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post Dec 17 2009, 09:05 AM

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this movie has failed me, unfortunately.

yes, it does blow ur imagination away. but VISUAL imagination. that's the keyword right there.

it didnt offer anything much in terms of anything else. it's like starman, but reversed. story wise feel very dated.

6/10
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post Dec 17 2009, 10:41 AM

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i'm just gonna say YES to most questions asked in the last few posts, without revealing anything specific.

visually, it's brilliant. this is a 3D film rendered photorealistically for the ENTIRE scene. normally in 3D films, we have prerendered background (matte paintings) or at least backgrounds that are less animated to keep resources low. in this film, everything is alive and behaves appropriately.

look at the background. u'll notice every tree is moving. each leaves has its own life. water behaves exactly like it should, and sometimes it's difficult to tell if the water is real or 3D! characters are very detailed and realistic. u'll quickly believe that it's real within the first minute of meeting them.

but when u strip them down...

well, lets just say, it was written back when the story might just be amazing. today, the story have appeared in almost every other film. too bad it took cameron too long to produce this one. at least go pick up some other stories...
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post Dec 17 2009, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(kobe24bryant @ Dec 17 2009, 10:45 AM)
which aspect of the story has appeared in 'almost every other film'?
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have u seen it? coz i dont wanna spoil it for ya.

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usually i dont make a big a deal about originality because it's hard to be original anymore nowadays. but the film is textbook. there's no innovation in structure and pacing. i bet if u dissect the script, u could see the three acts (setup-confrontation-resolution) divided equally and rigid.

so i just sit back and enjoy the ride. no thinking needed.




but i have to repeat: michelle rodriguez is an absolute waste.
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post Dec 18 2009, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(ameeyn @ Dec 17 2009, 03:13 PM)
Guys,

a  lot of mixed reviews here is making me a little bit uneasy..

based on the review below the movie should change the way we look at cinema..I want to feel the same way after watching it..I hope these 3 guy's verdict is true and the film blows my socks off this saturday


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keyword there is LOOK.
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post Dec 18 2009, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(thy1986 @ Dec 18 2009, 02:15 AM)
hei guys, i watch it last nite...ermmm, not a very stunning movie so i give 7/10...(but i still recommend ppl go watch  tongue.gif  )

i notice tht guy when in human form, he like very serious but in Navi form he like very playful... like 2 different personalities like tht.... i noe some of u might argue that, he might be too happy because he can walk again in Navi form but the personalities still a big gap there...

and the process become hunter... i don wan to be a spoiler but when u watch it then u noe...

yup, some of the forum members point out the human technology and weapon so i wont talk again on that...

anyway i think this movie got a huge potential la.... so many things to explore in the Pandora world and human side too (i don really believe tht guy brother die like tht... must have some conspiracy onli good de meh... like someone murder him bcoz wat wat wat) .... if they come out a novel or a series then it will be a hit.... (i can't have enough of Pandora world... wakakakaka)
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i believe this one is pretty clear cut. he was inherently depressed. depressed due to his condition, his dead twin brother and the uncertainty of whether his service will improve his condition or not.

then he got his legs back. he went into this new world without boundaries. he was a marine. he's now back in action, the excitement and adrenaline in combat. it's his training. he now feels belong to the new world.

it's the same personality, but different mood.
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post Dec 19 2009, 04:13 AM

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QUOTE(RoxyGal @ Dec 18 2009, 07:42 PM)
this movie got starcraft..warcraft..dota..matrix and many character inside
the big tree is like dota tree...

those plane and soldier like starcraft terran..
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funny u should say that...

coz starcraft designs were inspired by the colonial marines from aliens, james cameron's earlier film...
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post Dec 20 2009, 05:42 AM

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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ Dec 19 2009, 02:59 PM)
i think all 3D movies got no subtitle >..<

cause malaysian movie board how to put subtitle into a 3D movie? i dun think they got that kind of technology capability~

But first time i siok watch movie without those stupid subtitle which are like sometimes incorrect, and block the view.

