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post Jan 2 2009, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Dec 31 2008, 12:24 PM)
not the mustache, the inner part of the mustache, just like the MG F91, got 2 layers one.
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i think i know wat u wanted to ask.
sadly, most ppl wanted to ask things and they just keep doing the same thing asking same questions which the other reader thought it has been answered.

u shud take the initiave to show some pic to ask what u wanted to be assisted off.

jus a google away u've prob able to get ur hands off handful of pic.

enuf of my irritating lectures..

lets see..
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u'll see 2 types of lining, type 1 and type 2.
i think ppl here thought u ask about type 1 lining which is a very common lining where u draw the lining and clean off the excess/overdrawn area. due to the sunken panel, u will likely to retain the ink in the "panel" leaving a clean line.

type 2 lining is a bit of tricky where u r attempting to draw a line around "corners". there is no panel or groove.
when u clean up access ink, it simply gone all.
u have two options:
1st get a 0.02mm markers from the brand copic markers. (search urself if u don't what's dat sweat.gif )
2ndly.. u need to create those panel/groove like those in type 1 lining, which means.. re-scribing. then use method type 1 lining to solve ur problem.

obviously 2nd option is not recommended for newbies and my advise is just get the super fine tip 0.02mm copic markers and just do the lining around the corners.

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post Jan 2 2009, 02:34 PM

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dat's why ppl use diluted enamel paint (usually) and paint wt brush.
just a touch onto the panel, the ink will flow into the panels. clean up excess with small amount of turpentine.

if u paint only on bare unpainted plastics, just get some acrylic paint and dilute with hobby thinner until like watery, use fine tip brush and touch the lining and clean up with hobby thinner.

wat type (acrylic or enamel) oso no problem if use on bare plastics, use enamel if u paint wt acrylics.

if u don't mind ugly thick panels, just finish off wt gundam marker lor... :lol
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post Jan 5 2009, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(boltguard @ Jan 5 2009, 12:47 AM)
guys, which methods are recommended?  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif

a. mr colour, topcoat, lining & decal, topcoat again

b. mr colour, lining & decal, topcoat again

c. mr colour, lining, topcoat, decal, topcoat again

note that the above has no primer/surfacer to begin with  wink.gif
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the topcoat steps is a preparation steps for lining (washing) & decalling.
if u can prep up ur mr.color paint coat perfectly smooth, u basically dun have to topcoat.
if u cincai topcoat and ur preparation layer is still unsmooth.. it's pointless anyway as u might encounter some lining and decalling problem (silvering)..
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post Jan 7 2009, 04:04 PM

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itu dia ada keluar mah.. gundam color, (with the box of infinite justice)
but the color code name very weird.. like "red (02)"
so i couldn't tell how or wat color is that. the box came wt 3 colors, pinkish maroon, purple, dark grey
got mine fr famitoys..
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post Jan 8 2009, 01:54 PM

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definitely all paint that comes in bottle needs thinning whether for hand painting or airbrushing..

but.. hand painting is no easy job, in which mastery requires more effort compare to airbrushing.

have not tried on full-scale (whole kit) handpainting, but as far as i know correctly.. u'll need to thin the paint alot, and work with at least few layers to get a nice coverage which is not too thick that cover surface details..
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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jan 8 2009, 01:54 PM)
definitely all paint that comes in bottle needs thinning whether for hand painting or airbrushing..

but.. hand painting is no easy job, in which mastery requires more effort compare to airbrushing.

have not tried on full-scale (whole kit) handpainting, but as far as i know correctly.. u'll need to thin the paint alot, and work with at least few layers to get a nice coverage which is not too thick that cover surface details..
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not mix and paint meh?
mixing paint for handpainting and mixing colors for AB got diff ka? blink.gif
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post Jan 8 2009, 05:36 PM

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i mean this "From my experience hand painting has a very limited option of color and need quite a number of rules to apply or else it will mess up in the end."

