all over "delicated audio product, Sonus Faber, Made in Italy"

memento is red / black colour. while homage is brown colour
shape of it, driver also very much different.
the only same things is only the speaker stand.
all the other things had changed.
the most significant change is the back spine.

This is Guarneri Homage
user posted image

This is Guarneri Memento
user posted image
Memento almost cost 2X as much as Homage.

PcWork
post May 27 2009, 02:26 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(grandspy @ May 27 2009, 02:05 PM)
Nice one PC works!! congratulations.
How big are the spikes of the original stands? Can you take a few photos? Do they sell the shoes for that? If yes, how much?
*
er...
they arleady installed wor..
nvm tonight see if i am free i take it off...
they did sell shoes for that. i think it's about RM 400-500 for 8 pcs..
i already ordered. but he haven't let me know the price yet.
he said expected that price lah.


Added on May 27, 2009, 2:35 pm
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 27 2009, 02:19 PM)
Wah.. Good info..
After looking at the photos, I know how to differentiate them now.

Hehehehe.. Bro... I keep scratching my itchy hands now..
Aiyoyo... macam mana boleh tahan...  ohmy.gif
*
i not sure about how other's ppl.
but for me. when i first wanna buy the concertino domus. i also think a lot of time. then feel damn expensive.
well what i can tell u now is.. since 26 April 2008 i use the sonus faber concertino domus. until now. i still think that the money is well spend.
if i have the same amount of money now. and i will still make the same decision. its multiple time it impress me. even the fresh pair. i already heard a satisfying sound.
then i use it. after each 2-3 months. the sound is improving (maybe due to burn in and some tuning work)...
so it still never fail to impress me now.

Buying toy is a good start as it can compatible with usual stand. which most expensive imported one oso about RM 400-500.
and sonus doesn't design the speaker to work with specific stand.
under the speaker oso don't have screw hole.
so you saved up already by the budget... ori stand is easily cost RM 2K and above.

sonus did the same things as concertino home to correct the time / phase respond by tilt the front baffle of the speaker. instead of concertino domus. the front baffle is flat, straight. so in order to have the same time alignment of the tweeter / mid bass. the speaker must be tilt up.and for domus series, it is done by the specific stand which tilt it up 6 degree. and that is the only reason i spend big amount of money in that stand.
while TOY don't need it. the time respond already corrected as the front baffle is already tilted. the tweeter and the mid bass is indeed in the same axis if u watch from side. so it's much more friendly.
compatible with lower budget amp. compatible with usual flat stand. and yet can get reasonably nice sound.
from that two already save up the cost.


This post has been edited by PcWork: May 27 2009, 02:42 PM
PcWork
post May 27 2009, 05:26 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(grandspy @ May 27 2009, 03:06 PM)
eh... no need to take them off. But looking at the pics you posted, I'm guessing that the spikes are like mine. They are more rounded than sharply pointed like normal spikes. How long does it take to order? I might want to get them too.
*
yes
it's same blunt as the floor stander has
it's not sharp.
i not sure how long does it take. perhaps 2-3 weeks max as according to they said.
perhaps u can call them for that?

EDIT : i just called them. they said the spike shoe of sonus faber is NOT FOR SALE.... the unit i get is just extra one pair. so after i grab it. no more..



QUOTE(TarePanda @ May 27 2009, 03:10 PM)
I think it's worth to spend on my Concertino Home too...maybe I didn't go to audit other speaker to avoid poison tongue.gif
*
trust me. a properly driven sonus faber is not a soft leg crap.. lol...
i had been search for replacement / upgrade speaker ever since i owned my sonus. but in the end. i sold off the other rest 6 pair of speaker. and give away my B&W 601 to my brother for free.
and that's why i feel it's really good. so i will definitely need to invest in the stand to make it complete.

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 27 2009, 05:31 PM
PcWork
post May 27 2009, 08:47 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(hushymushy @ May 27 2009, 08:29 PM)
bro, wait until u try out on the tightness of ur screws and ur spike shoes
u will go crazy
*
i know that things =)
already did.
PcWork
post May 27 2009, 11:56 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
indeed. i have some harmonix room tuning things coming up. =)

PcWork
post May 29 2009, 12:56 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
hm.. my room is small. hence i was thining DIY diffuser but with much smaller size.. is that possible?
i had search across internet and found the correct length of the skyline diffuser.. hehe
it's calculate by match.
will try to do it at next a few weekend.
was thinking of the final size will be about 1X1 feet. miniature diffuser. easier to use.
if not enough can add multiple one.


