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post Feb 27 2009, 06:33 PM

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safe as in?
which lacquer u refering? industrial or hobby?

mr. basewhite can be used as a primer only in one sense, to provide a solid color base before u paint on main color (usually ppl use it when they wanna spray white, yellow or red, otherwise use grey surfacer can already).
mr. basewhite "grip power" to plastic is weak. that is paint might peel off if used without surfacer.


Added on February 27, 2009, 6:35 pmso if u wanna spray light color, duwan to hassle spray surfacer and then spray basewhite, use mr.surfacer white instead (only available in spray can though).
search in www.hlj.com, if u don't know how it looks like.

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post Mar 2 2009, 10:58 AM

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best wait overnight for it to fully harden before start sanding.

one is thick one is watery.
deluxe u apply 2 side like spreading butter, then put together and press.
thin cement u put to piece of plastic together, apply the cement through the gap/seam between the plastic and press. this one will have lesser "body/residue" if apply properly.

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post Mar 2 2009, 12:30 PM

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or go to any electrical shop, jln pasar at pudu there got alot.
many ranges of site cutter, cheaper than rm10 oso got.

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post Mar 2 2009, 04:27 PM

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waluaheh.. read ur story for no picture.. shakehead.gif

boss..
hand paint not easy.. now u know ler whistling.gif
one thing.. u still can get nice painting by hand brush though, but most problem is most people they just dun have the patience to do hand paint.
coz the few 2 layers will look like very ugly coz the color seem uneven.
so wat they do, whack a heavy layer.
wrong way to paint anything that way.


as long as ur surface is not rough/matt/flat, can use decal. just make sure u have mr.mark settler ready by side.

if u wan easy use gundam marker to paint the gold/yellow part on the sinanju small parts lar.


for circular subject, i suppose u wanna say "masking" round things?
get circular cutter to cut masking tape of the shape then mask on ur kit sweat.gif

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post Mar 4 2009, 11:36 AM

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mr surfacer = primer.
same same.

wet sanding will have less friction.
depends that u r doing, sanding can be all the way from 220 grid to 8000 grit and more.
proper sanding will give u sharp edge, less scratches, etc..
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post Mar 4 2009, 12:42 PM

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order online lor.
it's not big stuff so if it's a must for u, shipping cost shouldn't be killing u.
yup, it's basically plastic sheet of diff thickness, usually PS (polystyrene).

in fact some plastic producing industries carries them, u might wanna check ur local shops for plastic traders.


Added on March 4, 2009, 12:44 pm
QUOTE(Steiner @ Mar 2 2009, 05:42 PM)
Heheh. Paiseh. ^^;

I kinda got the grasp of handpainting liao. Have to slowly put thin layer by layer then is the proper way.

Mark settler..gotcha. But dry decals also can use that right?

marker ah. Don't know my laoya hobby shop still got anot.  doh.gif So that means the small parts no need prime?

BTW, whats gundam real touch marker?

And nono not masking. Like I spray the circular object with topcoat liao, how to let it dry? Cant place it down ma otherwise the topcoat sure touch other surface before drying. blink.gif
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dry transfer just apply only, make sure the surface is flat, no need mark setter. mark setter/softer for waterslide decals only blush.gif

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post Mar 6 2009, 10:25 AM

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dun play with it lor... tongue.gif

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post Mar 6 2009, 02:22 PM

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well actually that attachemnt piece is quite short, if u extend that attachment points, means u have to drill the holes further.

why not check out keita's SF, see what he did with that part..
if it's not modified.. then maybe u oso shouldn't be bothered at all... heheehe..


Added on March 6, 2009, 2:26 pm
here:
http://wonderexcellence.sub.jp/gallery/sflere/sflere.htm

seems like he used a yellow submarine ball joint wink.gif
see the 6th picture..


Added on March 6, 2009, 2:28 pmthe 6th pic (right bottom corner inset picture)

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post Mar 6 2009, 04:09 PM

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putty got many type.
it's just general terms..
if i'm not mistaken, those yellow one is polyester, green one i'm not sure.

it's a putty oso but i'm not sure it's content. it should sand easier than the yellow one, usually to fix the flaw/hole on the yellow one.
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post Mar 10 2009, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(evanrue @ Mar 9 2009, 10:31 AM)
smile.gif any particular brand to recommend bro? i dont want to use those household elephant glue, scared..  sweat.gif
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if i'm not mistaken those figure is usually pvc, not normal styrene (PS).
sorry.. no idea sweat.gif
if a figure is broken, usually u've to sacrifice the movement by gluing it dead end, no more movement.
try A+B epoxy glue. but no movement though after the joint is glued.

