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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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post Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM)
1. It uses the award winning VQ engine so power should be ample. Its lethagic performance could be due to the additional weight on the car but bear in mind these cars are family sedans, speed or cornering performance isn't essentially a major concern here; comfort, luxury and quietness should usually be the main priority.


rclxub.gif How do you know that the Teana is as quite as the Accord, the Camry or the Mazda6? Early assessments say that the XCVT gearbox on the Teana is noisy.

QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM)
2. Wood grain trim is a matter of preference, as is with the meter cluster design. Anything to do with styling, I think we can discount it out because it's due to personal preference.


If wood grain is done tastefully as in REAL wood grain and not the cheapo plastic wannabee wood grain, then it's ok. If not, no thank you. biggrin.gif And yes, beige colour interior is also a negative for me. This is why for me, this is why the Camry is a major turn off. But on the Teana, I can see that they try to do the wood grain as close as possible to the real thing. Commendable effort but styling still too uncle for me.

QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM)
3. The boot capacity is a whopping 506L!


Errr, where did you get this info? Yeah, the one I checked out is the Nissan Maxima (as it's called in Australia) has a rated boot space of a whopping 476L. whistling.gif Still slightly bigger than Accord size though.

QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM)
4. Strangely, the Singapore version seems to have quite a few features cut from the 2.5L version. As you have stated, this includes the 5.1 Bose Speaker System and the side airbags. However, the same China version offers everything that's found in the Mazda 6 2.5L (including the Bose speaker system) and more!


Everything that's found on the Mazda6? Sure? What about paddle shifters?

And more? Like what? Better drivability and road handling?

If Singapore version can be slightly stripped down, one wonders how the Malaysian version would be. Strange that China supposedly gets more specs. Perhaps the reason for this is because the Teanas sold in China are made in China themselves for their own domestic market?

QUOTE(zweimmk @ Aug 29 2008, 03:07 PM)
IMO, I think both the Mazda 6 and the new Teana are neck to neck in terms of comfort and amendities. Of course, this also depends on the country they are offered in.
But Mazda 6 vs Nissan Teana Japanese CBU, on paper - the Nissan Teana holds quite an edge over its rival.


Is the Teana for Singapore made in Japan? Or is it coming in from Thailand? Or Karachi, or Taiwan or China? I'm only afraid what they'll do for Malaysian version. Forget about CKD because I don't think they can churn out the same volume as the Accord or even the Camry for that matter. If it's CBU Thailand or CKD Serendah (if ever that was possible), then it will not hold an edge over the CBU Japan Mazda6.

That said, one must just not see the car in terms of specs. It needs to drive nice and part of having a nice driving characteristic is having a spirited engine. No fun if it's a lazy car unless you have a chaufer to drive you. For that fact alone, the Mazda6 does not just win in the looks department. It drives and handles well too and that is the reason why it's a winner.
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post Aug 30 2008, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
:stars: How do you know that the Teana is as quiet as the Accord, the Camry or the Mazda6? Early assessments say that the XCVT gearbox on the Teana is noisy.
If the Sylphy is any indication for the path Nissan intends to take, then we can definitely assume it will be quiet or as quiet as the others. Of course, once the reviews starts pouring in. We'll get more details.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
Errr, where did you get this info? Yeah, the one I checked out is the Nissan Maxima (as it's called in Australia) has a rated boot space of a whopping 476L.  :w Still slightly bigger than Accord size though.
You have to read their Japanese or Chinese website for the info, it's stated there to be 506L, but even if we go with the rated space of 476L, how much smaller is it compared to the Mazda 6? by 4L? Not much of a difference is there?

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
Everything that's found on the Mazda6? Sure? What about paddle shifters? And more? Like what? Better drivability and road handling?
Except for paddle shifters, 18 inch wheels and Bi-xenon headlights (HID Low-beam for Teana only). But other features that you can't find on the Mazda 6 includes: Ottoman power massage chairs with leg rest, 3 layered + ventilated leather seats, illuminated readout on rear view mirror itself, blind spot indicators, plasmacluster air-conditioning etc.

