eh update ur signature and put it on leh.
haha
picture show pls..

i am miri sarawak ppl. but currently studyin in KL selangor serdang.
=)

gatevalve? a member?
i am refering to nicholas1213 . which i accompany him to grab that speaker.. =)

great. seems more and more addicted to sonus faber sound.

from my set of concertino
require about 400 hours of run in to maximise the quality. but
without run in already very enjoyable. the time you listen my sonus faber is the time i run in about 150 hours.
which is the first times the sonus shows improvement. after that it had another 2/3 times of improvement.

Wow... Congraturation on the Cremona purchase....

the stand can fit Concertino domus? the screw distance is the same as the concertino home?

well in term of realistic. i think most of the speaker out there failed to reproduce thickness of sound of instrument. and i not sure either the set of concertino u heard is under power or not. i had heard same concertino old version in perfect hifi when there's a owner trade in for upgrade. and imho. it doesn't sounds like what you describe here.

Edit: sorry pals.. bongbo.. i so damn excited just now go measure the size of the speaker.. and it's only 3 inch apart...

aiyo.. really sad lah. i had aimed this stand for a long time. original stand too expensive leh.


Dammit.....


anyway. bro bongbo.. really congrate on the cremona leh.. i can only dreaming and wishing that one day i will be like you. or when u goes for amati then i will be able to purchase the cremona from u. haha

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jan 30 2009, 01:00 AM

yes, sorry that i didn't explain clearly about my opinion. what i really mean is responding to what deng said about concertino domus speaker. which i refering that most of the bookshelve speaker or any speaker at the same price point of a concertino failed to produce thickness of the sound.
and imho that concertino is one of the speaker does it best. as we are discussion about the sonus faber concertino domus earlier.

of course any speaker at higher leve will successfully reproducing the thickness and produce it good. but it just way out of leage. i can't just compare a RM 100K or 200K speaker with a AE 1 range of speaker. =)


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jan 30 2009, 11:57 PM

deng.. great review there. couldn't agree more with the statement concertino sounded more like a 650. i personally felt it too. and the midrange description is very accurate imho. i owned Epos ES11 and sonus concertino together at once. and your describtion is exactly how i felt too.

some how i do feel that sonus faber does slow in speed. even for person who like me who really love the smoothness and slower speed. but i does feel my concertino is now slightly slower for the bass. and now i am in a situation which i can't help it much with bigger power amp. if i pair it with bigger power amp. it will reveal the problem of lacking bass as the midbass driver of concertino domus is relatively small as compared to other speaker at this price point. and if i upgrade my amp. in the end i might afraid i can't live with it and everyday thinking of upgrade.. which i couldn't afford. lol.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Jan 31 2009, 02:33 PM

yes i power it with NAD3020. and yes my domus is 4 ohm. when i buy the sonus concertino domus. i brought my amp over to the shop to pair with it before i make decision.. and i think it drive this domus easier than old concertino home with 8 ohm leh. my NAD seems can't push the home series at all. but with domus. it sound quite relaxing. well. forget about really impact and speed though. but yesterday i had buy myself some nice cable and upgraded the jumper of the amp from preamp to main amp. then it sounds quite ok for me.. will let the cable burn in before make any judgement. overall.. still i am quite happy with NAD + Sonus concertino domus. and my room is very small. hence the listening distance had been reduced. and then it don't have to drive it that hard to make the sound fill the room.

get an second hand audio research is about that price. i remember seeing one unit audio research . model unknow. selling second hand for RM 11K.

there's a new series. SONUS FABER TOY. anyone has chances ever audit it?
does it more expensive than domus series? or more to entry level than domus?
but why name it as a toy. hm.. to play around?

nope. for me
i still likes sonus sound.
so the only things i will trade for my sonus faber is a bigger sonus faber =P

hm.. i not too sure about myself buying sonus because of the look or not.
but after owning it for quite some time.. i have told my friend that,, even sonus faber i have.. comes in Neon Green Colour. i will still purchase it... for the sound i love..
of course.the look still pretty much a bonus. which makes it easier to blend in to house.. but i think i don't consider that as a main reason.
for person with limited budget like me. i will like to go for the sound that suit my taste the most with my very limited budget.. so the budget all goes to the sound.
and i am very strongly agreed with the bold statement.. i also feels exactly like that.


This post has been edited by PcWork: Mar 23 2009, 12:55 AM

today i tested my concertino with some DIY things..
and it really take my breath out.. 7 hours straight listening through all my songs.. and i am so glad i spend my money on one of the sonus..

spend some of my time yesterday audit a fresh pair of dynaudio C4 floorstander speaker.

and i will say... besides bass of dynaudio. i still love the sonus..
and unsure is their setup problem (using naim as CDP, Primare CDP, Usher Power amp, Siltech cable all over the place) soundstage is wide. but depth is non exits. obviously feels high pitch sound is very uncontrollable.
the treble is obviously right in the face, while mid is between speaker and me. while bass is behind the speaker.. only the wave and boom come over.
i guess that's positioning though.
test track is Manger CD- Jazz Variant (last track)
when played the Usher Test Disc, sound is extremely harsh and extremely grainy.