this time the screen so clean

And is the 3D shows framerate smoother? compare to normal cinema, the screen so clean and frames so smooth.

normally got alot of black dotes and lines=.="
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actually, it's actually easier to add subtitles on digital movies coz... well... it's digital. u can add additional layer on screen just like we do with VLAN. problem is, we dont have access to do it. at least to my knowledge. 3D movies are basically two movies rendered at the same time, one for each eye. imagine they shot a movie using 2 cameras side by side. the technology is much simpler than most think wink.gif.

and since 3D are fully digital, there are no scratches. digital film runs at higher frame rate. normal film only runs at 24fps, which is still the industry standard unfortunately.
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post Dec 28 2009, 08:08 PM

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mapping human brain waves and utilizing it in avatars doesnt mean we can make advanced AI. it's like in the 1800s, when people say when we've mapped the entire world, we could utilize its resources 100%. now that we have, we realize that we still couldnt utilize its resources. there are still millions of places to hide. heck, alqaeda still around in afghanistan!

and u missed one, most important point in advancing technologies:

profit and capitalism.

we now have the most advanced portable technology known to man available: the smartphones (iphone, blackberry etc). do u own one? do everybody in this world own one? see where i'm going with this? economy doesnt change. the future world is still governed by economy. it's the whole motivation of humans on pandora.

and by the way, the avatars werent spies. if they were, they are the lousies spies around. why? because they have 5 fingers while navis have 4.

they are there to make contact.
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post Dec 29 2009, 04:44 AM

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QUOTE(tsubasa89 @ Dec 28 2009, 06:41 PM)
ahaa... jake avatar have 5 fingers most probly due to his human DNa being more dominant in that part.
but grace's have 4 smile.gif
wonder how many toes do na'vi have tho.
can't wait for the artbook smile.gif
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actually, grace have 5 fingers too.

this was deliberate, as describe by james cameron himself. all avatars have 5 fingers, while all original na'vis have 4.
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post Dec 30 2009, 10:00 PM

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ignore malayneum. he's just trolling this thread.
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post Dec 31 2009, 07:12 PM

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some stuff:
- the humans so advanced, they cant even dig under ground and just steal the unobtanium from a few clicks away. sure those network trees mightve sensed some presence but they wouldnt act if ur just burrowing the ground and then go bliztkrieg stealing the mineral.


like i've explained before, it's all about economy. u can dig a tunnel and gather minerals, but it's way too expensive. look at today's method. it's no where different than it was 200 years ago. so why should it be different 200 years in the future? it's all about the money. they want unobtanium because of what it's worth. why increase cost and decrease the profit?

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- humans mapped out the brain function to link with genetically engineered creature (avatar), but yet, why not just make it quite simply; use the avatar while you are sleeping. let your body rest but your mind is working the avatar like a controllable dream-like sense. this way, the human controller can still have enough rest and perform other stuff (although most would be at night time)


sleeping is not just resting the body, but also resting the mind. when we sleep, certain functions in the brain go to hibernation, while others go to sustain mode. there's a very limited function in this state. control requires brain function, even if it's a dream. wiki "sleep" and u'll understand what i'm saying.

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- humans can play God and create avatars but cannot place nano-cameras or nano-gps or nano-machines inside avatars to see their locations and see what the avatars are seeing and feeling.


mmmm... why?

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- the cameras shouldnt have be almost static as in a way that its handheld, like is shown in the making of. i think some scenes would have been better if the camera angle and movements were dynamic. kinda hard to explain.


so explain better.

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- i didnt like the boss guy, the guy that always plays like an idiot and a burden to others in other movies. he just didnt have the charisma or the intelligence of a leader. also i cant accept his trademark stutter-ing to be a quality of a leader. the colonel or general though was spot-on as always with this type of character, and played the bad guy role perfectly.


he's the boss, but not a leader. he's there because of his the representative of this interplanetary corporation. meaning he's assigned to the planet by some bigger bosses as a manager/administrator, not as a leader. meaning if u're a 15 year old kid and happens to be the son of the big boss, u might see urself in his position as well. his character DOESNT need charisma or intelligence of a leader.

