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Revliss
post Nov 5 2008, 12:06 AM

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yes normal tinner will work but it will eat your plastic at the same time.
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Nov 4 2008, 10:50 AM)
Acrylic does not get ur AB gun clogged easily, there are few reasons y...
1. u din not have enough thinner in ur paint hence, paint too thick and get clog.
2. u din not clean ur AB gun properly so tat's y easily clog...

Ok, let me correct ur steps...
Step 1. Pre-assemble kit, sand kit, wash/wipe the dust off, spray with primer.... Primer bottles are the easiest to get clog, tat's y u must spray fast and dun leave it lying there.. the ratio for primer and thinner is 2:3, must put a lot of thinner.. remember

Step 2. spray Main/Base color, there are difference for acrylic and lacquer but i found that most ppl use lacquer for AB and YES u can use industrial thinner to clean ur AB. That should be the way..

Step 3. Paneling. Do not use acrylic paint. Acrylic DOES mix with lacquer paint, i'll give a chemical reaction.

Step 4. Top coat a layer. Top coats come with bottle not only spray cans...

Step 5. put decals

Step 6. Last layer of top coat...

You're Done~
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Thanks for the tips. very helpful.. Then i guess is my AB not in good condition.. Is an old AB afterall.. Im quite certain that my mixture is always done nicely.. enough thinner... I'll explain a bit how is my AB problem:

Usually when it spray... it spray nicely at first.. wide.. smooth n fine.... after just 1 minute ++... can feel d area become not as wide.. and less air can come through....So i have to press it even Deeper (Double action AB) .. but it wont get better.. as it will eventually start to spray WATER!!! thats when my model get spoil!!!! n i give up

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Does that mean my AB really got smthing wrong? i hv nvr try a new AB b4 so i cant tell if it is in DAMAGE condition or wat.. I have learn and do d cleaning the right way all d way.

I usually will keep spraying the colour until d colour totally used out...or model finish spraying.. Will not leave it there for more than even a minute.. will wash it directly.

Step 3. R u saying I should use lacquer paint for paneling too? wat i usually do for panelling on non-painted kit is..mix black acrylic with lots of thinner... then let it flow into the panel.. Wipe out the extra paint.. or scatch it off with a tooth pick since d paint is soft with thinner.. If i have a layer of colour below... will this technique affect the bottom layer?

thr r so many layer - Primer+ colour + topcoat + topcoat... will thr b problem of hving the kit surface expand by 1mm hmm.gif later the joint cannot move... tats d biggest challenge



QUOTE(edan1979 @ Nov 4 2008, 01:50 PM)
added up to what zero posted... step 3 the paneling... use enamel for panel lining...
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For Mr colour Gunze.. i know there is Acrylic flat head bottle and LAcquer the head with "handle"
But for Enamel? mind to explain? is it from Gunze too?


QUOTE(erh_teo @ Nov 4 2008, 01:58 PM)
actually acrylic can one, but the the gunze hobby acqueus one, that one quite weak, u use windex for cleaning, no affect lacquer layer. use water to dilute for washing panel line.
if got enamel, go for enamel.
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Windex.. the floor cleaning product that can be bought from ACE? I heard b4.... So u mean that thing works to cleaning up the acrylic without affecting the lacquer layer...(with topcoat on it)... if thats true...it makes the paneling works very well... thankz! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Nov 5 2008, 02:00 AM)
Thanks for the tips. very helpful.. Then i guess is my AB not in good condition.. Is an old AB afterall.. Im quite certain that my mixture is always done nicely.. enough thinner... I'll explain a bit how is my AB problem:

Usually when it spray... it spray nicely at first.. wide.. smooth n fine.... after just 1 minute ++... can feel d area become not as wide.. and less air can come through....So i have to press it even Deeper (Double action AB) .. but it wont get better.. as it will eventually start to spray WATER!!! thats when my model get spoil!!!! n i give up 

shakehead.gif

Does that mean my AB really got smthing wrong? i hv nvr try a new AB b4 so i cant tell if it is in DAMAGE condition or wat.. I have learn and do d cleaning the right way all d way.

