Hunt down this movie and watch it.
Then check on production date.


Also watch the prequel to Avatar.

finally saw it after so friggin long..
bugger.. i was expecting jack soolley to die throughout. yeah u know who u r, u still suck

ayways as some have said, its nothing original. i am with the same tone.
but i also appreciate the great amount of work and detail that went into creating pandora, it is i think the best visual effects use for this year..

some stuff:
- the humans so advanced, they cant even dig under ground and just steal the unobtanium from a few clicks away. sure those network trees mightve sensed some presence but they wouldnt act if ur just burrowing the ground and then go bliztkrieg stealing the mineral.
- humans mapped out the brain function to link with genetically engineered creature (avatar), but yet, why not just make it quite simply; use the avatar while you are sleeping. let your body rest but your mind is working the avatar like a controllable dream-like sense. this way, the human controller can still have enough rest and perform other stuff (although most would be at night time)
- humans can play God and create avatars but cannot place nano-cameras or nano-gps or nano-machines inside avatars to see their locations and see what the avatars are seeing and feeling.

- the cameras shouldnt have be almost static as in a way that its handheld, like is shown in the making of. i think some scenes would have been better if the camera angle and movements were dynamic. kinda hard to explain.

- i didnt like the boss guy, the guy that always plays like an idiot and a burden to others in other movies. he just didnt have the charisma or the intelligence of a leader. also i cant accept his trademark stutter-ing to be a quality of a leader. the colonel or general though was spot-on as always with this type of character, and played the bad guy role perfectly.

im sure i had more thoughts leaving the cinema but some are already highlighted by others so wont rehash here.

but i'll say this to the movies defense; it is simple enough that a kid can understand it. which in itself serves a purpose to teach the young kids of these 'issues' that are of course, unoriginal to use that have been around longer. i say that but yet the natives are nearly naked, also not good for kiddies.

but hell, this might be the one movie i may buy in blu-ray just to get that 3d affect... maybe...

atleast this movie is worth rewatching a few times before it gets boring i believe

like i've explained before, it's all about economy. u can dig a tunnel and gather minerals, but it's way too expensive. look at today's method. it's no where different than it was 200 years ago. so why should it be different 200 years in the future? it's all about the money. they want unobtanium because of what it's worth. why increase cost and decrease the profit?



sleeping is not just resting the body, but also resting the mind. when we sleep, certain functions in the brain go to hibernation, while others go to sustain mode. there's a very limited function in this state. control requires brain function, even if it's a dream. wiki "sleep" and u'll understand what i'm saying.



mmmm... why?



so explain better.



he's the boss, but not a leader. he's there because of his the representative of this interplanetary corporation. meaning he's assigned to the planet by some bigger bosses as a manager/administrator, not as a leader. meaning if u're a 15 year old kid and happens to be the son of the big boss, u might see urself in his position as well. his character DOESNT need charisma or intelligence of a leader.

I went to see Avatar with very high expectation!!
This is one movie I know I'll walk out with a big smile on my face.

But.....I just wasted 3 hours and a hundred bucks (yeah..ticket+food+parking+etc) watching it in JB!!!
Now I feel Pissed off, CHEATED and hurting inside by it!!

No...it was not about the movie..it passed my snore test

I mean the subtitle covered almost half of the screen...and the images looks like DVDish quality!!..more like cam quality!!
Yeah..JB dun have Digital Projection cinema and it was sadly needed for the movie to be believable...wow..wat a waste..
It effected the view so much.


But one thing is for sure...McG picked the wrong person for the John Connor role in T4

This post has been edited by azbro: Dec 31 2009, 08:19 PM

the digging tunnel. can just give a hypothetical situation that technology advances which would make it cheaper. or the way they went about it, using avatars which costed a lot of money already as mentioned. and then using all those weaponry with bullets etc cant be cheap too. they could just use a massive sleeping gas and put everything to sleep surrounding the site and detaining them. in any case they already spent a lot. they bulldozed the place, have to clean up, also have to dig the earth again to get to the unobtanium minerals. if they dig beforehand its a bit cloak and dagger and less hassle. it may actually be cheaper in long run. anyways its a suggestion to many options such as the sleeping gas method. dont have to kill them. if they can map the brain, put them to sleep, induced coma, drill the place, suck the resources dry, plant back the original plants if can, then reinstate the indigenous navi back with no memory of what happened. sudden time lapse for them.