This post has been edited by PcWork: May 29 2009, 12:57 PM
PcWork
post May 30 2009, 03:00 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(mugenfoo @ May 30 2009, 11:05 AM)
Carpet on floor is very good.
Here's a school of thought ... try not to put anything too absorby (yeah i just made this word up) behind the speakers (aka front wall). But put foams and stuff at the back wall instead. The whole idea is that let the speaker pairs excite the front portion of the room to present a big and generous sound-stage towards you. Best speaker placement is when u get superb focus, and the "disappearance" of the speakers' individual presence (this one really really really hard to do). Then all u get is the depth and height and overall soundstage effect.
Yeah i got triangluar pillows (CornerTunes™ ) at the ceiling corners but i doubt if they do anything to absorb much bass. Its more for stereo imaging enhancement only.

If you have bass boom problems, the most effective "acoustic tuning" device would be to place a BIG FAT LONG COUCH behind your listening position. Guaranteed to work wonders. The more foam and padded the couch is, the more bass absorbing effectiveness it is. Then having tube-traps at the rear corners also helps to cut out more peaky booms. But too much of these bass traps can also create a suckout effect in the mid to upper bass regions. So use them sparingly. Bigger tube traps isn't always the best.

For ceiling treatment, try placing those styrofoam diffusors (RPG Skylines). This will make the room seem larger than its physical dimensions without overdamping the sound too much.  Same goes for the sidewalls.

Hifi listening rooms should not be dead-sounding unlike recording studios. A well-tuned live-sounding listening room is an absolute joy to listen too. And this has the biggest effect on your hi-fi system , even more than the hardware themselves.


Added on May 30, 2009, 11:13 am
... and the right material for treatment as well.

For example, to control bass, you need stuff like heavily padded boxes (Helmholtz resonators) like the RealTrap & BassTube type of stuff.
Different sized traps work more effectively for certain bass frequencies.
Foam pillows won't do much to control bass.

But Foams are superb at cutting down echoes, reflections and mid-to-high freq comb effects and overly excited or long reverb times.
The best way to go about room tuning would be a combo of absorption and diffusion.
Anyone here using Chicken-egg cartons in their listening rooms?  tongue.gif
*
pretty much agree with what you said.
i myself have two big roll of room acoustic foam.
but the problem is it tend to absorb the frequencies that has no problem. but the problem frequencies which resonance still there.

when we do the acoustic. we often say bass trap bass trap.
but we don't know how much the bass trap absorb the bass (how many db?) and what is the effective absorbing frequencies.
that's why in the end i remove all the acoustic foam and let my room to sound natural as possbile by minor tweak.
i tested all the egg shell.. acoustic foam.. corner trap.. and imho. those things were not effective unless accurate scientific measurement had been perform in the room according to the specific frequencies respond of the speaker.
else i rather don't use them unless problem is really serious.

i visited a house of my friend with Sonus Faber Cremona. he simply use all sort of those things. in the end the whole balance of the sound is gone. after that he call up tuning service. then what happen is all those things were removed and the sound back to normal. and he did come to my place for listen. and his jaw is dropped because my system only cost not up to 10% of his system total cost. yet sound much much more neutral and enjoyable than his setup.
that's why he make up decision to remove them. and add in some harmonix tuning device.

same things happen to diffuser. which made by polystyrene. it does absorb some frequencies. but not sure which frequencies it absorb. it doesn't reflected and diffuse only. the polystyrene itself does absorb some energy (imho is upper mid).. but the problem by blindly adding it. we don't know does it absorb what we don't want. or it absorb the sound we want. sweat.gif

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 30 2009, 03:02 PM
PcWork
post Jun 1 2009, 11:41 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 1 2009, 09:28 PM)
I'm using a pair of SF Concertinno Home...

1.) I check with a lot of old concertino advertisement place a outer tweeter position, thus i guess that should be the standard one?
    However, you should test it with your own ear coz every ppl get different space and taste...

2.) I saw quite a number of SF Concertino users using Generic speaker stand...especially 3 to 4 pillar stand.

