hmm, after reading the whole tread, it seems like Mr.chat here have really big 'ego' and he's DOING all he can to prove his 'ego' right ( eg. asking people to boycott steven's <- isnt that a little childish? ), while Mr.Silicon is certainly OVER protecting the STG scheme.

i think everyone here deserve the know the truth (to:Mr.SILICON) ! and all the people that wanted to comment or give their view about the STG scheme should do it rationally and logically (to:Mr.CHAT) ! and please show some concrete facts before condemn-ing anything. (to:ALL)

to me, MLM is certainly not a scam! it's just a business strategy and its accepted worldwide with proven success. bt the 'image' of MLM had been tarnish in Malaysia by a certain group of people! Amway is using the MLM system and they are doing well because they have large 'consumer' based members, while LampBerger is a failure because they have a large number of 'i-want-to-become-millionaire' members while the market for their product is so SMALL. there's nothing wrong with Amway or LampBerger actually, the problem lies with the people who try to promote it! some people tent to hide some FACTs from others because those FACTs will drive a certain group of people away, they only think about their profit and all they want is to get more and more members to join as their downline, that's why they will only tell the 'good' things and hide the 'bad' things.

frankly, i've had a good long chat with the STG directors the other day, i found that they have a really good plan here but then, i also found some flaw in it. as you know, PLANNiNG is always perfect! but it'll be a different thing when you APPLY it.

i got to be going now, will be back later tonight. take care mate! cheers

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 22 2008, 05:59 PM

well well well, talking about LAW? i guess 'law' in Malaysia is just so 'fragile'? in between BLACK & WHITE, there's a GREY area, i think a lot of people (whether is businessman, politician and so on) had benefited from it. whether u agree or u don't, its happening around you everyday! i think if you are someone who's running a business, you'll understand what i mean. whether its licensing LAW, taxes LAW or whatever LAW, there's certainly a 'weakness' in it.

what steven's is offering now is actually quite simple. that is when you buy a membership package, they will rewards you with an advertising fees as they believe that you would help advertise their NEW brand name (Steven's Tea Garden) to people around you after you become a member. so, what's wrong with that? there's nothing wrong with it actually. it's a fair 'game' i guess?

the problem here is, can they sustain their business with all those REWARDS to their members? that, really have to depend on how they handle their PLAN. IF they manage to move according to their plan (which is 5 outlets before the end of this year), then everything will look bright. If not, then those who join their membership program will be in 'danger'. will they be over paying/over rewarding? absolutely NO, provided if they have a healthy flow of business for their new outlets.

i heard that they are applying for all the 'needed' license now, hopefully, they are really doing it. if not, then godbless to all the members. for the mean time, they need to be really careful in choosing the words they use. this is their main problem now, as a certain group of members are using some really wrong 'words' to lure new members, they might land some trouble from the authorities later on.

well, from my point of view, they are actually offering a really good money making PLAN here(we can't call it 'investment' as you know why). please, don't expect to get rich with this plan ok? but it do give better return compare to fixed deposit, insurance saving plan or unit trust in current market situation.

so, you either take it or leave it. actually, it all depends on how much you trust the name STEVEN'S CORNER and their management staff. in every business, there's a risk, they have minimize your risk of running a business, what more do you expect? you can't expect them to repay you your $ if they go bankrupt, right? even if you are running your own business, will you be able to get back the $ you invested if your business goes bankrupt? so, for those who had join the membership program, just pray that the business for their new outlet will go well. for those who had not join, please pray hard for those who had join and stop condemning the STG scheme until you really understand what's going on. i've had some chat with their directors and some members and i do understand what they are trying to do here, all they need to do now is to ask their members to explain this scheme a little MORE clearly to people they wish to recruit, and let them understand the RISK that they would be facing so that no one will be blame IF thing goes wrong later on.

this PLAN had actually been use by a restorant in Australia and it's a big success over there but will it work in Malaysia? its still to be seen, let's just wait and see.

well, looks like mr.chat's ego is really getting into him. poor thing~

1st of all, mr.chat, you sounded more like the 1 who had been rejected rather than you're the 1 rejecting 'them'. just name a few point that make you think that this plan is a scam, i really wish to know what's in your mind?