okay the part about sleep i will admit i dont know fuly. i doubt current knowledge involving the issue is the end all be all answer. perhaps it might be possible who knows just like what i mean is controlling it although from a dream like stance... u got ur brain resting and hibernating, but the part thats usually for sleep is instead used for controlling the avatar. since they can map the brain, maybe they can utilize this part of brain to read signals that can retranslate to the machine to an action in the avatar.. even though that part of the brain dont control motor functions. just sayin yo, this is the kind of stuff of movies, creating props that moves the story forward

i digress that the boss doesnt have to be intelligent. i think ur just acting all high and mighty again. seriously, if hes a dumb prick hes gonna make a lot of awful decisions which can costs more in the long run. he is in charge after all and calls the shots in some regards, so all those tihngs combined costs money. the boss also has to manage the staffs morale and oversee the whole operations runs smooth. which also means the different departments work together. he's already against the research team and their work so perhaps that is already testament to his weak leadership skills. why use avatar that costs tons of money in the first place?

as for the dynamic angles, hmm.... its more in a sense of fast moving cameras... such as the scene where jacks avatar and neytiri riding the dragons going down the cliff, the angle was constant focusing from lower them. didnt get much sense or thrill of speed. perhaps if the camera was on top and behind them can get a sense of the speed theyre going through, looking at the earth getting closer etc, then panning to the front when they pulled back up.
or some scenes perhaps as though the camera was shaken like when a fighter jet flies by. its a personal preference really. cameron went that style which to me is rather boring although it does provide magnificent views of pandora in some instances. the part at the start when jake was chased by that big dog/panther black animal there was some sense of urgency and thrill. but the part of the big red dragon it didnt feel like much. anyways would have preferred more

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Added on January 1, 2010, 5:48 amoh yeah, the part about placing mini cameras and gps on the avatars i think you should be able to guess right?

instead of waiting for jake to come back and report (as well as each avatar user) as what happens in the movie, which is time consuming.
a camera would also come in handy for when the host leaves the avatar and the avatar is defenseless.
this way they could have tracked jake the moment he went missing and could have retrieved their very expensive investment faster and safer.
its just common sense.

Homer: Doh'

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Added on January 1, 2010, 5:49 amas for the army dude, he could use the video feed for early advantage, get a map of the tree early on etc. the avatar can be a useful spy as a side effect.

This post has been edited by sshahar9: Jan 1 2010, 05:49 AM

i thought not. McG just focusing too much on Sam Worthington. which leads Bale to be the victim.
my opinion says that Bale is the true John Connor but, they just don't show him enuff.

agreed much, i hope this trilogy will go on til Avatar 3 only and no more sequel (especially diff director whatsoever like Terminator)

u've been in the construction business? coz i have. it's extremely cheaper to bulldoze an entire landscape than to nitpick on what's on it. which is the same reason why sometimes we demolish a building rather than repair it. the SMART tunnel is one of the most expensive projects ever taken in malaysia. this should paint a simpler picture for u.

the avatar programme was not directly under the company. early on it was suggested that the avatar programme was an academic research, meaning it would have to be specifically funded. they attach themselves to the company because the company wants to use them to convince their investors that they're the "good guys" (environmentally friendly, peaceful bla bla bla). this have all been discussed in the first quarter of the movie.



what? i didnt say he doesnt have to be intelligent. read carefully what i wrote.

i said his character doesnt need to have the intelligence of a leader. he only needs the intelligence of a manager/administrator. he IS the boss, he is not answerable to anyone on that planet. he can be a prick if he wants to, simply because he is paying everyone else, not because he is leading them.



jake's presence was primarily for the research, not military. it just so happened that his twin brother, a researcher, died and he had to replace him. early on, the colonel was excited that a marine finally became an avatar. sully even volunteered to report to him especially on the intelligence part.

yes, they can install cameras and everything. but first hand info is extremely vital in survival. u cant survive in the wild just by watching discovery channel, right?

Doh' indeed.

anyway what does the rock which sells for 20 million do?

since its strong popularity I think I gonna wait for another 1-2weeks to be quieter b4 heading to cinema. I dont feel like sitting a fullhouse Cinema

how much do you calculate placing the army there in waiting (nearly) for 3 months (the time jake was given to infiltrate and convinve them). the war in iraq has showned the us spent a lot of money to station the troops there.
even if the troops werent all attacking, being stationed there, paying their wages, providing accomodation, food, operational costs, im sure wouldve costed a lot of money.
the digging tunnel is just an example of other methods that could have been used instead. i accepted the way they went with the movie as they wanted to tell a particular story and get a message across. it was just like the red matter star trek thingy. so do you have any thoughts on my sleeping gas method? you gotta admit thats pretty smart and would have saved a whole lot of money if executed perfectly.

as for the Boss, yeah he can be a prick if he's paying them, if its out of his own pockets. i dont get the impression he owns the whole company, just that he runs that operations. which is why its confounding. not enough managerial skills and not smart enough to come up with options etc. which is tne end wouldve costed more money in the long run. thats not only counter-productive id say if its all about the bottomline. huge running costs wouldve gotten him fired in the long run, even for the whole mess thats happened. which is why back in the first place i dont think he'a a good Boss. almost a non-performer, not to mention not a lot of managerial skills.