sorry that now only i realised i quoted my own post. i'm referring ur post tongue.gif

got limited color option meh?
for hand paint or airbrush i stil mix and use the same way mah...
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post Jan 9 2009, 04:37 PM

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diff. those gundam color, despite flat top, see properly, it's labeled as "Mr.Color".
those water base is "Mr.Hobby Color".
so Mr Gundam Colors have to use thinner.
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post Jan 12 2009, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(boltguard @ Jan 9 2009, 10:46 PM)
btw, can tell me wut are those thingies in the shield  , wut are they called?   , and the white thing on the eye (i noe it's not real eyes ;p), and the small yellow thing on the chest part
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yellow = masking tape (to temporarily stick that unglue part)
greenish/grey = putty/filler
white = probably just pla-plate card or bare plastic

next, is there any way to make the shield blade to be sharpen until so sharp wan?  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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sand.. sand.. sand..
jap can do super sharp katana, this is really nothing... hehehe..
just slowly sand out the shape lor..

wuts with the white thing between the booster pack? ;D, and how to fill in between the gundam 'ears'?, and how to make the GN drives longer? (it seems longer to me)
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sry if i ask too much T_T, it's just that i wanna try modding with my own hands, gotta start trying now ;p, if possible, i need tutorials too T_T
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tak tau.. can't seem to identify that part u talking... sori...


Added on January 12, 2009, 12:34 pm
QUOTE(-Kouichi- @ Jan 10 2009, 05:52 PM)
thx thx alot..so i can't just simple use paint wash technique for pane lining huh?
so generally most of the pros use the wash technique or gundam marker??
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paint wash technique talks about paint compatibilty.
as long as the type of paint for lining does "not react with underneath paint", u just need to clean up outside panel line for a clean crisp line. coz some tiny panel, pen tip cant go in so use wash.
nothing to do with pro or not blush.gif

QUOTE(raidenVT @ Jan 10 2009, 10:41 PM)
Hi guys, noob here, do y'all hav any idea of how to get tis kinda gold?
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i saw the quote "sm-02", i guess it's a gunze's maziora paint, it's mixed with other paint so i'm not sure how it will look.
look at the paint code, try ur luck google see u'll the result not (pic)
can't help much cool2.gif


Added on January 12, 2009, 12:34 pm
QUOTE(bazlit @ Jan 11 2009, 12:05 AM)
Please excuse me. Between V1 and V2, there are hundreds of pages to search and I just need a simple answer.

I'm a noob at gunpla-ing and I'm looking to flat coat my existing kits. I don't paint my kit (not that patient biggrin.gif) but I really like flat finishes so my question is will Mr Super Clear Flat coat ruin my existing decals?  unsure.gif

A Yes or No with short explanation is greatly appreciated.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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for mr.lazy.
use gunze water based can spray (blue label) is very safe and easy to use. only becarefull not spray too thick coz it will "frost" (got white patches like ice frost effect). i sugest u try on scrap plastic with spare decals to try on the 1st hand experience for best control.
grey label is solvent based, if u spray too thick it might affect ur decals.
my guess it Mr. Super Clear Flat is "grey label", so try get the blue one.
the pinned tutorial by vincc454 has some pic samples.


QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jan 11 2009, 05:06 AM)
hmm... was about to ask the same question from raidenVT

what number color of mr hobby color to mix in order to get gold metallic?

gold is no.9 and how to get the metallic parts?
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it's some other color series fr gunze, try google for "gunze maziora paint"

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post Jan 12 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Jan 12 2009, 12:56 PM)
guys, is it recommended if use gundam marker metallic gold on MG strike freedom? paint by hand though.
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if i say no, wat u donna do?
if i say yes, u'll prob end up wt ugly streaks of gold like wat u'd expect to see coloring wt markers.
if u don't own an airbrush, it's best paint wt can spray. brush painting with metallic is tough.
those marker is for you to use for highlight/color small parts.
get a can spray of gold paint, that wud be ur best option if u want to paint that part in gold with minimum fuss.