i think i've written a really long msg explaining what is the plan about, so it's either you have a peanut brain or your ego is really getting into you to not understand what i've said. frankly, the one who is twisting and turning like a snake seems to be you? LOL

they call it 'get paid while you eat' is because they are PAYING you an advertising fees when you sign up for the prepaid membership plan, so, you DO get PAID while you dine there, is that so hard for you to understand? my goodness~i though you nearly become their 'consultant'? but well, you cant even understand such a simple facts? no wonder they rejected you. poor thing~

2ndly, boycott-ing steven's is such a childish act. unless like what jean72 said, we should only boycott them if their food sux and if they are over charging. it seems like you really hope that steven's plan will fail? what would you get if they fail? you will only be able to satisfy your ego but then a lot of innocent member will suffer, please be more considerate and try to view things from different directions, dont just look on 1 direction and then act like as if you know about everything. everyone know how to think for themself, whether they are join-ing the plan or not, it's all up to them. i've analyze and also did some calculation for their plan and i still dont dare to say that it's a scam. this plan is pretty logic and they do have a chance to succeed. like i said, eveyrthing have their RISK, so, you either take it or leave it. there's no 'FREE MEAL' or 100%-success-plan in this world, so, stop being so naive.

for me, i rather help to make their plan a success than hoping for it to fail, cause a lot of people's money are at stake now. PLEASE dont talk like as if you are helping the 'victims' when actually you are hoping for them to lose their $.

P/s: i'm not siding anyone here, i'm just a kepochi who like to challenge people with 'big ego' and those who talk without proper facts.

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 24 2008, 04:30 AM

My goodness, all the things that you said is rather MISLEADING, that's why i say you are just someone with BIG EGO, in which you only understand part of the scheme yet you talk like as if you understand EVERYTHING! the things you said has really proved that you surely have a peanut brain.

PLEASE STOP MISLEADING EVERYONE!

1st of all, you DON'T have to bring in new member to get the REWARDS. e.g, you buy a prepaid package of rm3000, in 2 years time, you get back rm3600. that means you'll get rm600 advertising fees WITHOUT even getting a member.

2ndly, they DON'T pay you with new member's joining fees. they are investing the money they collected in new STG outlets and they will pay you with PROFITS earned from those outlets. so, dont compare it to all those direct sales bullshit or fast cash scheme such as LampeBerger or Swisscash

well, now i really know who's the one twisting and turning. you know NUTS and yet you are talking big here. let's make a bet then, IF YOU DARE!? if steven's plan fail i'll pay you RM50K, if they didnt fail, you pay me the same amount, deal? EVERYONE HERE AS WITNESS. I DARE YOU! dont be someone who only talk BIG but then dont have the guts to face challenge, since you are so SURE it's a scam, then i'll challenge you.

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Added on July 25, 2008, 12:24 amHaha, you think we don't know who you are ?
You register a new name here just to post in this thread with so much to say and still claim you are "not siding anyone" ? Don't you think this traits of yours already sound too familiar ? <- LAME

summer69 = mr. chat? LOL

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Added on July 25, 2008, 1:21 amNOW to clear things up.

1stly STG had set a limit for the membership program, which is 20,000. after the membership had hit 20,000, they will close the program. why? because the $ they collected from members + profits from their new outlets + the loan they get from bank will be enough for them to set up all the other NEW outlets ( stages by stages ofcos, you cant expect all the new outlets to pop up out of no where, right? )

so, why are they getting the 20,000 member for? cause for them, the best way to advertise is through 'WORDS of MOUTH'. instead of paying a hefty fees to ADVERTISE in radio/TV, billboard or banners, they will be paying the advertising fees to their members. eg. OLDTOWN is collecting 3% advertising fees monthly from all their outlets ( let's say the monthly TURNOVER for 1 outlets is rm100k and 3% of it will be rm3k, currently they have 90 outlets, so, 90 times rm3k will be rm270k PER MONTH! rm270k times 12 months will be rm3.24mil, OLDTOWN is using rm3.24mil annually as ADVERTISING FEEs. ) see the story now? STG is just using their advertising fees to rewards their members, is that so hard to understand?

logically, do you think a business can SUCCEED without doing any ADVERTISING? the fees must be paid no matter what. it's either you pay it to those advertising & promotion company OR you can choose to pay it to PEOPLE who help promote your business. OLDTOWN choose the 1st way while STG choose the other, so, anything wrong with it?

