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 2008 Mazda6 2.5 vs 2008 Accord 2.4, Compare 2 hot models from Honda & Mazda

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post Jun 22 2008, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 21 2008, 05:11 PM)
Problem is malaysians will still close their eyes and buy it because is a Honda...Thats why they need to build a different version of higher quality Accord Euro for the technically savvy European gwei lohw.. biggrin.gif
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FYI, Honda Accord Euro R is based on Acura TSX. Our Honda Accord is an imitation Accord.
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post Jun 23 2008, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 22 2008, 11:19 PM)
guys,
im also in dilemma which car to get last 2 months, for car below 200k, camry 2.4/accord 2.4/mazda6 2.5/used bmw 325 fit into list.
after long wait for launched of accord and M6, this M6 caught my heart .

the only problem is resale value will lower, but so what? the resale value makes me choose accord 4yrs ago although im interesting to get mitsubishi airtrek turbo. and guess what, im driving accord and drolling for air trek everyday i saw it pass by. somemore my frens say me ah pek driving accord at 26 ... thats torture..
in the end, the resale value of airtrek is higher than accord now... doh.gif

so this time, although walking into ah pek ages..30.. i'll choose mazda 6 to makes me look younger~ hehehe icon_rolleyes.gif
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When u talk about Resale value, it is more of supply/demand.

If u think there are a lot of people looking for second hand Honda, at the same time there are also a lot of Honda seller too. So it will be pretty much the same in the end in terms of resale value.

Unless u own a exp car that nobody want like Land Rover. It sells exp, maintenance is high. Which makes it less attractive to buy second hand.

Look at Merc Benz E & S Class series. Their resale value is suck even it is a popular car. Car that have expensive parts, high maintenance has low resale value.

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QUOTE(billytong @ Jun 23 2008, 10:09 AM)
When u talk about Resale value, it is more of supply/demand.

If u think there are a lot of people looking for second hand Honda, at the same time there are also a lot of Honda seller too. So it will be pretty much the same in the end in terms of resale value.

Unless u own a exp car that nobody want like Land Rover. It sells exp, maintenance is high. Which makes it less attractive to buy second hand.

Look at Merc Benz E & S Class series. Their resale value is suck even it is a popular car. Car that have expensive parts, high maintenance has low resale value.
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These days I don't see any car have good resale value..Gone were the days where you lost only a minimal amount on your car resale value. My cousin just sold his (cold car?) 2005 Sorento for 89k. Guess what, same year Accord is selling at 90+k..good resale value? Maybe few thousand more... Today buyers are spoilt for choice...There are so many models flooded in our market now. Unlike those days where ppl will just get to buy Proton or next big gap which is Civic, Altis etc....Now for every 10k extra there is a model to choose.

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post Jun 23 2008, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 23 2008, 10:35 AM)
These days I don't see any car have good resale value..Gone were the days where you lost only a minimal amount on your car resale value. My cousin just sold his (cold car?) 2005 Sorento for 89k. Guess what, same year Accord is selling at 90+k..good resale value? Many few thousand more... Today buyers are spoilt for choice...There are so many models flooded in our market now. Unlike those days where ppl will just get to buy Proton or next big gap which is Civic, Altis etc....Now for every 10k extra there is a model to choose.
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exactly, unless u got small car like Kancil, which have better resale value, a car always has a minimum resale price, it will drop massively if it is very exp car, once it drop below 20K then the dropping rate slows down a lot. tongue.gif

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post Jun 23 2008, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Jun 19 2008, 09:25 PM)
This shows that the mazda is cheaper and its a CBU!!

TO add to this,its got a BOSE sound system! Accord 2.4 really sucked big time tthis time around...SOHC no power at all even though its got more horsies than Mazda.
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How reliable is this information ?

As far as i know, Accord 2.4 is running on K-series engine which is DOHC , only the latest R-series found in stream , crv , etc are running on SOHC config, but there's no 2.4 R-series yet...
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post Jun 23 2008, 12:06 PM

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Honda Malaysia still remains K24A DOHC i-VTEC in Accord 2.4 leh. Where got SOHC?
Only 2.0litre running on R20A SOHC i-VTEC (found in CR-V too) and 3.5litre running on J35A2 SOHC i-VTEC VCM.

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post Jun 23 2008, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(andyjyneo @ Jun 22 2008, 11:20 PM)
FYI, Honda Accord Euro R is based on Acura TSX. Our Honda Accord is an imitation Accord.
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Ya..my point is Accord Euro is a different quality Accord compare to the Asian version..It looks more solid and comes with 200hp as well..
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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 23 2008, 12:18 PM)
Ya..my point is Accord Euro is a different quality Accord compare to the Asian version..It looks more solid and comes with 200hp as well..
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That one is using Type R engine. Of course it's solid... It's considered as sports sedan, while our Accord is luxury sedan. Both of them target different category of people.

