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ykit_88
post Jul 11 2016, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 11 2016, 05:56 PM)
I repeat - you did not read your policy document

Read the section on the rate of agent commission, and section on charges.

And, do u know that share markets did not performed well over the past 1 year and so?
UTs are investments, u expect your insurance company's fund managers to beat the market and deliver positive returns all the time?

I dare you to report to the insurance company, Securities Commission, Bank Negara or any higher authority, all will laugh u off.

Calling roystevenung
He's Prudential agent, NOT AIA agent. He will gladly tembak u into enlightenment.
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I'd rather a legit AIA to provide their own insights into this.

As for you, just another typical keyboard warrior.
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post Jul 11 2016, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jul 11 2016, 05:54 PM)
Hello. Did u even READ?

No. I don't expect to pay for free.
But deduct 16% of my fee to cover only RM10k in case of death and disable? It's overpriced!

Don't simply tembak reply if u don't even read.
And you're not helping. Stop flaming.
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i remember one saying, if buy insurance juz opt for sole protection purpose, don bother those saving plan, investment plan etc. if not mistaken, it was said by mr.chong the tax consultant who always appear on 988 and tv shows.

let say a PA per annum premium cost u RM1xx can cover rm120000 death + disable, then got medical expenses few thousands, dental benefits, ambulance, hospital incomes , etc

then juz add 1 medical card


ykit_88
post Jul 11 2016, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(coolstore @ Jul 11 2016, 06:14 PM)
i remember one saying, if buy insurance juz opt for sole protection purpose, don bother those saving plan, investment plan etc. if not mistaken, it was said by mr.chong the tax consultant who always appear on 988 and tv shows.

let say a PA per annum premium cost u RM1xx can cover rm120000 death + disable, then got medical expenses few thousands, dental benefits, ambulance, hospital incomes , etc

then juz add 1 medical card
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Learnt my lesson I guess. Thanks!
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post Jul 11 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jul 11 2016, 06:12 PM)
I'd rather a legit AIA to provide their own insights into this.

As for you, just another typical keyboard warrior.
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Keyboard warrior lol!

You dunno who i am. whistling.gif

Nvm, U slowly wait other "certified" professionals to come tembak u sleep.gif
lifebalance
post Jul 11 2016, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jul 11 2016, 05:45 PM)
I bought a A-Life Link + Medi Plus Investment Link Plan from my friend, from AIA.
Every month I'm paying RM500.
After servicing one and a half years I check my fund value and is terribly shock to see it's only RM6.3k despite I've been forked out RM8k so far.
And I find out from every RM500 only RM420 was invested for UT. Others are management fee, charges, GST bla bla bla. It's a bloody 16%!

I feel like bloody cheated. I bought it in hope for capital appreciation, I address this issue clearly before I sign the plan.
Now tell me how many UT out there can beat an appreciation of 16%?
Not to mention my coverage from Medi Plus is only fcuking RM10k in case of death or permanent disable.
Seriously? RM10k only?

Currently on premium holiday. Still thinking what to do next.

IMO AIA ILP policy sucks. At least for the one I'm holding.

So disappointed I must say.
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Hi

From the look of it, you've purchased into an investment-linked policy, the first year commission is charged at 20% for distribution fee, this is written upfront in the policy and also in the proposal form before you accepted it. If the agent didn't explain this part, then blame on the agent that you bought from.

As for the product, it is across all insurance company, this model is run by all the insurance company, be it you want to jump to other insurance company, same foul cry you're going to make. It's not going to be any greener on the other side.

And if you're buying the investment-link policy for "CAPITAL Appreciation" purpose, then you're on the wrong boat son. Insurance is for protection, if you're looking for 8% - 35% return, forget about it.

The problem here is not AIA, the problem is you buying the policy for wrong intention which was "capital appreciation".
ykit_88
post Jul 11 2016, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 11 2016, 06:39 PM)
Hi

From the look of it, you've purchased into an investment-linked policy, the first year commission is charged at 20% for distribution fee, this is written upfront in the policy and also in the proposal form before you accepted it. If the agent didn't explain this part, then blame on the agent that you bought from.