2ndly, you DO NOT need to bring in new members to get the ADVERTISING fees, EVERYONE who join the membership program will be getting the ADVERTISING fees even if you didnt bring in a SINGLE member. all they want you to do is come dine at their outlets to make the environment more happening as this is also a way to attract passerby to try out their NEW outlets.

this is what you say->"If you paid for the RM3,000 plus package, you will be allowed to eat up to an amount of RM150 monthly for at least 2 years, and of course, you can also participate in the marketing scheme of recruiting others in like yourself, and you start to make money from it.
" <-totally bullshit.

here is the REAL deal, if you pay for the rm3000 package, you will be given 200 Food Points (FP) every MONTH (it's a FIXED payout for 24 MONTHS) in which 75% can be redeem as CASH if you fail to consume all the 200 FP by the END of the month. in another words, you'll be able to get rm150 in CASH every month while only the remaining 25% or 50 FP will not be able to convert to CASH. rm150 * 24 = rm3600, 50 FP * 24 = 1200 FP, so in the end of the 24 months, you'll be getting rm3600 in CASH and 1200 in food points (1 FP = rm1, you will be able to use the FP to pay when you dine at STG), so total returns you get after 24months is worth rm4800. minus your capital of rm3000, you'll be getting rm1800 ( rm600cash +1200 FP ). and for the following 3rd to 5th year, STG will be rewarding all their members with 5% of their monthly turnover as advertising fees.

3rdly, you'll be signing a BLACK & WHITE for this program. this is to avoid them not paying you the advertising fees later on.

well, is MLM a scam? surely NO. i think i've explain this in my last post but please, don't tell me only jean72 understand what i've said while all of YOU don't? MLM will only fail if there's no CONSUMER or the MARKET for that certain product is really SMALL. the PYRAMID will not fail if they have a consumer based member (eg. AMWAY ) and a BIG market for their product ( eg.INTEL ). why did i say intel? cause they are using the MLM strategy too, their PYRAMID consist of MANUFACTURER, DISTRIBUTOR, DEALER and lastly CONSUMER. can you understand the picture now?

let me ask you all a question, do you think that there's only 20,000 PEOPLE in MALAYSIA? or KL? F&B will always have a very BIG market, because everyone HAVE to eat! do you think that STG will not survive without their 20,000 members? i tell you, they surely can SURVIVE even if all their 20k members stop dining at STG because there are more than 20,000 people in MALAYSIA and they all have to EAT to survive!

in other words, STG is just rewarding their 20,000 members with their earning from millions of Malaysian. is it so hard to understand? MR.CHAT! stop doing all your misleading calculation, maybe you had been cheated by some DIRECT SALES or FAST CASH company, i pity you for that, but then try to learn from your mistake and get on with life, dont just stick to your past and start comdemning every single thing even before you fully understand everything.

well, it's always best to back what you've said with proper facts, if not, you'll only make yourself look like a fool. i'm DEFINITELY not SIDING anyone, but most of your posts are rather MISLEADING, you dont really understand the plan but yet you are condemn-ing it. IF YOU DO UNDERSTAND THE SCHEME, HOW COME THERE IS SUCH BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE PLAN AND MINE?

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 25 2008, 03:00 AM

for God's sake, seems like people here really like to make some wild guess and then claim that it's the truth. cant you guys just talk with some sense? Roxygal, please dont be another fool in the making ok?

1stly, you guys say STG is a SCAM, but then, after i clarify everything, now you say it's not a scam but it's just a MLM and it's risky. GET A LIFE MAN~

tell me then, which business HAVE NO RISK? i'm really interested, mind telling me? is there any business in this world that have NO risk at all? if you are not up for the challenge, then just stick to your job and work whole life, dont get yourself involve in any kind of business, simple!

and after explaining about MLM in my previous post, i still cant knock some sense into some people here. MLM is NOT DIRECT SALES or FAST RICH/CASH SCHEME, GET IT? it's just a business strategy that is used WORLDWIDE! eg. INTEL, you know what is INTEL? or NIKE? ADDIDAS? THEY are all using the MLM strategy, starting from MANUFACTURER, DISTRIBUTOR, DEALER then down to CONSUMER <- this is also call MULTI-LEVEL-MARKETING or what we called MLM. HELLO MATE, please put your brain to work before making any claim here ok?