Please don't compare Accord Euro R with Camry.
Our Accord vs Camry = Correct comparison.
Accord Euro R vs Mark X = Correct comparison.

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post Jun 23 2008, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 22 2008, 11:19 PM)
guys,
im also in dilemma which car to get last 2 months, for car below 200k, camry 2.4/accord 2.4/mazda6 2.5/used bmw 325 fit into list.
after long wait for launched of accord and M6, this M6 caught my heart .

the only problem is resale value will lower, but so what? the resale value makes me choose accord 4yrs ago although im interesting to get mitsubishi airtrek turbo. and guess what, im driving accord and drolling for air trek everyday i saw it pass by. somemore my frens say me ah pek driving accord at 26 ... thats torture..
in the end, the resale value of airtrek is higher than accord now... doh.gif

so this time, although walking into ah pek ages..30.. i'll choose mazda 6 to makes me look younger~ hehehe icon_rolleyes.gif

my current car is 04' accord 2.4 , bad QC problems of ckd honda i experience b4 makes me back off :
1.warped disc brake rotor, their disc only last for 1 year.claimed 3 disc brake within 3yrs warranty, now 4th yrs and and it happen again.
2.the aircond down after 2yrs, took 2 week to claim and repair!!!!!! luckily i have spare car. if not... how?mad.gif
3.the right hand side reverse sensor no functioning when i receive my car, i hit the water pipe hose when reverse parking just few days after bought it  vmad.gif sweat.gif
4.the service center like to say "it's like that 1 la".
5.the rear absorber have rattling sound when new.(now new accord also facing this probs)
6.the co2 sensor will die after 3yrs and cost rm1400 each.
7.rattling sound inside cabin. improper fix dashboard, can see hole...
8.the car vibrate like proton after aircond kick in, same thing happen to new accord feedback.
will go KL test drive the M6 2.5 2weeks later.. will place booking if there's no major problem of car.
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You better hurry...just heard price going up again to 180k. If the demand continues to be strong, it will finally raise up to 185k.
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post Jun 23 2008, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(DrJackal @ Jun 23 2008, 10:55 AM)
How reliable is this information ?

As far as i know, Accord 2.4 is running on K-series engine which is DOHC , only the latest R-series found in stream , crv , etc  are running on SOHC config, but there's no 2.4 R-series yet...
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My apologies. I copied the info earlier and did not realise that it contained some mistakes. I believe the 2.4L Accord comes with a DOHC engine and th 2.0L Accord with SOHC engine.

Corrected comparison as follows;

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            New Mazda 6 (2.5L)                               New Accord (2.4L)
Origin          :     Japan (CBU)                      Malaysia (CKD)
Price           :     RM 175,570.20.- OTR              RM171,800.- OTR  
Engine          :     4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve S-VT    4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve i-VTEC
HP/rpm          :     170/6000                         180/6500                            
Torque          :     226Nm@4000rpm                    222Nm@4300rpm
Rim             :     18 inches 225/45                 17inches 225/50
Fuel tank       :     64L                              70L
Transmission    :     5 Speed                          5 speed
Ignition        :     Push Start Button                Key
Turning Radius  :     5.3m                             5.65m
Kerb Weight     :     1385kg                           1525kg
Dimension       :     4755(L)x1795(W)x1440(H)mm        4945(L)x1845(W)x1475(H)mm
Audio System    :     BOSE 6speaker with Subwoofer     Premium Audio 6speaker with subwoofer socket
Airbags         :     6                                4
Seat            :     Leather                          Leather
Braking/Safety  :     ABS, EBD, EBA, DSC, AFS          ABS, EBD, BA, VSA
Sunroof         :     Yes                              No


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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 23 2008, 01:16 PM)
My apologies. I copied the info earlier and did not realise that it contained some mistakes. I believe the 2.4L Accord comes with a DOHC engine and th 2.0L Accord with SOHC engine.