QUOTE(bazlit @ Jan 12 2009, 02:43 PM)
erh_teo, thank you so much! That was absolutely helpful.
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no problem smile.gif
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post Jan 13 2009, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(raidenVT @ Jan 12 2009, 05:06 PM)
cant get much from google though @.@ rclxub.gif i'll end up get a normal gold spray for that. thx for reply.

Btw any1 knows whr can i get alclad 2 lacquer in kl?
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i tried but unsuccessful as well.. well, maziora by gunze it's very rare to found, malaysia.. not a chance.
try chamellion paint, maziora paint, or flip flop paint u'll get something similar fr other paint manufacturers.
anyway.. a can of gold spray just save the mess tongue.gif

alclad 2 lacquer ?
u can try HHQ (Hobby HQ)
here:
Address: 52-1 (TKT 1), Jalan Metro Pudu, Fraser BIZ Park, 55100, KL

Telephone number: 603-92238588, 603-92239588

QUOTE(yshiuan @ Jan 12 2009, 07:34 PM)
how much for a can of gold metallic spray, my area is like doh.gif cant find anything related to gunpla and paint.
thx for the help.
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u can find gold marker but not gold paint laugh.gif
my advise is get hobby type as it sprays thinner.
or get industrial one but bear with the less-attractive gold colors or the thick paint. if u necessary have to, get one and try it out somethere. if u like the effect, go with it blush.gif

QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jan 12 2009, 08:52 PM)
@erh_teo

thanks for the info
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no problem
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post Jan 13 2009, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jan 13 2009, 12:07 PM)
erh_teo: wow bro, u hv been introducing maziora  paint? that one is hyper expensive!!!!



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i rather not knowing the cheaper alternatives.. makes me feel like a lollipop sucker liao doh.gif

saw the paint code (SM-02), then i suspect it's maziora.. not really promote la.. sweat.gif


v-hunter, can try MH at pj section 14 (check out the pinned thread on toys & hobby shop for the address)



Kouichi..
ur question is like.. if i start playing badminton, must i buy a yonex racquet or any brand that i can grab at Mydin store.
of course, it all comes with experience and skill to come out something nice, but surely "it" performs differently. hope u understand the "must to use" term.
the choice simply up to u blush.gif
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then the maziora not using "SM" prefix coding meh??
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post Jan 15 2009, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Jan 13 2009, 11:17 PM)
maziora is CM prefix code la
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yaya.. baru semalam check.
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confirm it's CM biggrin.gif
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post Jan 20 2009, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(em0ti0n @ Jan 17 2009, 03:35 AM)
if i wash my gundam parts with mr hobby thinner will the plastic melt?
coz i was so stpd to play a lining marker on it then it appears when i ab the parts. i tried resurface but the lining does not goes off and it makes the surface thicker.. haizzz doh.gif

now thinkin to wash it with thinner, but b4 i do this, i wanna know if this action will make the things worse...

editted: does not goes off means that it still viewable after paint is applied.  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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wat paint u applied?
(i kena before, marker under primer still have "shadow", it's very sad sad.gif )
if u use acrylic (Mr. hobby or tamiya), try use window cleaner aka windex, any brand will do.
if u use mr.color, try brake oil "dot3" (i haven't try myself by i've read few sucess stories b4)
if u use can spray, most prob ur last hope is brake oil.
one of my fren tried brake oil, it didnt work so u still have to try urself.
brake oil may coz some brittleness of ur plastic.

if u rili need to save ur kit, then rub with hobby thinner but it's a nighmare vmad.gif


Added on January 20, 2009, 4:30 pm
QUOTE(-Kouichi- @ Jan 17 2009, 05:09 PM)
erm..wanna ask sumthing noob

how do i use mr.base white??it's use for??
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mr.base white is to give a "white foundation" before u paint other colors.
so the color u paint later will be "original". esp, white, yellow, red or light colors.
if u paint straight on plastic (other than white) or primer (grey), ur color coat may be a bit darker than wat u want.
and mr.base white is not a primer, it's diff from primer coz does not has the durability of a primer. it's just a foundation color.
"WHITE SURFACER (white primer)" is available if u wanna prime ur kit in white but only available in can spray.
mr. base white has advantage over normal mr.color white as it's a lacquer, and more opaque and sticks better.
u need to prime wt normal surfacer (1000 or 1200) before u apply base white.
dark colors, black or metallic colors not affected if applied straight on grey primer.


