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post Mar 16 2009, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 16 2009, 01:07 PM)
I got more than enough Patlabor Cars no worries. The foundation and primer, do you use both? I mean what's foundation? I notice one of them when i spray i notice the lines i try to hide become more prevalent...

i just feel it's wasted if u are not doing something sure about them.. i spent some fortune to get one of them  sweat.gif

anyway.. back to the story..  sweat.gif
the white primer basically worked like a primer. if u are using them, can skip base white.
use base white on grey surfacer if u don't have white surfacer.


The sanding, I'm not with the airbrush, somehow if i open the nozzle for over 5 seconds paint splurts starts showing, so I have to sand the splurt parts.
prevention is better than cure. i usually "start" the spray where it "quirts" the paint drops somewhere in the air, then move to the parts.
if u aim and spray, most likely the 1st spray with squirts will hit ur kit parts laugh.gif


Normally how many layers of base, paint & top coat do we apply? I notice even 2 layers of base gets scratched off pretty easy.
many layers does not warant your paint from scratching off.
although a bit thicker paint somehow offers better protection from scratching till the base.
thick paint doesnt appeal to me, i still make sure parts touch each other as little as possible after a spray job.
even ur 2 layer is probably "thicker" than my 4 layers.
ur experience will later tell how thick will be sufficient icon_rolleyes.gif


How long does it take for water based paint to dry? And the mix is usually 50-50 water/paint?
around there. i go for 60-65 thinner%
it dries in 20-30 mins as i usually go for mist coat.
if i need to do something rough like sanding/polish/masking, i'll wait for a day or two.



Added on March 16, 2009, 1:09 pmI have another problem with the patrol car, there's these 2 antennas made of rubber. I cut both of them out and seems I though i treat them like normal parts but now i cannot remove the cut edges. I tried cutting but they are too elastic (the edges are vertical) and i can't sand them off.
i heard somebody freeze the rubber parts in fridge b4 sanding.
for me, i usually trim with new blade.


Same goes for the tyres but they are not big problem.
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post Mar 16 2009, 05:48 PM

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what is ur stormtrooper made of?
if it's vinyl plastic (soft/ flexible type) then i'm sorry coz, u can get a glossy finish.. but not a high shine finishing.

to achieve high shine finishing, u need to polish and wax ur fully cured gloss coat.
a flexible/soft surface will cause ur paint job to crack.


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post Mar 17 2009, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(Kinster @ Mar 16 2009, 08:01 PM)
Thanks for the responses, madmoz and erh_teo. smile.gif

I'm not sure what exactly the plastic is called, but it is not soft. It is rather hard, possibly the same material used to make gundam parts. So I guess there is no need to worry about the gloss coat cracking.
I don't require extreme high shine. The stormtrooper isn't entirely flat right now, I only want a bit more shine. That's the reason why I'm still on the fence between choosing Gloss or Semi Gloss. I'm afraid that if I wrongly chose Gloss and it turned out too shiny, then I'm doomed. sad.gif

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Added on March 16, 2009, 8:55 pmWell, pictures say a thousand words. Here's a picture of the trooper in question, next to a screen grab from the movie.
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I'm still undecided between Gloss or Semi Gloss...
Advice?  hmm.gif
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my only recommendations is to try the mr.topcoat by gunze (blue color can spray, NOT the gray Mr. SuperClear).
try with the gloss/semi-gloss u prefered.

coz if the effect not nice, u can strip if off with window cleaner (windex, ammonia base cleaner).
but before that, test on ur stoorm trooper if the windex is safe on ur paint, as windex is harmless to plastics.
coz normally it does not affect cured lacquer smile.gif
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post Mar 17 2009, 11:40 AM

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it's diff btw Mr.Topcoat (blue) and Mr. Super Clear (gray).
u can't strip Mr.Super clear with windex, since it's a lacquer.

u may wanna try with gloss. if u find it's too glossy, spray another thin layer with semi-gloss.