QUOTE(davelcm @ Mar 10 2009, 11:24 AM)
MG Hi NU has very tight fitting. especially the joints around the crotch portion. is the kit snap fitted? if it is, disassemble the kit and check properly if u've used the correct parts. some small differentiation in size may result in extremely tight joints.
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yala.. maybe u wanna open it back see maybe certain area of the plastic is not properly cut, causing friction/blocking the movement. wink.gif
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post Mar 10 2009, 04:39 PM

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xl-shop
midvalley, ampang and bts
there's a pin list go find la.
those shope mentioned by rayloke oso got.
but since u stay far far, better call b4 going..
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post Mar 10 2009, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(edan1979 @ Mar 10 2009, 05:16 PM)
errr.. i though hhq already shifted shop near chan show lin???
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yeah.. near chan sow lin, but stil along that tun razak stretch.. near the jln loke yew/tun razak intersect roundabout there biggrin.gif
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post Mar 11 2009, 10:04 AM

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oh.. that stretch is sg.besi liao is it tongue.gif, coz it's the same road didn't realised..
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post Mar 12 2009, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 12 2009, 06:53 AM)
ABout the decal part. Why spray gloosy before apply and another glossy after apply, then flat coat?

Also regarding removing the seam line, how do we do it without actually snapping the parts together? I remember before a book say remove those snap points and do a dummy assemble and remove the links, remove the parts then paint, then snap back and apply cement.
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they do actually "modify" the joint.
that modification is call c-clamp mod.
it's pretty hard to explain without pic.

see the pic i draw:
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in the pic, joint the part indicated by (1), cover the seam line
remove the part colored in red (2)
slide in (3) once both has been painted.
note: just the gap just nice for it to slide in, it might be difficult to take out one (1) is done, so before u glue, test many many time until u satifsfy then only start gluing the part (1).

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almost similar to the 1st type.

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post Mar 12 2009, 11:56 AM

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mistakes is your best sifu biggrin.gif
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post Mar 12 2009, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 12 2009, 10:42 AM)
So is there a reason to spray another glossy coat after the decals applied, then a flat top coat? Won't spraying so many levels of coat on places with decals make those parts uneven compared to parts without decals? Also with 2 glossy then 1 flat coat, the outcome would be different right?

Also if you plan to do weathering, then top coat, do you do it part by part or assembled, seeing it's difficult to do weathering unassembled as you have difficulty visualizing the weathering effects. Unless it's just spraying darker color on the corners to make it more 3D.

The seamless part seems the most difficult thing to do. Can I just sand the sides of each part where 2 parts will close up to reduce the seamlines? What number of sandpaper should i use to do this?
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well.. actually.. don't be misled by what u see.
what u see u think it's difficult most of the time is not.
what u can't see is usually the most difficult.

the method i've drawn (although ugly) by far is the easier method than to assembled, paint, assemble the other part, cover seam line, mask the inner part and paint.
disadvantage is sometimes the cutting might be overdone, making the joint loose.
but most of the kit nowadays don't have to do those mods i mentioned above.
basically u just cover the seam and it's ready to slide in without much cutting here and there.

for sanding, for rough chunk use a metal file or any grid below 400#
then move to 600 or 800#
finish off with 1000 or 1200# to remove those scratches from sandpaper sanding.
all this grid also easily available from hardware stores.

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post Mar 12 2009, 02:55 PM

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dude.. what the hell is that?
if u are looking for things.. this is not the place to ask..
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post Mar 12 2009, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 12 2009, 02:23 PM)
I never used water slide decals on Gundam yet since they have to be purchased separately. But the sticker type marking for those "cautious" notes are kinda difficult to put up properly since they are much thicker than water slides.
just the the water slide one, even though have to buy separately, it's much better than the sticker.

The only basic things i haven't tried are these remove seamlines & top coating & puttying. Though last time I skipped painting white on the Gundam coz I found out the White Surfacer actually looks good, and it's flat too...

The top coat I tried once on a model car interior, the outcome was quite horrible. Had difficulties controlling the throttle of the can in the end some coat came in splurts, and it looked like old dashboards put under the sun for years.