QUOTE(raidenVT @ Jan 19 2009, 10:56 PM)
erm, wanna ask here is that enamel paint use for lining and painting are different?
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same.
but if u use enamel for painting, u won't wanna use back enamel for lining.
the purpose people use enamel wash over lacquer/acrylic is bcoz enamel thinner does not harm it.
so u can clean up the messy line without affecting ur painted color.

QUOTE(Luen @ Jan 20 2009, 02:37 AM)
erm may i know whr i can get this weathering set in KL ?

http://www.hlj.com/product/GNZGMS107

Besides that, is there any other brand or way tat is recommended for doing weathering ?

I'm using it for military aircraft model kit.. wanted to do the rusted panel lines..

Sorry for the nub question, and thanks for answering >< hehe
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u don't have to use those wat. i see many people use acylic drybrushing/enamel wash for weathering.
those markers are hard to get and expensive.
just my 2 cents blush.gif

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QUOTE(blowsperior @ Jan 20 2009, 04:40 PM)
Dear erh_teo,

Thanks for your detail informations
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err.. i didn't answer ur question though blush.gif
but if it's regarding the mr.base white, sorry if i meant to correct ur post.
i too been wandering long wat was the diff of using mr. base white as to using other alternatives.
u know, it's a waste if i get something redundant and GSI certainly has their reason to market mr.base white.
i forgot where i got the explanations but somehow i'm cleared now of it's usage smile.gif

QUOTE(Luen @ Jan 20 2009, 04:56 PM)
@ erh_teo

do u mean by buying maybe a rust brown enamel paint from maybe tamiya for example;

den i use a brush to brush it to make the effect as i like? sorry for asking so much hehe, my only experience is panel lining lol, so there's lots of things tat i wanna make sure before i do it and spoil my kit ><
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weathering is a bit tough, dun ask me coz i'm not military guy..
but a quite search through armor/military modelling might helps..
it's not relying on material but oso reference and technique.

u might wanna try this:
http://z12.invisionfree.com/ScaleModelsMal...dex.php?act=idx
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QUOTE(blowsperior @ Jan 21 2009, 12:14 AM)
erh_teo,

Yes, I'm talking about Mr.Base White 1000. U dun need to say sorry, instead I should thank u for correcting me  blush.gif
-Kouichi-,

I'm sorry  blush.gif
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it's ok man blush.gif

QUOTE(matkoi @ Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM)
I was also planning on using enamel paint for lining.The problem is most of the shop i went to is out of stock on enamel paint.That's why at the moment I'm using Gundam Marker.Another thing is I want to know how correct any error in lining using both method of gundam marker and enamel paint.
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ray already mentioned, try HHQ blush.gif
search back 2-3 pages back i think i tried to answer similar questions b4, or u can click "Show posts by this member only" at my post, will show all the post i posted in this thread, easier to find it smile.gif

QUOTE(Jicco @ Jan 21 2009, 08:11 PM)
Hi all,

I posted this on the general enquiries but no reply, so gonna try here too smile.gif Hope that's ok
I'm looking for affordable airbrush set to start up. Any idea where is the best place to go? Both airbrush and compressor.