I usually will keep spraying the colour until d colour totally used out...or model finish spraying.. Will not leave it there for more than even a minute.. will wash it directly.

Step 3. R u saying I should use lacquer paint for paneling too? wat i usually do for panelling on non-painted kit is..mix black acrylic with lots of thinner... then let it flow into the panel.. Wipe out the extra paint.. or scatch it off with a tooth pick since d paint is soft with thinner.. If i have a layer of colour below... will this technique affect the bottom layer?

thr r so many layer - Primer+ colour + topcoat + topcoat... will thr b problem of hving the kit surface expand by 1mm  hmm.gif later the joint cannot move... tats d biggest challenge

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hmmm... i'm not so pro in AB so i dun quite know ur problem, will let others answer...
about ur Step 3. Use Lacquer or Acrylic as ur base/1st color... when u wan to do paneling, just use enamel paint then let it flow, like u said...

Topcoat is very thin only unless u spray very thick, it wun affect ur joints... when i say topcoat, it's the whole kit not parts by parts biggrin.gif


Added on November 5, 2008, 2:52 am
QUOTE(KamenChaos @ Nov 4 2008, 08:06 PM)
Can I asked....
What is useful of cement?
I will make my weapon because my gundam weapon is broke.
I will buy Pla-plate but I don't know whait is it,give some pic.
I remember that is a soil like brown-yellow colour to make model,what is it?
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ur english very hard to understand sweat.gif
i'll try to answer u...

Cement, is for u to "glue" ur gundam parts 2gether to hold it permanently...

Pla-plate is just like a piece of paper but it is plastic and there are different "thickness"..

ur last question, duno wat u r trying to say

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:50 AM)
hmmm... i'm not so pro in AB so i dun quite know ur problem, will let others answer...
about ur Step 3. Use Lacquer or Acrylic as ur base/1st color... when u wan to do paneling, just use enamel paint then let it flow, like u said...

Topcoat is very thin only unless u spray very thick, it wun affect ur joints... when i say topcoat, it's the whole kit not parts by parts biggrin.gif

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may i ask..when u spray topcoat.. do u spray it in fully assembled (all attached together) or u spray Hand, legs, body etc separately?
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:50 AM)
hmmm... i'm not so pro in AB so i dun quite know ur problem, will let others answer...
about ur Step 3. Use Lacquer or Acrylic as ur base/1st color... when u wan to do paneling, just use enamel paint then let it flow, like u said...

Topcoat is very thin only unless u spray very thick, it wun affect ur joints... when i say topcoat, it's the whole kit not parts by parts biggrin.gif


Added on November 5, 2008, 2:52 am
ur english very hard to understand sweat.gif
i'll try to answer u...

Cement, is for u to "glue" ur gundam parts 2gether to hold it permanently...

Pla-plate is just like a piece of paper but it is plastic and there are different "thickness"..

ur last question, duno wat u r trying to say
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i think he meant bondite putty?

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QUOTE(ozak @ Nov 5 2008, 12:04 AM)
I suggest you try out the normal thinner and see how. tongue.gif  By the way what shopper said normal thinner is fine?
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err....I brought it from Famitoy and the shopper said that XD

anyway I brought the Tamiya Acrylic Thinner yester day XD
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Nov 5 2008, 02:50 AM)
ur english very hard to understand sweat.gif
i'll try to answer u...

Cement, is for u to "glue" ur gundam parts 2gether to hold it permanently...

Pla-plate is just like a piece of paper but it is plastic and there are different "thickness"..

ur last question, duno wat u r trying to say
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he means either bondite or resin gua... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(clivengu @ Nov 5 2008, 03:01 AM)
may i ask..when u spray topcoat.. do u spray it in fully assembled (all attached together) or u spray Hand, legs, body etc separately?
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let's say if u wan certain parts do have gloss then u spray separately lo... if whole thing matt then just spray the whole thing(all attached together), y nid so much hassle rite?

