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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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eatmyanus
post Jun 19 2008, 03:34 PM

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yeap, get the CBU mazda, honda malaysia build shit CKD cars... I'm being very serious!!!


Added on June 19, 2008, 3:38 pm
QUOTE(unknown warrior @ May 26 2008, 10:13 AM)
whatever it is, i still think Japanese cars are shit.

Toyota Altis has a very poor handling compared to my Peugeot.
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wow, jesus Christ, that was supreme intelligent!!!

CKD Japanese cars are shit, even merc CKD car = the upper class shit cars... fact = -MALAY-sian build cars are equivalent to human waste...

altis are build for comfort not for rally and Japanese may not build the best cars but their are not shit Lexus being one which I can prove based on scientific fact and not a message from jesus laugh.gif

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post Jun 19 2008, 05:32 PM

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Just got this from the Mazda Malaysia forum website... smile.gif

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            New Mazda 6 (2.5L)                               New Accord (2.4L)
Origin          :     Japan (CBU)                      Malaysia (CKD)
Price           :     RM171,500.- OTR                  RM171,800.- OTR  
Engine          :     4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve S-VT    4 Cylinder SOHC 16-Valve i-VTEC
HP/rpm          :     170/6000                         180/6500                            
Torque          :     226Nm@4000rpm                    222Nm@4300rpm
Rim             :     18 inches 225/45                 17inches 225/50
Fuel tank       :     64L                              70L
Transmission    :     5 Speed                          5 speed
Ignition        :     Push Start Button                Key
Turning Radius  :     5.3m                             5.65m
Kerb Weight     :     1385kg                           1525kg
Dimension       :     4755(L)x1795(W)x1440(H)mm        4945(L)x1845(W)x1475(H)mm
Audio System    :     BOSE 6speaker with Subwoofer     Premium Audio 6speaker with subwoofer socket
Airbags         :     6                                4
Seat            :     Leather                          Leather
Braking/Safety  :     ABS, EBD, EBA, DSC, AFS          ABS, EBD, BA, VSA
Sunroof         :     Yes                              No

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post Jun 19 2008, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 19 2008, 05:32 PM)
Just got this from the Mazda Malaysia forum website...  smile.gif

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            New Mazda 6 (2.5L)                               New Accord (2.4L)
Origin          :     Japan (CBU)                      Malaysia (CKD)
Price           :     RM171,500.- OTR                  RM171,800.- OTR  
Engine          :     4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve S-VT    4 Cylinder SOHC 16-Valve i-VTEC
HP/rpm          :     170/6000                         180/6500                            
Torque          :     226Nm@4000rpm                    222Nm@4300rpm
Rim             :     18 inches 225/45                 17inches 225/50
Fuel tank       :     64L                              70L
Transmission    :     5 Speed                          5 speed
Ignition        :     Push Start Button                Key
Turning Radius  :     5.3m                             5.65m
Kerb Weight     :     1385kg                           1525kg
Dimension       :     4755(L)x1795(W)x1440(H)mm        4945(L)x1845(W)x1475(H)mm
Audio System    :     BOSE 6speaker with Subwoofer     Premium Audio 6speaker with subwoofer socket
Airbags         :     6                                4
Seat            :     Leather                          Leather
Braking/Safety  :     ABS, EBD, EBA, DSC, AFS          ABS, EBD, BA, VSA
Sunroof         :     Yes                              No

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This shows that the mazda is cheaper and its a CBU!!

TO add to this,its got a BOSE sound system! Accord 2.4 really sucked big time tthis time around...SOHC no power at all even though its got more horsies than Mazda.
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post Jun 19 2008, 10:06 PM

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and the accord is longer, wider and taller than the mazda6.

its actually a comparison between sport sedan with luxury sedan, in an Asian way.
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post Jun 19 2008, 10:14 PM

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Wow, Mazda 6 anytime!!!
milito
post Jun 19 2008, 10:39 PM

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need to think resale value oso ..
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post Jun 19 2008, 10:48 PM

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Well..In this case..As a youngster..
I'll go for Mazda 6 lol.
jchue73
post Jun 20 2008, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2008, 09:25 PM)
This shows that the mazda is cheaper and its a CBU!!

TO add to this,its got a BOSE sound system! Accord 2.4 really sucked big time tthis time around...SOHC no power at all even though its got more horsies than Mazda.
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Actualy, I made a slight mistake. Did not check when I copied the info. Well, just the pricing needs to be updated because the Mazda went up in price slightly.

The correct pricing for the Mazda 6 should be RM 175,570.20 OTR.