Thanks

ADD:

Is this set consider good for beginner to mid level usage? (Compressor ok?) RM400+ for the set ok?
Many thanks smile.gif

Specification:

* Auto Stop Pressure Switch
* Power:1/4 HP (60W)
* Never needs lubrication.
* maintenance free.
* Air Flow: 68L/min
* Max.Pressure:3.5Bars
* Max. Working Pressure: 50psi
* Coil Spring PU Hose: 6mm OD x 3 Meter
* Electric Cable:1.2M
* 1/4" Air Outlet Thread
* Mini body air compressor for your easy handling and storage.
* Low noise. 50dB
* A good help in your painting, spraying and inflating jobs.
* Approx. Length: 190mm
* Approx. Width : 100mm
* Approx. Height: 150mm
* Approx. Weight: 4.1Kgs

Airbrush Specification:

* Air Consumption: 15~30Psi
* Double-action Trigger Air-Paint Control
* Gravity Feed
* Top Mounted 7cc Fluid Cup with Snap On Lid
* 0.3 mm Nozzle
* Light weight Alloy Steel
* Back Screw Spray Control
* Precise Air Point Control
* Spanner, Eye Dropper and Case Included
* Ideal for Crafts, Fingernails and Automotive Painting
Content:

* Mini Air COMPRESSOR
* PU Coil Spring Hose 6mm O.D x 3 Meter
* Pen Type Mini Airbrush
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got pic, i supposed it has an air tank?
the specs should be ok.
or try this fella, from sunway (KL/PJ)
http://mgs2u.com/index/


QUOTE(Luen @ Jan 23 2009, 12:40 AM)
erm just another nub question,

i used MR.hobby black color + water, to do some weathering, maybe i bought the wrong turpentine and it cant mix with the MR.hobby color so i used water instead, lazy to go out n get a new thinner or turpentine..

so i used it as a weathering to my model aircraft.. my question is will this weathering wear off overtime? like it will slowly slowly go away maybe in years to come, or it will stay, without a flat coat on it of course, i do not have them atm and i dun think i will buy one haha..

EDIT: forgot to mention, its just the surface of the plastic, without any primer or anything, no watsoever paint too before the weathering, just pure from the runner --> weathering
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taukeh.. itu mr.hobby color is water based, turpentine is oil-based, that's y it wont mix ma tongue.gif
u need to get either tamiya enamel or humbrol to work with turpentine/oil wash method.
weathering shud stay but it's still better to topcoat for further protection dude.

last part i dun get u.. u dun plan to paint ur kit?

anyway, a ref to ur weathering without painting will look like this:
http://plamo.outthere.info/forum/showthread.php?tid=5053

happy modelling icon_rolleyes.gif


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dunno oso..

pic not that clear of the "flaked" part. is it paint lifting off when u pull the blue tac?

i knw:
mr.hobby color easier to chip/flake than mr.color
no primer or unclean painted/bare plastic easier to chip
blue tac new one prob easier to coz chipping.

i tried blue tac masking on my 144 plane no problem wor.
i primed my kit as usual, i sprayed mr.color, thin layer, use old blue tac (with many paint residue tongue.gif), masked paint, pull out, ok wor..
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QUOTE(VHunter @ Feb 3 2009, 11:10 AM)
I will getting a Super Clear Flat this weekend to flatten my 00 Gundam. Now the question is:
1) How many layers of spray should I go for? Will the paint turns whiter and whiter when I spray for layer of Clear flat onto it?
i suggest u get the mr.topcoat (blue color can).
it's more forgiving than mr. super clear (grey can).
in case screw-up u can remove with window cleaner (can get from giant, tesco, any home departmental store).
if u screw up with mr. super clear.. bye bye liao.
i recommend mist/thin layer each time u spray.
let the paint totally dry (2-3 hours) and see the "flatness". no enough flat go 2-3 more layers.
usually one thick coat may cause "frosting" or uneven patches of semi-gloss to matt area.



2) Can clear parts be flatten? Planning to paint the clear part black and then flatten the black, can this be done?
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yess. flat coat will flatten/frost clear parts. either assemble the clear parts later or mask the clear parts.
if u spray clear part black then flat-coat it, it will be flat black. blush.gif
of course it can be done, but is that what u wanted hmm.gif ?
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if u use cautiously and dun over-spray, the grey type in fact will give a more durable finishing than the blue type one.

just becareful.

of the black part with one section of clear, i've no idea how it looks like.. so couldn't comment much.. smile.gif

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