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post Mar 17 2009, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Kinster @ Mar 17 2009, 12:08 PM)
Wah! Then I'll have to buy 2 cans.  cry.gif
My earlier suggestion won't work?
3 layers Semi Gloss = 1 layer Gloss? Cannot? Hehe doh.gif
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u can try mist coat wt gloss though..
no need buy 2 can 1 shot la.
just buy the gloss, if too gloss, then miss coat. if cannot, just get another can semi glos lor

QUOTE(golbeza @ Mar 17 2009, 01:33 PM)
guise, for handpainting, do i really have to use those hobby paintbrushes? or i can use the normal paintbrushes? one more thing, for the bottle surfacer, can it be used for handpainting as well? or must it be aibrushed as well?
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yes. normal one oso can.
surfacer nope.. airbrush.
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post Mar 17 2009, 05:08 PM

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just go with either one...
if u find the gloss is not up to ur liking, then get the other one type and spray another layer.
simple. no fuss.

ur liking and my liking of gloss my differ...

best is try it urself...



btw.. mist coat is u dun spray until whole thing wet..
just "mist" spray the surface only..
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post Mar 17 2009, 05:37 PM

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if wet coat.. few hours to dry to touch. cured in 1-2 days.
mist coat 20-30 mins dry d..
to be save, just leave it overnight before u decided to do anything rough on it.



wah, david.. so "liao" ah.. the jolly roger skull on the zaku shield...


Added on March 17, 2009, 5:39 pmalso, for ur information, semi gloss clear somehow having some little "flat base" in it, so, even sprayed with wet coat, the gloss will be lesser in extend compared to "gloss clear".

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post Mar 17 2009, 05:55 PM

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HHQ add has been posted here before. use the search function faster smile.gif


mmm.. not quite, when spray gloss, u need to wait the whole thing dry only will see the actual results.

if u can't get the blue one, i suggest u get the gray one and test it somewhere.
well.. that can spray is much cheaper than ur storm trooper..
u choose smile.gif
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post Mar 17 2009, 06:06 PM

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well.. u get that only gloss storm trooper others get the matt one..
that's the diff everytime u look at it that matters..

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post Mar 18 2009, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 18 2009, 11:15 AM)
One problem with my double action top loaded airbrush. Normally splurts appear when you 1st open the nozzle and it evens out right?

My case if i open the nozzle for too long, maybe after 5 seconds splurts starts coming out. Not sure the problem is my airbrush or the paint?
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well.. it could be both.
sometimes a cheaper airbrush could tend to happen more often.
suspected gap between the needle and the nozzle tip, as everytime u finish spraying and releasing the needle back in position, u'll observe that there will be a small droplet of paint at the tip of the nozzle.
if paint too watery it also happen.
or sometimes after sometime spraying, u'll notice the paint build up at the "crown" (that piece of cap that covers the nozzle tip) as well.

normally wat i do is press the trigger first without pulling the needle back. doing this releases the air and the "spurts" in the air, while having the trigger "down", i begin pulling the trigger and paint will start spraying out..
it minimise the spurts somehow..

u can do this
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change the handpiece/ adjust ur thinning againt.
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 18 2009, 01:14 PM)
hi, i don't dare to touch the hose, because it might affect the tightness & sealing of the hose which may result in air leaks. Also don't know what sizes of hose to get.

If can I would like to modify the hose to fit my Gunze Sangyo pro-spray mk-iii. What do you guys think about this brush compared to toploaded? I notice Toploaded paint can spray longer while bottom loaded finishes pretty quick.
diff people got diff preference. its more a matter of preference i would say.
but i do find bottom/side feed is a bit less friendly for "agile" movement if u are spraying esp camo pattern free hand.


My compressor has a tiny airtank for buffering, there's a moisture trap i can see moisture accumulated in the trap. So how do i remove the trap? Is it auto drain or I need to do something?
there is usually a valve at the bottom of the moisture trap. just push it will release air when the air tank is filled wt compressed air
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...or hope that other people dun see the nip mark on the chrome part tongue.gif
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post Mar 18 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 18 2009, 04:03 PM)
you can touch up the nip part with metallic base sand and spray a glossy top coat. For other color just spray the same metallic base, sand and use semi transparent color & gloss top coat.

There are other Special Edition that doesn't come in metallic, like the MS-08 Team Camo versions, Transparent/Crystal versions etc. Some are event only like Metallic Zelgog etc they come in 1 color tone boxes.
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well.. again.. it all comes to point that.. well.. whether u r going to "build that kit" or just "own that special edition kit"... blush.gif

i'm not a collector, so i don't have much problem dealing with those nip mark on chrome parts.
but yes.. at some point, it's also frustrating if u have to build something that has chrome parts and the nip marks and seam line is at where it's not possible not to be seen.
e.g. old school cars with chrome bumper like volkswagen beetle, bikers etc... doh.gif


i can say, at this point of time, there's no paint that match exactly 100% of that "chrome plated" plastics.
there are chrome parts that looks like "chrome".. while looks realistically like "metal" but put together a "plated chrome".. it look different.. still cry.gif
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post Mar 19 2009, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 19 2009, 01:35 PM)
Tha compressor has an air tank. But very small one just for 8 second buffer don't know if you can count it as airtank. The compressor has auto on/off function by monitoring pressure in the airtank.

