QUOTE(chatwarrior @ Jul 24 2008, 07:50 PM)
Haha, you think we don't know who you are ?
You register a new name here just to post in this thread with so much to say and still claim you are "not siding anyone" ? Don't you think this traits of yours already sound too familiar ?
Added on July 24, 2008, 8:35 pmThis is how it works. You can be recruited in as a member by another member, by paying RM3,000 plus, RM6,000 plus, Rm9,000 plus or more depending on which you want. You will be told that the more you pay, the higher you earn in return. The person who introduce you to join at RM3,000 plus will earn at least RM200 cash and his upline(your 'grandfather' upline will also earn something, and all the way up). It works just like any MLM business scheme.
If you paid for the RM3,000 plus package, you will be allowed to eat up to an amount of RM150 monthly for at least 2 years, and of course, you can also participate in the marketing scheme of recruiting others in like yourself, and you start to make money from it.
So, you have actually paid in ADVANCE RM3,000 plus for 2 benefits(if you consider them as benefits):
1) You get to eat for up to at least 2 years and earn a total value of more than what you paid initially(provided you have ate up to the full value & they don't close shop or stop the scheme). In other words, it's a PREPAID to Eat or you pay in ADVANCE to eat.
It is not "eat while you get paid". Note: you only get paid if you recruit someone else.
This trick has been used by many ex-MLM Scam like Sunshine Empire, SWISSCASH and many others. The introducer will always sell you with all the good NEWS(just news, usually never come true) of the Company's future plan, a great DREAMS(as you know, dreams are always dreams) that you can retire early, multi-rich by showing you who and who in the Company have already earned a lot. They will even let you have a signed agreement with a solicitor to "guarantee" you their commitment(provided they don't close or run away la). Another Cafe using the same scheme, Island Red Cafe even give you a name registered in the ROC as a shareholder, so even more promising.
But one condition for sure they won't give. They will NOT give you MONEY-BACK GURANTEE or REFUND for unused value.
2) You can start to share, promote, market or recruit(whatever you call it, just like SiliCON here) other members in and start to make money from your friends and downlines. In such a scheme, once you joined, sure you hope the Company will not fail because you have invested money in it; and you start to be like them and continue the game. Just like a Vampire sucked its victim, the victim becomes a Vampire and start to suck others. It is just like a PYRAMID marketing scheme. Those on top will make money. Those at the bottom(majority) will not make money. Example; you recruit 3 members in a month and each of them recuit 3 next month, becomes 9 and 9 times 3 becomes 27 in the 3rd month....by the 12th month more than 50,000 member X RM3,000 each = RM150 Million collected by the Company. Eventually, no one else will join when there is no more FOOLS and the Company must feed this 50,000 members RM150 value of food every month, don't you think they will rather run away ? This is what happened to many companies already in the past.
Common sense and LOGIC tells you theu will fail eventually because when new members get less, the Company will have to continue paying them or letting them to eat, so in MOST cases(in fact, ALL) such schemes have all CLOSED or eventually find an excuse to CHANGE condition and stop giving the members benefits. In other words, the earlier they close, less victims. The bigger they grow means more victims eventually.
In order to be more CONvincing, they will usually tell you somewhere in ANOtHER country, the scheme has worked very well.
Hope you are clear and do advise all your friends not to go to this place in order not to victimise more people.
My goodness, all the things that you said is rather MISLEADING, that's why i say you are just someone with BIG EGO, in which you only understand part of the scheme yet you talk like as if you understand EVERYTHING! the things you said has really proved that you surely have a peanut brain.
PLEASE STOP MISLEADING EVERYONE!
1st of all, you DON'T have to bring in new member to get the REWARDS. e.g, you buy a prepaid package of rm3000, in 2 years time, you get back rm3600. that means you'll get rm600 advertising fees WITHOUT even getting a member.
2ndly, they DON'T pay you with new member's joining fees. they are investing the money they collected in new STG outlets and they will pay you with PROFITS earned from those outlets. so, dont compare it to all those direct sales bullshit or fast cash scheme such as LampeBerger or Swisscash
well, now i really know who's the one twisting and turning. you know NUTS and yet you are talking big here. let's make a bet then, IF YOU DARE!? if steven's plan fail i'll pay you RM50K, if they didnt fail, you pay me the same amount, deal? EVERYONE HERE AS WITNESS. I DARE YOU! dont be someone who only talk BIG but then dont have the guts to face challenge, since you are so SURE it's a scam, then i'll challenge you.
Added on July 25, 2008, 12:24 amQUOTE(summer 69 @ Jul 24 2008, 11:47 PM)
Two thumbs up for what chatwarrior had siad. Keep on the good works....
Haha, you think we don't know who you are ?
You register a new name here just to post in this thread with so much to say and still claim you are "not siding anyone" ? Don't you think this traits of yours already sound too familiar ? <- LAME
summer69 = mr. chat? LOL
Added on July 25, 2008, 1:21 amNOW to clear things up.