QUOTE(madmoz @ Nov 5 2008, 07:38 AM)
i think he meant bondite putty?
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think so.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(wingster @ Nov 5 2008, 07:55 AM)
err....I brought it from Famitoy and the shopper said that XD

anyway I brought the Tamiya Acrylic Thinner yester day XD
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congratz to u then...
btw, it's Bought not brought... bought is buy of past tense, brought is bring of past tense
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walau go correct ppl grammer oso.. hahaha..

btw.. clivengu..
the panel wash u can use either enamel on acrylics or lacquer, no big issue. just that even wt enamel, during clean up wt turpentine it will still able to "wash" abit of the acrylic/lacquer but not major harm. so use turpentine sparingly. always, test if unsure.

as for the ab, i think problem is prob more on ur compressor.
does ur compressor equipped with air tank, or just air tank?
if got air tank, check whether it's clogg with water/dirt inside.

one thing i can comment on ab handpiece is when u 1st spray, observe the spray mist from nozzle n spray pattern, coz it's usu mechanical worn off that usu spoil it. if everything sprays fine, i think ur prob is more on compressor.

for enamel, u may wanna get those fr humbrol or tamiya.
if it's not available, the those hobby acqueus color. windex is just a window cleaner, any brand will do, and it only works for acrylic acqueus (for me i've tried gunze's one, tamiya not sure). u may wanna try 1st if not sure.

for top coat, yeah as mention by z3r0717, it's done in really thin coat.
no issue, if u worry, avoid spraying moveable joints, armor attachement is stil ok.
spray in separate piece or whole, up to ur preference.
for perfection of course separate piece, practical wise, minimal separation if possible.


and for wingster..
u buy tamiya acrylic for stripping ur lacquer paint?


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nupe for the acrylic paint ........ (which I posted the picture last time)

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Hi all, I kinda lazy to scroll 1 page at a time.. just ask a simple question..
can anyone pm me or post here how to ensure the gundams dont collect too much dust while it rots at my drawer..

another question, i need help doing decals. can anyone help me please.

Please and thanks.
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everything will collect dust one la... sweat.gif
unless u dam rich go buy a big glass case, put all ur gundams in lor...

decals, u nid to do urself... wat's the fun if ppl do for u...
u juz nid the right tools...
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QUOTE(jonjack88 @ Nov 6 2008, 09:40 AM)
Hi all, I kinda lazy to scroll 1 page at a time.. just ask a simple question..
can anyone pm me or post here how to ensure the gundams dont collect too much dust while it rots at my drawer..

another question, i need help doing decals. can anyone help me please.

Please and thanks.
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You want tutorials on how to apply? That's easy, ask google. If you're really stumped, ask here!
You want to MAKE your own waterslides? So far i found only 1 - fichtenfoo has got tutorials on how to print your own decals.
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Windex is a Window Cleaner solution with active aammonia 3 ingredient ... cost about 29 per litter .. get the 2 liter pack! for 39$ ... some sifu use it to clear the AB Brush ... coz other solvent cost alot more ... btw good for acrylic paint ! other not sure!

try it if u dare!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windex




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no la mic.. buy giant or tesco brand can use liao.. as long ammonia is there can d smile.gif
rm6.9 for 2
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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Nov 6 2008, 12:36 PM)
no la mic.. buy giant or tesco brand can use liao.. as long ammonia is there can d smile.gif
rm6.9 for 2
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waht tesco brand also can ah ... Old Q Master Quote" @%!~#...$%%^&...@#$^&* ... taht y la, never try never know! ... erh_teo thanks for the info ... now who want a 2liter windex? i wanna sell .... hehehehe ...

according to Wiki Windex did contain IPA solvent... therefore it can dilute "acrylic", aka tamiya X20A thinner... those that dont know try wiki for it! ...

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teo study chemical in uni........
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er guys does mr mark softer has the function of mr mark setter? can i use mr mark softer as mr mark setter?
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nope... its a different thing....
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o thought one more powerful onli?

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