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post Jan 1 2010, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Dec 31 2009, 09:44 PM)
the digging tunnel. can just give a hypothetical situation that technology advances which would make it cheaper. or the way they went about it, using avatars which costed a lot of money already as mentioned. and then using all those weaponry with bullets etc cant be cheap too. they could just use a massive sleeping gas and put everything to sleep surrounding the site and detaining them. in any case they already spent a lot. they bulldozed the place, have to clean up, also have to dig the earth again to get to the unobtanium minerals. if they dig beforehand its a bit cloak and dagger and less hassle. it may actually be cheaper in long run. anyways its a suggestion to many options such as the sleeping gas method. dont have to kill them. if they can map the brain, put them to sleep, induced coma, drill the place, suck the resources dry, plant back the original plants if can, then reinstate the indigenous navi back with no memory of what happened. sudden time lapse for them.


u've been in the construction business? coz i have. it's extremely cheaper to bulldoze an entire landscape than to nitpick on what's on it. which is the same reason why sometimes we demolish a building rather than repair it. the SMART tunnel is one of the most expensive projects ever taken in malaysia. this should paint a simpler picture for u.

the avatar programme was not directly under the company. early on it was suggested that the avatar programme was an academic research, meaning it would have to be specifically funded. they attach themselves to the company because the company wants to use them to convince their investors that they're the "good guys" (environmentally friendly, peaceful bla bla bla). this have all been discussed in the first quarter of the movie.

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i digress that the boss doesnt have to be intelligent. i think ur just acting all high and mighty again. seriously, if hes a dumb prick hes gonna make a lot of awful decisions which can costs more in the long run. he is in charge after all and calls the shots in some regards, so all those tihngs combined costs money. the boss also has to manage the staffs morale and oversee the whole operations runs smooth. which also means the different departments work together. he's already against the research team and their work so perhaps that is already testament to his weak leadership skills. why use avatar that costs tons of money in the first place?


what? i didnt say he doesnt have to be intelligent. read carefully what i wrote.

i said his character doesnt need to have the intelligence of a leader. he only needs the intelligence of a manager/administrator. he IS the boss, he is not answerable to anyone on that planet. he can be a prick if he wants to, simply because he is paying everyone else, not because he is leading them.

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Added on January 1, 2010, 5:48 amoh yeah, the part about placing mini cameras and gps on the avatars i think you should be able to guess right?

instead of waiting for jake to come back and report (as well as each avatar user) as what happens in the movie, which is time consuming.
a camera would also come in handy for when the host leaves the avatar and the avatar is defenseless.
this way they could have tracked jake the moment he went missing and could have retrieved their very expensive investment faster and safer.
its just common sense.

Homer: Doh'


Added on January 1, 2010, 5:49 amas for the army dude, he could use the video feed for early advantage, get a map of the tree early on etc. the avatar can be a useful spy as a side effect.


jake's presence was primarily for the research, not military. it just so happened that his twin brother, a researcher, died and he had to replace him. early on, the colonel was excited that a marine finally became an avatar. sully even volunteered to report to him especially on the intelligence part.

yes, they can install cameras and everything. but first hand info is extremely vital in survival. u cant survive in the wild just by watching discovery channel, right?

Doh' indeed. wink.gif

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post Jan 1 2010, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Jan 1 2010, 07:05 AM)
how much do you calculate placing the army there in waiting (nearly) for 3 months (the time jake was given to infiltrate and convinve them). the war in iraq has showned the us spent a lot of money to station the troops there.
even if the troops werent all attacking, being stationed there, paying their wages, providing accomodation, food, operational costs, im sure wouldve costed a lot of money.
the digging tunnel is just an example of other methods that could have been used instead. i accepted the way they went with the movie as they wanted to tell a particular story and get a message across. it was just like the red matter star trek thingy. so do you have any thoughts on my sleeping gas method? you gotta admit thats pretty smart and would have saved a whole lot of money if executed perfectly.