As for the product, it is across all insurance company, this model is run by all the insurance company, be it you want to jump to other insurance company, same foul cry you're going to make. It's not going to be any greener on the other side.

And if you're buying the investment-link policy for "CAPITAL Appreciation" purpose, then you're on the wrong boat son. Insurance is for protection, if you're looking for 8% - 35% return, forgetĀ  about it.

The problem here is not AIA, the problem is you buying the policy for wrong intention which was "capital appreciation".
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Hi.

You're right. I was not informed about this 20% part.
And it's over one year, the deduction fee is still the same.
And no I don't receive any hard copy policy. Website wise it's not written.
Just as I suspected the agent's fault.
I'll just cancel the policy then thanks.

This post has been edited by ykit_88: Jul 11 2016, 06:53 PM
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post Jul 11 2016, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jul 11 2016, 06:50 PM)
Hi.

You're right. I was not informed about this 20% part.
And no I don't receive any hard copy policy. Website wise it's not written.
Just as I suspected the agent's fault.
I'll just cancel the policy then thanks.
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How long was ur policy ago ?

Why haven't the agent deliver you the policy ?
ykit_88
post Jul 11 2016, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 11 2016, 06:52 PM)
How long was ur policy ago ?

Why haven't the agent deliver you the policy ?
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1.5 years.
And it's still deducting the same 16% fee, not just 1st year.
The agent's my school Friend. He hope to get me sign up proper insurance but I wish to observe what kind of service he deliver so support him a ILP first instead.
Looks like I made a right choice.
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post Jul 11 2016, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jul 11 2016, 06:58 PM)
1.5 years.
And it's still deducting the same 16% fee, not just 1st year.
The agent's my school Friend. He hope to get me sign up proper insurance but I wish to observe what kind of service he deliver so support him a ILP first instead.
Looks like I made a right choice.
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Well you have your answer now. All the best
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post Jul 11 2016, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 11 2016, 08:13 PM)
Well you have your answer now. All the best
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Thanks
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post Jul 12 2016, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Jul 11 2016, 06:39 PM)
Hi

From the look of it, you've purchased into an investment-linked policy, the first year commission is charged at 20% for distribution fee, this is written upfront in the policy and also in the proposal form before you accepted it. If the agent didn't explain this part, then blame on the agent that you bought from.

As for the product, it is across all insurance company, this model is run by all the insurance company, be it you want to jump to other insurance company, same foul cry you're going to make. It's not going to be any greener on the other side.

And if you're buying the investment-link policy for "CAPITAL Appreciation" purpose, then you're on the wrong boat son. Insurance is for protection, if you're looking for 8% - 35% return, forget  about it.

The problem here is not AIA, the problem is you buying the policy for wrong intention which was "capital appreciation".
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+1, Very very true, a lot of people have the perception of using Insurance as investment. I would say if you want to invest, you can always invest on better things. The sole purpose of Insurance is for protection..
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post Jul 12 2016, 09:50 AM

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The whole idea of Investment-Linked Policy is BUY TERM, INVEST THE REST, but managed by the insurance company.
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post Jul 12 2016, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2016, 09:50 AM)
The whole idea of Investment-Linked Policy is BUY TERM, INVEST THE REST, but managed by the insurance company.
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Managed by the Insurance to cover up for the cost of insurance and at the same time for investment. Of course, a person can always opt for term insurance but the COI will increase.