well, i found that there are some really stubborn people here, after you explain everything to them and they know that they were wrong in the 1st place, they start to make other FALSE claim to hide their mistake. if you answer them again, they will certainly make other senseless claim till you feel tired and stop explaining, then they would claim VICTORY and think that they are just so damn smart. its really a waste of time arguing with them as their brain is still stuck in their asses. so, if you guys are just here to argue for the sake of arguing, just let it be then~ LOL

well mate, rm1800 for an investment of rm3000, its already a return of more than 50% of your capital. if you invest rm300,000, then for sure your return will be rm180,000, right? lol. some times you have to understand, when you invest so little then surely your return will be little, you cant expect to invest rm3000 and get a return of rm30k or rm300k or rm3mil, right? if you have such 'LOBANG' then make sure you let me know ok?

and YES, we're are the 1 who's financing STG for a small return, but well, we have be considerate too, we are just PARK-ing our $ at STG, we dont need get involve in any sort of 'setting up' work for all their cafes, we just sit there and collect $ without doing anything, that's why it's fair if they get a bigger slice of the 'CAKE'. by the way, can you start any sort of business with that rm3k of yours and be sure that it would make a good return? or do you think that the return for fixed deposit, unit trust or saving plan would be better than STG's return in CURRENT market situation? there are PROs and CONs in everything we do bro, that's why i say, it's either you take it or leave it. if you think you can make a better profit with your rm3k then just go for it, i'll be happy for you too.

well, i guess a lot of people only think about 'winning' in every circumstances, they wish that they could have all the profit even if they didnt work hard for it. better change your mind set bro, there's no free meal in this world, our return will always equal to the effort we put in, YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE. if i have a 'SURE WIN' business, do you think i would be so stupid to share it with people i dont even know? that's why a lot of people got cheated again and again by those 'fast cash/rich' scheme, it's all because of GREED.

well bro, i think you didnt read clearly what i've wrote in my previous post. what i said was, you'll get back rm4800 in return, so what's the lost of rm1200 you're talking about? when i say the return is rm1800, i already minus/took out the capital you invested, that is rm3000. how could i possibly lost an irrecoverable rm1200 when i already get a return of rm4800? and beside the rm1800(already minus your capital ok?) returns, you'll also be getting extra rewards for the following 3 years. so, can this be call a profitable investment now?

bro, i'm beginning to lose patience already lah, please read what i've wrote slowly and carefully ok?

chill lah bro, maybe some of my word are too harsh for you and you are in a rush reply me, but then, do take some time to read carefully and understand what i've written, so that i dont have to explain the same thing over and over again. ok bro?

if you think you have a better way to invest your money in, then just go ahead or would you be nice enough to share your plan with us then? i'm really interested in the 'investment' you had in mind, what is consider a profitable investment for you and how well have you earn from your past investment? if you can show me a plan that's better then i might as well invest in your plan, since i havent make up my mind to invest in STG yet. a lot of people do have rm300k or more (at least people around me do have that amount of money) but then they MIGHT not want to risk those money in any sort of investment (for now) because of the situation of our country's economy and politic.

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 25 2008, 01:22 PM

they'll be paying you on a monthly basis bro (that's why i'm interested in their plan), although it's not that much if you're buying the rm3k prepaid package, that why i'm considering the rm30k package for the moment. i've invested in unit trust, land banking, foreign banking investment and properties, but then you can only get to 'see' your return after at least 2 years or more, but well, they do bring you a really good returns (i'm still not daring enough to invest in bluechip, forex or stock market for the moment.), and for property, even if you rent it out and get a monthly rental but then you'll have a loan commitment of about 10-30 years (depending on your income and age), pretty headache sometimes. while for those insurance saving plan, you'll have to TIE up your money for at least 10 long years and for me, i dont take that as an investment, cause their return totally sux if you really calculate properly. i only buy it because of the life 'PROTECTION' plan that comes along with the saving plan.

i'm glad that you understand what i mean.

well, if you manage to recruit 3 friends to join the rm3k prepaid member package(with you yourself as a rm3k package member), you'll be getting a referrer fees of rm200 for EACH friend you recruited (if i'm not mistaken), and that's a 1 time fees. for the monthly payout, it's 200 food point (in which 75% can to redeem as cash by the end of the month = rm150 cash + 50 fv every month). they do offer extra bonus if you manage to get a certain number of members. if you wanted to know more, its better that you go meet up with their managers or directors and let them explain to you. just call me along if you are going, i wanted to know your view after you finish listening to their explanation of this plan. i still need a little bit of 'spark' to make me invest in this plan.