The one i used that splurts is basic dual action top loaded. The Gunze Sangyo pro-spray mk-iii i posted is the one i plan to use but connectors don't fit. I don't remember having much splurt on the Gunze last time i used it, just require more paint and u need minimum level of paint for it to work efficiently, but no problem since you can just remove the container and store it away. Also you can change paint nozzle size easily and you can move the paint nozzle closer/further from the air nozzle.
actually i oso kinda confused now by ur post tongue.gif
well... it's much easir to see wat u have in actual rather than seeing photos.
i can only think of changing the connector on the gunze handpiece to the one of ur external mix handpiece.
if that is interchangeable.
(there is one connector on the handpiece, and another one on the hose. i'm assuming like this:
gunze handpiece + connector A + hose connector X
external mix handpiece + connector B + hose connector Y

so what u can do is try fixing the connector B  on the gunze handpiece and use the hose connector Y



Initially wanted to get the compressor with a 1L airtank but my friend ask me to try this out. Well really didn't expect the airtank to be so small. Was thinking of getting one of those capsule shape air tank but i don't know what kind of connection it takes the connection is really a problem. Any good recommendations? The connector adapter are not cheap.


alternatively, bring the whole set to a hardware shop that sells air compressor and see if the boss there can help u out with the their available connector and hose.
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QUOTE(LagunaLoire @ Mar 19 2009, 02:20 PM)
happened to me too. pisses me off everytime my nice panel lines get smudged when i topcoat.

i usually dab my cleaning cloth with some tamiya thinner and rub to get rid of the topcoat on the smudged part. after repanel-line then respray.
i think tamiya thinner still remove significant amount of ur painted surface.
try zippo, if it can remove the ink, then good smile.gif
if can, u may wanna try enamel paint wash over acrylic/lacquer.


on a different note i believe tamiya thinner works on topcoat frosting too.
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post Mar 20 2009, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(akachester @ Mar 20 2009, 10:09 AM)
Wow, so there isnt any "easier" way to hide those stickers huh. Guess i have to live with that then. THanks for the tip there. smile.gif
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if u have any paint peel off, compare the thickness of the peeled paint with ur gundam sticker. it's way much thicker than the paint.
no way to hide the sticker under the paint without ugly thick coat of topcoats sad.gif
u can trim off the transparent edge, the sticker will be less obvious.. but no.. it will STILL be visible still as stickers.. only less obvious tongue.gif


Added on March 20, 2009, 11:48 am
QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 19 2009, 11:44 PM)
Do they sell decals for Patlabor? It comes with some dry transfer but like you said those warning stuff only comes in stickers.

Also what's the difference wet sand and normal sanding?
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I'm afraid there isn't any commercial one, unless u custom make ur own.
wet sanding is sanding with water, lesser friction and dust.
usually it's much easier to wet sand, less clogging of sandpaper and less heavy "scratches"..
normal sanding.. just sanding straightaway with sandpaper..


Added on March 20, 2009, 11:50 amozak...
where did u get the hose reducers adaptor and the open/close valve??
looks convenient ler...


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post Mar 23 2009, 10:44 AM

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maybe u can refer this wip, i'm currently doing it still
http://plamo.outthere.info/forum/showthread.php?tid=4863
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post Mar 23 2009, 12:12 PM

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MH got mah.. but now u have to wait until mid apr before they back to operation.
alernatively, TU at 1U new wing basement 2nd.
or HHQ.
get tamiya coarse, fine, finishing, and tamiya wax for extra shine.
easy to use and easy to get.
but sometimes stocking might be bit sweat.gif
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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Mar 23 2009, 12:34 PM)
HHQ dont have rite
last time i been there cannot find it also
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most probably.. they mostly cater stuffs for planes guys.. sweat.gif
i remember MH got before they close down last 2 weeks ago hmm.gif
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ask davelcm. he knows better... hehehe..
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but the toothpaste polishing won't make ur thing bling bling.. i think the mesh grit is equivalent to around 1200-1500 only if i'm not mistaken.
the finishing is something smooth satin.. not shiny one oh...

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