the camera part you didnt really have a proper retort. yes of course you cant survive in jungle just by watching discovery channel. thats not the point. the advantages are a lot. not only can you tell and gauge the avatar surrounding but as mentioned you can extract the avatar much much faster when any goes missing. a cheap camera versus wasting a few million quids investment? id say its a no brainer.

i understood quite well cameron wanted to tell a particular story. diplomacy versus military might or imperialism oppression. im just saying there are other ways to get the job done if they thought it through.
drilling one option. sleeping gas one option. lets see lets try to come up with other options.. hmm..
-maybe trick the natives. give them gifts or food and drug them. incapacitate them. detain them. take over. wipe their memory.
- err.. did they even use diplomacy by just asking them if its okay if they drill below the natives land? im sure itll still be no but still, gotta exhaust all options.
hmmm thats about what i can think of in such short notice, but i do think the sleeping gas method is the most humane, least expensive, fastest method. can just trick the natives by rounding them all up for some event of cultural exchange or whatever and just put everyone to sleep. detain them. then the army occupy the land and make a base and fortify the area just in case if other tribes comes by.

im just saying it can be done, but i understood they went that way to get the point across as it needs to make a statement in a bold way. in any case, your arrogance is astonishing. you just brandish off everyones and anyones ideas aside without trying to come up with other solutions rather than just justifying whats done to no end. its like some people who like listening to their own voices in tv or radio, id say you are nearly the same. you like to read your own writing and maybe get slightly proud? oh yeah, im psycho-analyzing you now buddy. heheh

come on, you gotta admit the sleeping gas method is a viable option and a camera is necessary or even a gps if it can be done. you're just probly upset coz you didnt think of it earlier when you accepted beforehand theres just no other way. or perhaps youre just still bitter over the star trek red matter thing. sheesh, get over it

Doh' haha...

p.s. would you drive your ferrari, then leave it in some jungle or rural area where theres a high chance for it to get damaged or stolen while you take a cab back home?

sleeping gas is the most humane option? You have got to be kidding me! If we go by your logic, then whenever there's a development like for example building a dam in the forest. Instead of relocating the animals and villagers that are affected by the dam water catchment area, we should gas them and dump them somewhere else?

yeah...go to Digital Projector type (2D whatever) cinema....dun be like me, since JB got only normal Cinema...spoil everything!
The movie will exceed the normal Cinemas projector capability.

For me, the normal Cinema I went to looks like a CAM version!...to make it worst.the subtitles covered half the screen

This movie needs to be experience with its special effect displayed to the maximum to enjoy it, cause there is nothing else to it!!
Its really funny ppl. posting abt holes and what humans should do or didn't do in the alien world...well, everyone got this own opinion.

For me, this movies was made to entertain with all its CGI glory in Visual and Audio...yeah..nowadays the movie like that one...I've learned to accept that...
If want great acting, story line etc..stay away from such movies....

We shall see in T5..I hope I was wrong as Bale is a capable actor (but a bit like robot sometimes..hehe)
I watch most of his movies and got nothing against him.

This post has been edited by azbro: Jan 1 2010, 05:08 PM

copy pasta from a wiki.

no I mean the fully THX top Cinemas like Cineleisure Damansara or GSC 1U . I am waiting for these top cinema to be a little bit empty then I only go watch and fully enjoy Avatar

sleeping gas idea missed the whole point.

what was the reason for the avatar programme? what benefit does it do for the corporation?

it's all about capitalism. they sent the avatars first as a publicity stunt for the investors. not for themselves, not for the natives. sorry, i dont think u get the whole act 1 in the movie. they HAVE DONE diplomatic discussions. they HAVE DONE studies. they HAVE DONE assimilative studies. everything have been done. the natives have now been portrayed as extremely hostile, and the investors are becoming restless. they want unobtanium, and since the natives arent going the easy way, they're pushing for the hard way.

they could gas them all. but we're still talking about additional costs. time is running out. they're doing it the fastest way, and the investors agree.

come on, u should listen to ALL THE DIALOGUES. it's all there. sheeesh. pay attention next time.

Typical story....but still i would go for the eye candies.

greatest movie i've ever watched in 2009, hands down.

If ever there is a movie to watch, this is it!
This THE IMAX 3D movie!
Imax 3D is made for this movie!

I really wished I can say that, but my place it was let down by the Cinema that didn't have the stuff to produce those awesome stuff clearly and Subtitles that occupy half of the screen...well..have to wait for the bluray version then

what an overrated movie.a complete rip-off of the last samurai and also the matrix

This post has been edited by ongster: Jan 2 2010, 10:31 PM