1st of all, they are NOT an investment company, there fore, they dont need to register with SC.

2ndly, i was told that their MLM license will be out this November. you should read their Agreement to understand how they run now.

3rdly, are you all still new to the 'WORLD OF BUSINESS'? do you think every BIG company you see today are running according to MALAYSIA's LAW? even BANKs are running on the GREY line. some of their trust fund are registered using that GREY line, dont tell me you dont know anything about it mr.jordy (unit trust consultant)?

i know some of you guys here are really good 'technically' (with all the talk/understanding about laws, business registration matter, marketing plan and etc) but then you guys have to try and learn more about the 'practical' side of business. i've touch on this in my previous post and i dont intend to explain it again, everyone have their own understanding of a certain thing depending on their status (i'm not talking about rich or poor ok? what i mean was whether you're a 'small' businessman, 'big' businessman, professionals or just a office boy) eg, i've had a chat with a SME senior officer of a certain bank, he's 1 of the top sales(maybe self claim, i dont know), he's really good technically(helping me with all those loan stuff and he did a good job too) but then his knowledge/understanding about running a business is really poor.

i'm really starting to feel that i'm wasting my time here explaining things to people who ask the same old question over and over again. use your brain lah dude, or maybe go and mix around with people who ran BIG business, you dont go around mixing with wan tan mee seller or people who's doing some small business and then come here and claim that you know a lot about business. my goodness~

it's time for me to ciao already, dont want to waste my time on people who cant understand the simple LAW OF LIFE IN MALAYSIA. there are things that we cant do at other countries, but in Malaysia? if you have that certain 'ability', you can do a lot of 'things'.

i was here, hoping to get some useful view about STG before making my final decision, but instead what i get is some false claim (without any proper understanding/facts about them), people here seems to be arguing for the sake of arguing and talking for the sake of talking. give me something that i dont know lah dude, instead i'm the one who did all the explaining. if you guys wanted any sort of explanation, go straight to the STG management or marketing staff lah, then after getting all the needed info from them, we discuss it here. wouldnt it be better that way?

it's so damn weird, you wanted to know more about STG, instead of going straight to them and listen to what they have to say (at least go ask the question you wish to ask and then see how they answer you lol), if you still have any doubt about what they say, then only go to SC, BNM or KPDN. for God's sake~ you guys are doing things the other way round and then you start to condemn STG. dont just listen to all those info given by their members lah, go straight to the managers or directors, cause a lot of their members only know a thing or two, but then they already act smart (most of the time, they will be hiding some facts too).


This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 25 2008, 05:44 PM

well, MR.CHAT, your post have really prove that you are just someone with big ego and you are twisting and turning everything to suit your claims. i think i've answer most of other people's doubts and also YOUR question in my previous post while you cant even answer my simple question.

1stly, if you're really so 'CLEAR' about the STG scheme, why is there such a big difference in your explanation and my explanation of the scheme? CAN YOU ANSWER ME PLEASE?

2ndly, why cant you take up my challenge if you are so sure STG will not last long? (i challenge you because i was getting ready to join STG, while your claims seems to make me look stupid if i really join them, that's why i DARE you here! just take up the challenge and stop being such a lame ass.)

3rdly, i've give an explanation on how MLM and the PYRAMID works, why cant you understand such simple facts? some of the MLM company need to use their NEW member's fees to pay their OLD members and end up closing down because:-
a) their PRODUCT have very SMALL market (LampeBerger) - F&B is a really BIG market OK?
b) they DIDNT invest those money collected on a CONCRETE business (SwissCash) - 1st STG outlet opening on 08/08/08 OK?
c) they OVERPAY (Seaweed/Gold Investment Scheme) - STG will only OVERPAY if they have NO business flow for their STG outlets. this is just a SIMPLE risk that EVERY business have to face. let me know if you have a NO RISK business OK? i would like to join. if you cant take such simple risk then just stick to your job and dont venture into business.

CONSUMER based PYRAMID/MLM company have been really successful, eg. AMWAY.

4th, why do they need the MLM license? because they will need it in FUTURE (i was told that they have a phase 2 project coming). it's always better to be READY for future challenges. maybe you are those kind of people who always do things last min, but then that doesnt mean other people will be like you.