I'm gonna start doing MG Patlabors so trying to find the best way. I only have 3 Patlabors I try to do as good as possible on the 1st one.
if u wanna spray paint, i suggest u test it on some crap kit until u satisfy then only try on ur patlabor.
once u know how spray can works, it should work the way it should. avoid almost empty cans as the pressure varies and start quirting paints.
once should always spray from one direction to the other in one flow direction, never start and stop spraying at ur plastic kit, always start spraying at somewhere and stop somewhere (not aiming at ur kit).


The top coat you can't really sand them right? But do you wash them before you apply top coat after sanding the paint? Is it OK to wash them with water?
better dun.
sometimes paint peel off easily, unlike primer, topcoat or any painted layer is sandable but has the tendency to peel off especially not handled properly.
polish with tamiya polishing compound if u need to.
can wash wt water + small amount of dish washing detergent.


Another question of preference. Do you guys apply the base paint when the parts are still on the tree or you apply individually after mock assembly -> remove seamlines. Coz it take really big amount of time if you spray the base primer individually, also waste alot of paint too.
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i don't know, to me, something that look nice must be worked upon.
easy way may worked but if u gonna do it, must as well do it the proper way.
if painting without removing major seamline,
painting kits parts still on runner,
why bother to paint at 1st place?
if u apply primer properly, u'll realised actually little paint is needed to stick to the plastic.
if u do it properly, nothing is really wasted.


in fact u can't get a total solution by asking questions here.
u might get a clearer picture if asking face to face from a experienced modeller, but still try it..
get some cheap kit and try it.
u'll know where u stand and definitely u'll able to produce satisfactory results if u keep trying.
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just ask them.
ACE usually stock them. ask the personel there la..
u can easily get them.
try normal big hardware store. usually jusco, tesco, carrefour dont sell grid > 800#
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 16 2009, 10:42 AM)
Yesterday started out my stuff. Initially wanted to do the Patlabor Ingram 3 but figure might be better to warm up with the 1/35 EX Patrol Car instead. Was a good choice... found a few problems:

bad choice man.. that 1/35 ex patrol car is such a treasure and hard to find.. shame that u use that to test u aribrushing skills.
hope nothing bad happen  sweat.gif


1.Compressor + Airbrush. Well 1st time using my new rm450 taiwan compressor with top loaded airbrush. I wanted to use back my old Gunze Sangyo Pro-Spray MK-iii since i know the brush better, but OMG the connector doesn't fit! So I had to try out the supposingly cheap top loaded airbrush. The compressor comes with an airtank, but is so small it's just for buffering so you get uninteruptable air, whole tank last like 5 seconds of spraying so the compressor auto pumps air in when Pressure drops. There is an moisture trap anyone know how to dry them out?
there's a release button/valve at the bottom of it, normally i just press it, it will release air and water..

Top loaded are so inconvenient, need to clean every paint change (how do i clean the nozzle???). Offers more control (dual action) but less configuration flexibility (1 nozzle size). Saves more paint compared to bottom loaded Gunze but really hate the cleaning part.
pour some thinner in the cup, then cover the nozzle crown with ur finger tip, press the trigger and pull it. the air will back flow into the cup.
that back flow action will bubble in the cup and wash the paint inside.
spay till the thinner all gone. may repeat one more time to flush everything out.
that's it.
if tooooo dirty then u have to open the nozzle and crown and wipe it off.


2.What's the difference between Mr.Surfacer White 1000 & Mr.Base White 1000? I don't know which to use so I chose Surface White 1st. Which one is better for glossy looks?
one is a primer and the latter is a foundation.
both should be semi-gloss, closer to satin.
clear coat gloss if u want gloss. or use white gloss straight after white surfacer.


3.Masking tape. I really need a good one. I used Post It & Blue tack, the post it is pretty good but not sticky when it comes to non flat surface. The Blue tack is difficult to mask properly, and somehow it sticks the paint out. So I'm wondering are Tamiya Masking tapes are better if blue tack sticks the paint?. What's the usual price and which variant should i go for, so at least i know how much i've been ripped off as I don't have time to search for deals...
just get the tamiya. no fuss. make sure u always use a clean edge, if it's edge stick with fiber/hair, cut the masking tape half vertically, use the freshly cut side. always burnish the edge, this will make sure lesser paint bleed.
spray light coat away from the tape edge.


The cars so small with so few parts yet it took me 1 full day to paint most of the parts... The time consuming part is the sanding after each spray. Now I need some masking tape!
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