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post Jul 12 2016, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2016, 09:50 AM)
The whole idea of Investment-Linked Policy is BUY TERM, INVEST THE REST, but managed by the insurance company.
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Question - I've been telling people to pay attention to the investment linked funds as part of the selection criteria when selecting insurer. And people think I'm nuts

Last I checked, 3 years annualised returns for Msia equity inv linked funds for AIA is 8+% and Prudential is 2+%
In the long run this is going to make a lot of difference

Now tell me, am I really wrong to think the inv linked funds returns do matter when it comes to deciding which insurer to go with? Inv linked funds are not premium guaranteed, if the funds don't perform we may need to top up premium later on to cover the insurance charges
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 12 2016, 09:55 AM)
Question - I've been telling people to pay attention to the investment linked funds as part of the selection criteria when selecting insurer. And people think I'm nuts

Last I checked, 3 years annualised returns for Msia equity inv linked funds for AIA is 8+% and Prudential  is 2+%
In the long run this is going to make a lot of difference

Now tell me, am I really wrong to think the inv linked funds returns do matter when it comes to deciding which insurer to go with? Inv linked funds are not premium guaranteed, if the funds don't perform we may need to top up premium later on to cover the insurance charges
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There are a list of funds to choose from when you buy an IL, are you comparing an apple to apple between AIA and Prudential funds? For example, the agent who sold AIA might chose an aggressive funds and coincidentally for that particular year, the market was good whereas the agent from Prudential chose a low risk fund. Just an example.. well if both funds are identical and AIA performed better, I would guess their fund managers are better at investment biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 12 2016, 09:52 AM)
Managed by the Insurance to cover up for the cost of insurance and at the same time for investment. Of course, a person can always opt for term insurance but the COI will increase.
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Cost of insurance with ILP DOES increase, just that u do not see it.

E.g.
U pay RM200 every month
Your COI for Year 1 is RM50 a month
RM150 goes toward investments, RM50 used up for COI

Your COI for Year 2 is RM60 a month
RM140 goes toward investments, RM60 used up for COI

... ... ...

Your COI for Year 20 is RM150 a month
RM50 goes toward investments, RM150 used up for COI

And so on and on...

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 12 2016, 09:55 AM)
Question - I've been telling people to pay attention to the investment linked funds as part of the selection criteria when selecting insurer. And people think I'm nuts

Last I checked, 3 years annualised returns for Msia equity inv linked funds for AIA is 8+% and Prudential  is 2+%
In the long run this is going to make a lot of difference

Now tell me, am I really wrong to think the inv linked funds returns do matter when it comes to deciding which insurer to go with? Inv linked funds are not premium guaranteed, if the funds don't perform we may need to top up premium later on to cover the insurance charges
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True at this. When u buy ILP, u need to look for the insurance company with a solid fund management team.
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post Jul 12 2016, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2016, 10:04 AM)
Cost of insurance with ILP DOES increase, just that u do not see it.

E.g.
U pay RM200 every month
Your COI for Year 1 is RM50 a month
RM150 goes toward investments, RM50 used up for COI

Your COI for Year 2 is RM60 a month
RM140 goes toward investments, RM60 used up for COI

... ... ...

Your COI for Year 20 is RM150 a month
RM50 goes toward investments, RM150 used up for COI

And so on and on...
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Yes it does, but mostly people don't see it hence this is where the management of the Insurer comes in. You can just buy and let it run, providing it is quoted correctly for a long term sustainability.
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post Jul 12 2016, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 12 2016, 09:59 AM)
There are a list of funds to choose from when you buy an IL, are you comparing an apple to apple between AIA and Prudential funds? For example, the agent who sold AIA might chose an aggressive funds and coincidentally for that particular year, the market was good whereas the agent from Prudential chose a low risk fund. Just an example.. well if both funds are identical and AIA performed better, I would guess their fund managers are better at investment  biggrin.gif
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Oh, I did it myself. I'm experienced enough in funds to be able to do that
Some of my old postings
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry79452016
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post Jul 12 2016, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jul 12 2016, 10:10 AM)
Oh, I did it myself. I'm experienced enough in funds to be able to do that
Some of my old postings
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry79452016
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So it's an apple to apple comparison then I guess AIA is better off on their investment. Btw, which fund did you chose? Mind sharing? hehe

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