What auronthas is right,

I found that the best heigh is to match with your ear level for Concertino series...

For me, I found the sweet spot is my ear place in between the tweeter and mid
*
QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 1 2009, 10:53 PM)
Opss...just knew it  sweat.gif

I found that place the tweeter outside with toe out sound better for me coz i sit very very near to the speaker sweat.gif

Tweeter inside will feel that there is veil in the middle of the speaker...maybe my amp not powerful enough
*
as far as i see. a lot of serious hifi kaki who owned older sonus. they all use inner tweeter leh.
they said it will has better positioning. while put outter tweeter the sound will very much dispersed.
but empty and hollow..

PcWork
post Jun 2 2009, 12:01 AM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
if near. then u have to use outter tweeterl
else u will feel the sound is cramp together. congested. =)
trust ur ear. ur ear seems lead you to the right path. hahaha.

PcWork
post Jun 2 2009, 01:12 AM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(kkthen @ Jun 2 2009, 12:32 AM)
Thanks a lot Mugenfoo, This is important information for me! biggrin.gif


Added on June 2, 2009, 12:35 am

Thanks for your info, I am nearfield condition, but i dont feel sound is cramp together when using inner tweeter. Lucky.


Added on June 2, 2009, 12:48 am

Dont be afraid for SFCD. SFCD is easy to be drive. I try my 60w integrated amp to drive sonus faber concerto domus  floorstand with 9 o'clock volume is loud enough. But old concertino is terrible, I increased volume more than 10 o'clock also not enough. But sonus faber vocal is poison, even concertino bass  quality & quantity also far better my existing floorstand speaker.
*
agree with that. i drive my SFCD with NAD3020A which is rated 25watt only.. =P

QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jun 2 2009, 12:48 AM)
Actually when listening to hi-fi, one must not get too hung up about where the tweeters or woofers are.

The whole idea is to listen to the "music"; Not the round domes and cones vibrating like a monkey on caffeine.
Just try a few times one way vs the other, then stick by it and enjoy the music. Nevermind what other people say.
If tweeter outside seems to sound better, then go with it. Heck, why not ?
If placing the speakers upside down (Mission is already doing it from the factory) would sound better to you, go for it also! smile.gif
That way only can the listener truly hear the music and enjoy the artistry of sound.  wink.gif
*
bro. interested to come over to hear the improvement caused by the stand??? =P


QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 2 2009, 01:03 AM)
Yup..every person have their own opinion, preferences, space and difference machines...

Perfect has no limit in HIFI...(erm, exclude billionaire)

The most important is, enjoy music cool.gif
*
that's billionaire perfect oso perfect for himself only. not neccessery suit for other ppl oso.


Added on June 2, 2009, 1:29 amand no point to suit other ppl oso..
lol
infact. for me. no need to be billionaire to find a system that is suit for ourself to enjoy music.
i am hell happy with my setup now.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 2 2009, 01:29 AM
PcWork
post Jun 2 2009, 01:23 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(etteoh @ Jun 2 2009, 01:06 PM)
Headphones provide a different kind of satisfaction. For a while, I ventured into Head-Fi. Started off with a Grado SR-125, then the SR-325i before going flat out serious for the GS-1000. From personal experience, they just cannot replace the "feel" I have grown to appreciate from a full blown hi-fi setup.

That is not to say they are not engaging whatsoever. They are in their own ways and they sound really good but it fails to reproduce the emotion and feel I get from listening to hi-fi.
*
100% agree... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
PcWork
post Jun 4 2009, 10:23 AM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Jun 4 2009, 08:16 AM)
hmm.gif Interesting...

You got a pair to offer?  laugh.gif
*
come come.. join SF family.. come..

PcWork
post Jun 4 2009, 11:24 AM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Jun 4 2009, 11:05 AM)
Bro PcWork,

Giving me moral support eh...  brows.gif

Money no enough wor...  too bad...  laugh.gif
*
lol
sell everythings...
=P
like me.
hahaha
PcWork
post Jun 4 2009, 01:53 PM

Audio Phreak
*******
Senior Member
6,489 posts

Joined: Mar 2005
From: Serdang
sell ur car then??


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 4 2009, 01:53 PM

13 Pages « < 2 3 4 5 6 > » Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0226sec    0.60    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 19th December 2025 - 07:14 PM