as for the Boss, yeah he can be a prick if he's paying them, if its out of his own pockets. i dont get the impression he owns the whole company, just that he runs that operations. which is why its confounding. not enough managerial skills and not smart enough to come up with options etc. which is tne end wouldve costed more money in the long run. thats not only counter-productive id say if its all about the bottomline. huge running costs wouldve gotten him fired in the long run, even for the whole mess thats happened. which is why back in the first place i dont think he'a a good Boss. almost a non-performer, not to mention not a lot of managerial skills.
the camera part you didnt really have a proper retort. yes of course you cant survive in jungle just by watching discovery channel. thats not the point. the advantages are a lot. not only can you tell and gauge the avatar surrounding but as mentioned you can extract the avatar much much faster when any goes missing. a cheap camera versus wasting a few million quids investment? id say its a no brainer.

i understood quite well cameron wanted to tell a particular story. diplomacy versus military might or imperialism oppression. im just saying there are other ways to get the job done if they thought it through.
drilling one option. sleeping gas one option. lets see lets try to come up with other options.. hmm..
-maybe trick the natives. give them gifts or food and drug them. incapacitate them. detain them. take over. wipe their memory.
- err.. did they even use diplomacy by just asking them if its okay if they drill below the natives land? im sure itll still be no but still, gotta exhaust all options.
hmmm thats about what i can think of in such short notice, but i do think the sleeping gas method is the most humane, least expensive, fastest method. can just trick the natives by rounding them all up for some event of cultural exchange or whatever and just put everyone to sleep. detain them. then the army occupy the land and make a base and fortify the area just in case if other tribes comes by.

im just saying it can be done, but i understood they went that way to get the point across as it needs to make a statement in a bold way. in any case, your arrogance is astonishing. you just brandish off everyones and anyones ideas aside without trying to come up with other solutions rather than just justifying whats done to no end. its like some people who like listening to their own voices in tv or radio, id say you are nearly the same. you like to read your own writing and maybe get slightly proud? oh yeah, im psycho-analyzing you now buddy. heheh

come on, you gotta admit the sleeping gas method is a viable option and a camera is necessary or even a gps if it can be done. you're just probly upset coz you didnt think of it earlier when you accepted beforehand theres just no other way. or perhaps youre just still bitter over the star trek red matter thing. sheesh, get over it

Doh' haha...

p.s. would you drive your ferrari, then leave it in some jungle or rural area where theres a high chance for it to get damaged or stolen while you take a cab back home?
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sleeping gas idea missed the whole point.

what was the reason for the avatar programme? what benefit does it do for the corporation?

it's all about capitalism. they sent the avatars first as a publicity stunt for the investors. not for themselves, not for the natives. sorry, i dont think u get the whole act 1 in the movie. they HAVE DONE diplomatic discussions. they HAVE DONE studies. they HAVE DONE assimilative studies. everything have been done. the natives have now been portrayed as extremely hostile, and the investors are becoming restless. they want unobtanium, and since the natives arent going the easy way, they're pushing for the hard way.

they could gas them all. but we're still talking about additional costs. time is running out. they're doing it the fastest way, and the investors agree.

come on, u should listen to ALL THE DIALOGUES. it's all there. sheeesh. pay attention next time.
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QUOTE(LeoLilieno @ Jan 7 2010, 10:14 AM)
So, big hall or smaller hall does not make a lot of difference right?
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the size of the screen matters more than the size of the hall.

big hall small screen is no use also...
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post Jan 9 2010, 02:20 AM

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bad frame rates? i think u're suffering from the lack of technology there, coz ones that i saw had superb frame rate. u can almost freeze a clear frame in ur mind, so to speak biggrin.gif.
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QUOTE(lycaphim @ Jan 10 2010, 11:05 AM)
Assuming the opinions here are worth anything.  tongue.gif
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wouldnt it great when the judge says that to u? biggrin.gif

"The court recognizes that the defendant have published your opinions without permission. But the court fails to recognize that your opinions are worth anything."

and later law students can read them up in their precedence study. ouch.

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