But then again, I took a further peek and noticed that the Mazda 6 already comes with the necessary front, rear, side and trunk spoilers. For the Accord, you need to add RM 5,560 (front spoiler RM 1,180 + rear spoiler RM 1,370 + side spoiler RM 2,180 + trunk spoiler RM 803) for the Modulo accessories. ohmy.gif

You'll find that the Modulo accessories + the base price of the car slightly more expensive than the Mazda 6 even after the slight price increase of the Mazda 6. hmm.gif


Added on June 20, 2008, 1:55 pm
QUOTE(ShinAsakura @ Jun 19 2008, 10:06 PM)
and the accord is longer, wider and taller than the mazda6.

its actually a comparison between sport sedan with luxury sedan, in an Asian way.
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Actually, if you consider the Accord as a "luxury" sedan, then it falls a lot short compared to the Mazda 6 which you consider as sports sedan. Where got meaning? doh.gif

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post Jun 20 2008, 08:02 PM

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Add me as Mazda 6 user, My car will probably coming @ July 2008. Crystal White 2.5L.

Honda is for Uncle. I am not Uncle. tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 08:24 PM

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think the mazda looks sportier and accord looks more luxury
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post Jun 20 2008, 09:14 PM

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How's Mazda's performance compared to VTEC?
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post Jun 20 2008, 10:20 PM

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Malaysian are generally crowd followers....we treated Toyota and Honda household name already. Little did we realise that Toyota and Honda is no longer the same as 20 years ago where most of the parts are from Japan...Now what we get here are parts from malaysia, thailand, indonesia, philippines....

I checked on Australian websites and my relatives there and discover this...Mazda 6 sold in Australia is far more expensive than the Accord..M6 2.5 was sold at 45k while same spec Accord 2.4 was sold at 33k....and the 45k M6 i m talking about is the slightly LOWER spec than in Malaysia!! The highest spec is 17"rim, no keyless start and minus some accessories...This really confirmed that the Accord is way overpriced for what we get here!! Plus from what I read in Motor trader, the CKD Melaka Accord already started to face loads of problems already.
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post Jun 21 2008, 09:53 AM

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Well I never trust Malaysia car workmanship.

if u are buying a new car, u are expecting urself to drive for at least 5-7yrs or above. By that time there isn't much diff of resale value between the Honda. the CBU will make a very much diff in this long period of usage.
if u are changing car every 3-5yrs, then perhaps it is better off looking for a second hand.

B4 Mazda 2.5L, I still driving my old 1998 1st Batch Kembara. (1st Batch of Kembara is much better quality and most parts are imported)
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my friend also bought mazda 6, i told him to swap it from civic 2.0, due to cbu and better workmanship

plus, if u notice, the mazda 6 is at least 200kg lighter than the accord. so even if the accord has more horsies, hp per tonne is about the same. so really accord is just a marketing ploy to suck mindless drones into buying it
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post Jun 21 2008, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(terrysoh @ Jun 20 2008, 08:24 PM)
think the mazda looks sportier and accord looks more luxury
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If luxury without problems is fine. But the reports coming in that the new Accord is plagued with annoying problems associated with local assembly is worrying. No surprise being a CKD.


Added on June 21, 2008, 1:53 pm
QUOTE(psychict @ Jun 20 2008, 09:14 PM)
How's Mazda's performance compared to VTEC?
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I came across this website comparing the Accord 2.4L and the Mazda6 2.5L (amongst other cars);

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On test, the 6 wastes no time stamping its authority on the performance charts. From a standing start, the 6 gets serious the instant you plant the pedal and step off the anchors. The tyres chirp cheerily for a moment as the autobox hooks up, launching the Mazda with perceptibly more thrust than the others.

Thus the 6 is away and gathering pace while its peers are still getting going, and the pecking order is pretty much set in stone by the time the field rushes past 60km/h.

Up to 100km/h, there’s still only tenths of a second between them, but even at that point the Mazda leads clearly from the Accord which has the Mondeo and Octavia locked together on its back bumper. Beyond 100km/h the Mazda extends its lead as the Honda draws farther ahead of the Ford, which finally stretches away from the Skoda.


Rest of the article is here;

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/Road_Tests/Tem...fullarticle=yes


Added on June 21, 2008, 1:57 pm
QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 20 2008, 10:20 PM)
Malaysian are generally crowd followers....we treated Toyota and Honda household name already. Little did we realise that Toyota and Honda is no longer the same as 20 years ago where most of the parts are from Japan...Now what we get here are parts from malaysia, thailand, indonesia, philippines....