so it's very firm that.. i am a sonus lover.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Mar 31 2009, 08:14 PM

sonus, is more of depth and wide.
and other than that. the way sonus tune the sound. that some seriously high treble don't sound as harsh as they would.
and sonus is more like laid back. relax. that it could easily project a wide stage behind your speaker, which make the wall behind the speaker dissapear as it was a stage.
other than that. i had tested a proac Studio 110 before my purchase of sonus faber concertino. and yesterday i also had a chance of audit the 110 once again. i will still said i am love with sonus type of sound. sonus faber is like i am audience.. sitting in the best seat (sweet spot) and enjoy the show on stage. while proac and dyaudio is more like you are one of the band member. they bang all the sound so hard that some tone is consider "noisy" to my ear. and it is easily attract your attention as if some one had attact you from there.

if you are looking for a pair of speaker to listen after your work, while you are reading, go for lower end sonus, they are that relax and when you push them hard. they can easily project a realistic sound stage infront of you.

overall Studio 110 has better bass than a sonus concertino. but mid, uppermid, and treble i will prefer sonus sound.
it is lush, meaty, and very realistic expecially on vocal.

yesterday when i tested usher test disc, track 8, wind blowing gently (some CMY kaki might have the disc)
the vocal on sonus is so realistic. while i play it on proac and dynaudio (not to say that this two speaker is not good. but i seriously think it's the setup over cmy by siltech + primare is super bright)
the vocal seems very grainy. i NEVER heard any one has throat that can produce every words that are so rich in treble.. each single words, consist of VERY LARGE amount of treble.. wanna know how they sound, just tune the treble on ur amp to max. that's is it. and i tested the similar track with goldring D100 headphone and my personal pk1 + HD580 + IM716 + ER6i. i never heard such grainy vocal.
but again. i had heard proac and dynaudio on some other setup which suit me more on my personal taste. just i can't forget the lush and relaxing sound staging of sonus.
sonus has it's on strength over what i love.

so not to say proac and dyaudio is inferior than sonus. infact sonus did use dynaudio driver once in a while before concertino comes out. until dynaudio stop selling driver to other factory, only sonus goes for vifa, scanspeak and audio technologies driver.

i just love the way sonus produced the sound. if your song taste is similar to mine, then i can safely assure you, that you won't love most of the speaker out there except sonus.
and sonus is very easy on ear even though at loud volume. while have all the details push so easily out to your ear. on low volume also. the sonus did let me feels the superior musicality.
when i was on sonus. i don't really care if its bass hit low enough or not. treble high or not. i will just treat them as music. instead of keep remembering..this is hifi hifi hifi..
this make me too tired. lol.

This post has been edited by PcWork: Mar 31 2009, 09:42 PM

sonus no need. but i think my amp does need like 20 minutes to get to warm up and sounds good.
generally it sounds good when on. just when i keep it on for longer time. it get sounds much more energetic.

hm.. normally ppl will suggest u somethings like Audio Analoge..
Audio Research or krell.
but for toy model.
i seriously think normal one shall do.
i am currently using old school NAD3020A as power amp (preamp section bypassed) and another pure class A preamp.
and it drive my concertino domus quite well
try look for some second hand amp.
i actually not pretty sure any lower budget amp can drive it well or not. but no harm u buy some second hand amp and try. if not like. sell it off with very minimal loss. if ok. stick with it.
i had personally tested a lot amp because i wanna replace this old NAD out. but i can't find one that suit my taste more than NAD until now.
but this doesn't applied to newer version of NAD. i tried them. and i don't like new NAD + Sonus concertino.

for entry sonus. i think old model is much more power hungry.
according to perfect hifi. that the newer series (aka domus). is design to be amp friendly.
and i did tested on the spot that it is not that power critical anymore.
however. the extreme performance of old sonus is no longer exits on domus series. older sonus when driven with crazy amp, often can produce sounds that is comparable than a much more bigger speaker.
especially bass and imaging.

there's a lot of ppl prefer concertino home over concertino domus..
but for me. i realise that domus has total change in sound characteristic except for the silky high and mid.
the bass is the parts that it changed. the old home. have much bigger quantity of bass. deep yet big.
however, the newer domus, has reduced the deep of the bass, and the quantity also. while shift the overall spectrum to slightly higher. not as fat as old home, but the detail of the bass is very well expressed compare to home.
old home, if not match with super powwer amp, the bass is one big bass, rounded and fat (that's why they call it slow). whilst the newer domus, the detail of the drum surface vibration can be clearly audible.

so it's really depends on what you like.
i personally prefer Concertino Domus + NAD 3020A sound the most despite the old Concertino Home + Krell. i tested it before i make my final decision of buying concertino domus.


imho that concertino domus is suited to the now days "hifi recording" sort of song. while the home is really musical compared to domus. when u listen to home, u won't really care of the bass hit low or not.. treble high enough or not. the attention will very much given to the music itself rather then equiptment.
although concertino domus also have similar feeling. but concertino home did it better.
but for special recording effect. i think concertino domus suits my taste more. =) since i take into consideration that my purchase is a one shot, i don't have any extra money for some really expensive amp.


PS: that's my opinion lah. and it's very much biased to my personal taste. =)

This post has been edited by PcWork: Apr 5 2009, 12:31 PM