Road handling is superior on the Mazda 6 and the Mazda 6 is likely to be a better driver's car. Also, reviews from Autocar Asean have indicated a soft type of suspension found in the Teana like the Camry. No doubt they have set priority towards comfort rather than car handling or drivability. IMO, this is the main priority of buyers for this particular segment of cars.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
If Singapore version can be slightly stripped down, one wonders how the Malaysian version would be. Strange that China supposedly gets more specs. Perhaps the reason for this is because the Teanas sold in China are made in China themselves for their own domestic market?
Is the Teana for Singapore made in Japan? Or is it coming in from Thailand? Or Karachi, or Taiwan or China? I'm only afraid what they'll do for Malaysian version. Forget about CKD because I don't think they can churn out the same volume as the Accord or even the Camry for that matter. If it's CBU Thailand or CKD Serendah (if ever that was possible), then it will not hold an edge over the CBU Japan Mazda6.
I know the Teana in Singapore is a CBU unit from Japan from reports around the web, I find it odd that Tan Chong decided to strip away some of the nicer features found in the car. The China version is assembled in China but they have the same specs as the Japanese CBU unit. AFAIK, the Teanas sold in this SEA region come from Japan. As for Malaysia getting the Teana? That depends on ETCM and so far their decision to continue with the Sentra and Cefiro not only does not make sense, it's just puzzling! IMO, Malaysia will probably get left out again.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 30 2008, 04:28 AM)
That said, one must just not see the car in terms of specs. It needs to drive nice and part of having a nice driving characteristic is having a spirited engine. No fun if it's a lazy car unless you have a chaufer to drive you. For that fact alone, the Mazda6 does not just win in the looks department. It drives and handles well too and that is the reason why it's a winner.
Your viewpoint is noted then the same can be applied for the Accord or Camry. Who determines that the car has a nice driving characteristics and spirited engine? The driver him/herself. So it is more fair to compare specs and features of these cars then put in final judgement when you test drive the cars yourself. After all, I'm sure there are plenty of buyers out there that test drove all these cars and common sense would dictate the Mazda 6 as the best value buy isn't it? Aside from the Camry, the truth is you still find more Accords out there than Mazda 6. You may argue that its herd mentality and I will agree to a cerain extend, but it's not fair to say it will apply to everyone. It could also be marketing, but again - when someone shops for a 150k plus car, I'm sure they will look at the best possible option available as well. Brand confidence perhaps? Maybe - but look at Suzuki - they've managed to do well for themselves despite being relatively quiet for the later part of the the 90s and early 2000s. So I'm sure, even if the specs for the Accord or quality is not on par, there must be something about the car that they like over the Mazda 6.

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post Sep 7 2008, 04:32 AM

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this is a modded version. btw do u have a look on Mazda 6 before?
maybe u will change ur mind after that.
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post Sep 7 2008, 10:30 PM

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if you think mugen accord is nice, wait till you see this:

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QUOTE(stevenek3 @ Sep 7 2008, 10:30 PM)
if you think mugen accord is nice, wait till you see this:

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WoW !, this ^ is just drop dead gorgeous !

I would choose this anytime over Honda's.
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i like mazda 6 more than accord...more sporty and cool...

my next car will be a mazda..!
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ZoOm ZoOm ! Cheesy isnt it ?
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QUOTE(Kentthye @ Sep 7 2008, 12:30 AM)
Love 2008 Accord aggresive looking ... icon_rolleyes.gif Attached Image Attached Image
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For me...This is lala or ah beng design...


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QUOTE(stevenek3 @ Sep 7 2008, 10:30 PM)
if you think mugen accord is nice, wait till you see this:

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ANd this is just...Elegant and Beautiful...

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damm nice dude..i mean the sport rim
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yup.. i agree with u all ..
Mazda 6 look really good and out standing..
hardly seen a Mazda 6 on the road...
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QUOTE(Kentthye @ Sep 7 2008, 12:30 AM)
Love 2008 Accord aggresive looking ... icon_rolleyes.gif Attached Image Attached Image
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Typical Ah Beng.....
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post Sep 9 2008, 01:33 PM

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but why so few madza6 on the road compared to honda? Madza=Low resale value? or Maintainence expensive?
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post Sep 9 2008, 04:33 PM

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Ahh jeez that black M6, u make think that my white M6 is not that good. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 9 2008, 04:33 PM)
Ahh jeez that black M6, u make think that my white M6 is not that good.  sweat.gif
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yo bro, show us some pic of ur white M6 ler... icon_rolleyes.gif
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http://www.netcarshow.com/mazda/2008-6_sedan/

here white ver.
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resale value and parts/maintanence are hard to get.
expensive should b cause it's hard to find.
but it won't be that extremely expensive i reckon


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QUOTE(nelson_hew @ Sep 9 2008, 01:33 PM)
but why so few madza6 on the road compared to honda? Madza=Low resale value? or Maintainence expensive?
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There are several possibilities:

1. Not marketed aggressively enough in Malaysia

It's also noteworthy that I've not seen a single new Mazda 6 when I was down Singapore last week. Even the new Accord is a rarity, just saw two new Accords over the entire 4 day stretch.

2. Market perception of high maintenance and poor resale value.

IMO, maintenance shouldn't be that expensive. Resale value based on previous Mazda 6 track record is not fantastic so another minus point to this car.

3. Mazda 6 styling not as appealing to the general populace as the new Accord.

While we think the Mazda 6 is a better looking car, the general population of Malaysia thinks otherwise. Looks are subjective anyways

4. Brand power

The Honda marque commands a higher premium compared to Mazda. It will take awhile for Mazda to catch up in Malaysia.

Anyway, I think it's still too early to dismiss the Mazda 6 la. To its merit, there are more new Mazda 6 on the road now than the older version a few years back. And if you noticed, a large majority of these new Accord is actually the 2.0L version.


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QUOTE(billytong @ Sep 9 2008, 10:50 PM)
I think the white version is most strikingly beautiful version as compared to other colors. From far, it has a purplish hew that adds to its elegant styling.

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