1stly STG had set a limit for the membership program, which is 20,000. after the membership had hit 20,000, they will close the program. why? because the $ they collected from members + profits from their new outlets + the loan they get from bank will be enough for them to set up all the other NEW outlets ( stages by stages ofcos, you cant expect all the new outlets to pop up out of no where, right? )
so, why are they getting the 20,000 member for? cause for them, the best way to advertise is through 'WORDS of MOUTH'. instead of paying a hefty fees to ADVERTISE in radio/TV, billboard or banners, they will be paying the advertising fees to their members. eg. OLDTOWN is collecting 3% advertising fees monthly from all their outlets ( let's say the monthly TURNOVER for 1 outlets is rm100k and 3% of it will be rm3k, currently they have 90 outlets, so, 90 times rm3k will be rm270k PER MONTH! rm270k times 12 months will be rm3.24mil, OLDTOWN is using rm3.24mil annually as ADVERTISING FEEs. ) see the story now? STG is just using their advertising fees to rewards their members, is that so hard to understand?
logically, do you think a business can SUCCEED without doing any ADVERTISING? the fees must be paid no matter what. it's either you pay it to those advertising & promotion company OR you can choose to pay it to PEOPLE who help promote your business. OLDTOWN choose the 1st way while STG choose the other, so, anything wrong with it?
2ndly, you DO NOT need to bring in new members to get the ADVERTISING fees, EVERYONE who join the membership program will be getting the ADVERTISING fees even if you didnt bring in a SINGLE member. all they want you to do is come dine at their outlets to make the environment more happening as this is also a way to attract passerby to try out their NEW outlets.
this is what you say->"
If you paid for the RM3,000 plus package, you will be allowed to eat up to an amount of RM150 monthly for at least 2 years, and of course, you can also participate in the marketing scheme of recruiting others in like yourself, and you start to make money from it.
" <-totally bullshit.
here is the REAL deal, if you pay for the rm3000 package, you will be given 200 Food Points (FP) every MONTH (it's a FIXED payout for 24 MONTHS) in which 75% can be redeem as CASH if you fail to consume all the 200 FP by the END of the month. in another words, you'll be able to get rm150 in CASH every month while only the remaining 25% or 50 FP will not be able to convert to CASH. rm150 * 24 = rm3600, 50 FP * 24 = 1200 FP, so in the end of the 24 months, you'll be getting rm3600 in CASH and 1200 in food points (1 FP = rm1, you will be able to use the FP to pay when you dine at STG), so total returns you get after 24months is worth rm4800. minus your capital of rm3000, you'll be getting rm1800 ( rm600cash +1200 FP ). and for the following 3rd to 5th year, STG will be rewarding all their members with 5% of their monthly turnover as advertising fees.
3rdly, you'll be signing a BLACK & WHITE for this program. this is to avoid them not paying you the advertising fees later on.
well, is MLM a scam? surely NO. i think i've explain this in my last post but please, don't tell me only jean72 understand what i've said while all of YOU don't? MLM will only fail if there's no CONSUMER or the MARKET for that certain product is really SMALL. the PYRAMID will not fail if they have a consumer based member (eg. AMWAY ) and a BIG market for their product ( eg.INTEL ). why did i say intel? cause they are using the MLM strategy too, their PYRAMID consist of MANUFACTURER, DISTRIBUTOR, DEALER and lastly CONSUMER. can you understand the picture now?
let me ask you all a question, do you think that there's only 20,000 PEOPLE in MALAYSIA? or KL? F&B will always have a very BIG market, because everyone HAVE to eat! do you think that STG will not survive without their 20,000 members? i tell you, they surely can SURVIVE even if all their 20k members stop dining at STG because there are more than 20,000 people in MALAYSIA and they all have to EAT to survive!
in other words, STG is just rewarding their 20,000 members with their earning from millions of Malaysian. is it so hard to understand? MR.CHAT! stop doing all your misleading calculation, maybe you had been cheated by some DIRECT SALES or FAST CASH company, i pity you for that, but then try to learn from your mistake and get on with life, dont just stick to your past and start comdemning every single thing even before you fully understand everything.
well, it's always best to back what you've said with proper facts, if not, you'll only make yourself look like a fool. i'm DEFINITELY not SIDING anyone, but most of your posts are rather MISLEADING, you dont really understand the plan but yet you are condemn-ing it. IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE SCHEME, HOW COME THERE IS SUCH BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE PLAN AND MINE?
This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 25 2008, 03:00 AM 
Jul 23 2008, 06:00 AM
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...thnk u for resecting the LOWYAT thread.....thank u 
GET A LIFE MAN~ 
and beside the rm1800(already minus your capital ok?) returns, you'll also be getting extra rewards for the following 3 years. so, can this be call a profitable investment now? 
they'll be paying you on a monthly basis bro (that's why i'm interested in their plan), although it's not that much if you're buying the rm3k prepaid package, that why i'm considering the rm30k package for the moment. i've invested in unit trust, land banking, foreign banking investment and properties, but then you can only get to 'see' your return after at least 2 years or more, but well, they do bring you a really good returns (i'm still not daring enough to invest in bluechip, forex or stock market for the moment.), and for property, even if you rent it out and get a monthly rental but then you'll have a loan commitment of about 10-30 years (depending on your income and age), pretty headache sometimes. while for those insurance saving plan, you'll have to TIE up your money for at least 10 long years and for me, i dont take that as an investment, cause their return totally sux if you really calculate properly. i only buy it because of the life 'PROTECTION' plan that comes along with the saving plan. 
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