Corrected comparison as follows;

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            New Mazda 6 (2.5L)                               New Accord (2.4L)
Origin          :     Japan (CBU)                      Malaysia (CKD)
Price           :     RM 175,570.20.- OTR              RM171,800.- OTR  
Engine          :     4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve S-VT    4 Cylinder DOHC 16-Valve i-VTEC
HP/rpm          :     170/6000                         180/6500                            
Torque          :     226Nm@4000rpm                    222Nm@4300rpm
Rim             :     18 inches 225/45                 17inches 225/50
Fuel tank       :     64L                              70L
Transmission    :     5 Speed                          5 speed
Ignition        :     Push Start Button                Key
Turning Radius  :     5.3m                             5.65m
Kerb Weight     :     1385kg                           1525kg
Dimension       :     4755(L)x1795(W)x1440(H)mm        4945(L)x1845(W)x1475(H)mm
Audio System    :     BOSE 6speaker with Subwoofer     Premium Audio 6speaker with subwoofer socket
Airbags         :     6                                4
Seat            :     Leather                          Leather
Braking/Safety  :     ABS, EBD, EBA, DSC, AFS          ABS, EBD, BA, VSA
Sunroof         :     Yes                              No

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Additional features in Mazda 6

Rain sensor
Auto lamp
Rear view mirror auto dimmer
3 memory seat
CF-Net
10,000km service interval
Dual exhaust


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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 23 2008, 02:40 PM)
Additional features in Mazda 6

Rain sensor
Auto lamp
Rear view mirror auto dimmer
3 memory seat
CF-Net
10,000km service interval
Dual exhaust
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Yes, thanks for the additions iceman08. notworthy.gif My wife really digs the memory seat. drool.gif
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post Jun 23 2008, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 23 2008, 02:40 PM)
Additional features in Mazda 6

Rain sensor
Auto lamp
Rear view mirror auto dimmer
3 memory seat
CF-Net
10,000km service interval
Dual exhaust
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10k service interval and dual exhaust is pretty redundant I believe.
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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jun 23 2008, 03:50 PM)
10k service interval and dual exhaust is pretty redundant I believe.
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Just for the sake of comparison between these two model..

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QUOTE(pillage2001 @ Jun 23 2008, 03:50 PM)
10k service interval and dual exhaust is pretty redundant I believe.
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Dual exhaust is cosmetics and would serve no performance increase in this case I guess. But why is the 10k service interval redundant?
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QUOTE(iceman08 @ Jun 23 2008, 12:29 PM)
You better hurry...just heard price going up again to 180k. If the demand continues to be strong, it will finally raise up to 185k.
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reliable info ? hopefully not...
i also want to get it quick , but must wait after my business trip.

hm..silver or white better?


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Technically, silver will be the best choice because it's able to prevent more heat, UV and infrared-rays than any other colors. It's also not easy to be dirtied than white.

However, white is the "in" thing in fashion now.

Bout the Accord problems you face, lucky mine is the last batch of CBU for base spec laugh.gif
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Please ah buy the mazda6.... If i got the moolah i take this anytime over accord ler.. So bohsan looking at accords on d road.. Honda this honda that... Haihhhh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 23 2008, 11:16 PM)
reliable info ? hopefully not...
i also want to get it quick , but must wait after my business trip.

hm..silver or white better?
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Hi guys, i'm new here. I'm a currently an owner of Civic 1.8 and very tempted to change to M6 2.5 after my test drive 2 weeks ago. Am completely in love with the M6 for its solid built, nice interior with all the premium goodies and I must say it is a gorgeous looking car. I have test drive all 3 cars, Accord 2.4, Camry 2.4 and M6 2.5. I'm not bias to any brand but I must say the M6 blew me away. Though the Accord and Camry does feels more spacious and comfortable but it does not gives me the satisfaction I want as a driver. The M6 is a driver's car. The handling is superb and definitely feels more powerful despite having less 10hp than the Accord. Honestly, I just dont feel the 180 horses in the Accord. And the Camry? Boring!

My experience with my made in Melaka Civic is not really a pleasant one. No doubt I still love my Civic for its futuristic interior and great exterior (it still is!), however, the QC is bad. I have weird noises all over the car including some rattling sound on the engine which Honda still cannot rectify despite few major checkups! There was another sound problem with my steering rack which Honda only got it replaced recently. My friend owns a made in Japan Civic 1.8 in Spore and she has none of these problems at all. So, its not really a Honda problem but "Made in where Honda". I'm now more confident that the japan made hondas are far more superior in quality.

So, NOW I'm still deciding on whether to upgrade or not with all the happenings on fuel increase and less demand for cars above 2.0. My only concern now is, how does the M6 2.5 fare on fuel consumption? I notice there are some new M6 owners here. Would really appreciate if you guys can share some info on FC. How many kms can your 64L achieve, combined city and highway driving, on average??

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post Jun 24 2008, 12:39 AM

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Accord 2.4L consume a slightly little more fuel than Mazda6 2.5L. u can go figure out.

And Accord is heavier, which has less power to weight ratio than M6 2.5L.

PS : forget about the fuel consumption, Gov pay subsidize, u had paid exp tax to buy that car, use the Subsidize service too the max.

I dont mind buying a much cheaper car with high fuel consumption, it is still cost effective. (50K can pump fuel quite long already) tongue.gif

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