Yes. The herd mentality which got us into trouble in the pass elections... rclxms.gif

QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 20 2008, 10:20 PM)
I checked on Australian websites and my relatives there and discover this...Mazda 6 sold in Australia is far more expensive than the Accord..M6 2.5 was sold at 45k while same spec Accord 2.4  was sold at 33k....and the 45k M6 i m talking about is the slightly LOWER spec than in Malaysia!! The highest spec is 17"rim, no keyless start and minus some accessories...This really confirmed that the Accord is way overpriced for what we get here!! Plus from what I read in Motor trader, the CKD Melaka Accord already started to face loads of problems already.
That's true. Perhaps the Honda plant is Melaka is facing high overheads due to high QC rejections...

This post has been edited by jchue73: Jun 21 2008, 01:57 PM
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post Jun 21 2008, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(KeV @ Jun 21 2008, 01:04 PM)
plus, if u notice, the mazda 6 is at least 200kg lighter than the accord. so even if the accord has more horsies, hp per tonne is about the same. so really accord is just a marketing ploy to suck mindless drones into buying it
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Mazda 6 actually has higher hp to weight ratio and higher torque than Accord too. Plus electric power steering also save some hp...Accord is still using the old hydraulic power steering.


Added on June 21, 2008, 5:05 pm
QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 21 2008, 01:49 PM)


Yes. The herd mentality which got us into trouble in the pass elections...  rclxms.gif

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Honda and Toyota knew Malaysians will still buy their car despite so many complaints..and they can overprice their cars too....so you are right, before we can see any improvement from them, I hope Malaysians will do the same as what they did in the last elections......


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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 21 2008, 05:00 PM)
Mazda 6 actually has higher hp to weight ratio and higher torque than Accord too. Plus electric power steering also save some hp...Accord is still using the old hydraulic power steering.


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Honda and Toyota knew Malaysians will still buy their car despite so many complaints..and they can overprice their cars too....so you are right, before we can see any improvement from them, I hope Malaysians will do the same as what they did in the last elections......
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the old hydraulic should give a better feedback
but then, lighter car = better braking performance and also more fun in the bends biggrin.gif
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post Jun 21 2008, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(eatmyanus @ Jun 19 2008, 03:34 PM)
yeap, get the CBU mazda, honda malaysia build shit CKD cars... I'm being very serious!!!
Problem is malaysians will still close their eyes and buy it because is a Honda...Thats why they need to build a different version of higher quality Accord Euro for the technically savvy European gwei lohw.. biggrin.gif



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post Jun 22 2008, 09:32 PM

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test drive M6 2.5L yesterday, ohh man the look really nice, 18 inch wheel, bridgestone tyres, handling superb, bigger shfitronic, damn, i want one,


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guys,
im also in dilemma which car to get last 2 months, for car below 200k, camry 2.4/accord 2.4/mazda6 2.5/used bmw 325 fit into list.
after long wait for launched of accord and M6, this M6 caught my heart .

the only problem is resale value will lower, but so what? the resale value makes me choose accord 4yrs ago although im interesting to get mitsubishi airtrek turbo. and guess what, im driving accord and drolling for air trek everyday i saw it pass by. somemore my frens say me ah pek driving accord at 26 ... thats torture..
in the end, the resale value of airtrek is higher than accord now... doh.gif

so this time, although walking into ah pek ages..30.. i'll choose mazda 6 to makes me look younger~ hehehe icon_rolleyes.gif

my current car is 04' accord 2.4 , bad QC problems of ckd honda i experience b4 makes me back off :
1.warped disc brake rotor, their disc only last for 1 year.claimed 3 disc brake within 3yrs warranty, now 4th yrs and and it happen again.
2.the aircond down after 2yrs, took 2 week to claim and repair!!!!!! luckily i have spare car. if not... how?mad.gif
3.the right hand side reverse sensor no functioning when i receive my car, i hit the water pipe hose when reverse parking just few days after bought it vmad.gif sweat.gif
4.the service center like to say "it's like that 1 la".
5.the rear absorber have rattling sound when new.(now new accord also facing this probs)
6.the co2 sensor will die after 3yrs and cost rm1400 each.
7.rattling sound inside cabin. improper fix dashboard, can see hole...
8.the car vibrate like proton after aircond kick in, same thing happen to new accord feedback.


will go KL test drive the M6 2.5 2weeks later.. will place booking if there's no major problem of car.

This post has been edited by genkis3: Jun 22 2008, 11:25 PM

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