5th, i defend them because YOU (mr.chat) are making a lot of MISLEADING and FALSE claims. i'm not defending them for the sake of defending. READ MY PREVIOUS POST TO FIND OUT WHY.

so, can i have some ANSWERS please, Mr.CHAT. could you please stop avoiding my QUESTIONS? you are just repeating your OWN claims over and over again without answering my questions. i've proved your calculation wrong, i think people with a little bit of 'smartness' inside them will get what i've said, but with your peanut brain, it'll be a little hard for your to understand.

you keep on claiming that i'm misleading but then you cant even tell which part of the things i say is misleading?? my goodness, it's like you're saying, ' Look, he's cheating!' ~THE END~ and when people ask you why you said so, you're answering them,'because he's cheating loh'. funny right?

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 26 2008, 11:02 AM

well bro, i'm really upset because i've been explaining the SAME OLD THING over and over again lah, please put yourself in my situation lah. cant you see that you all are asking the SAME QUESTIONS after i've explained it? GERAM lah la bro. i've ASK POLITELY for you all to READ my post carefully but then all i get was the same old question. it's like i'm telling you all something but you all keep on 'ya meh? ya meh? like this 1 meh? got 1 meh?' if you think what i've said is just plain bullshit, why dont you go talk to their managers or directors? and then after that we could have a proper discussion? rather than keep on asking me the same thing over and over again without even putting some effort to go do some survey. i'm feeling like fool lah bro. i go around trying to get as much info as possible to be discuss here but what i get in the end? i've been told that i'm a CLONE lah, i'm cheating lah, i'm protecting STG lah, blah blah blah. i think i've given enough answer and i wish that my question will be answered too, but did i get any answer? esspecially from mr.chat, he cant even answer my simple question and yet you all seems to be siding him, doesnt that makes you all his clone?

i've try to talk about other investment with you (land banking, properties, unit trust and etc) but u didnt give me any response. nvm

after that i've tried explaining to you that if you wish to know more about the STG, go talk to their managers or directors and if you need me to be there, i'll go over to have a look and listen to your view/questions you had for them, cause i know the question i asked when i met them might not be enough and i thought maybe you would have other question that didnt came into my mind when i was there. did you give me any response? NO, then ok, i also didnt say anything.

then i've tried to answer your doubt about the scheme with the understanding i got from their directors, i've been typing for so long but i found that you didnt read my posting throughly as i've been thrown with the same question again and again, i also try to be patient. after i have explain to you about the scheme, you didnt give me any response also. whether my explanation is right or wrong, you also didnt show any sort of response.

and finally, a negative posting about STG came out, here you come, suddenly out of nowhere posting things like 'Ahem...s wiper/devil?' <- it's like you are treating me as a fool lah dude, i try to talk to you as a friend, trying to share view about other investment with you but then you have no reply for me, but when a negative posting about STG came out, you drag me into it.

do you know how i feel dude?


This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 26 2008, 03:17 PM

you are just so funny, i'm CHALLENGING you, i'm not DEAL-ing with you ok? if you dont have the guts then just say so, dont find yourself all sort of reasons to safe your lame ass. IF i'm really a CONMAN then you should teach me a lesson, just bet with me and let me lose the rm50k, simple right? if i get my ass burned, i wont be able to CON anyone anymore, isnt that a good way to stop me CON-ing people? and i'm NOT pretending to challenge you, i'm serious with the challenge, it's just you who's running away.

how UNREASONABLE was i? i was ANSWERING all your questions here, but then you are the one who CANT even answer a SINGLE question of mine, so, who's the one that's UNREASONABLE?

if you wanted to SHOOT anyone, then SHOOT with facts, not just with your OWN understanding of a certain thing. the things you claim as FACTS has been SHOOT down by me, i've proved that you are just making FALSE claim here, i'm asking you to CLARIFY it, but did you? you just come and argue for the sake of arguing. you cant answer my question and you cant even prove yourself right. how lame is that~

just look at all your post, you come out shooting STG and claim that you know what are they doing, but then in the end your EXPLANATION have all been PROVEN as 'misleading', you CANT even explain about their scheme correctly. isnt that a little FUNNY?

even till now, you still CANT explain to me which part of my post shows that i'm CON-ing people? just CUT & PASTE it here. DONT just keep on talking without proper FACTS.

i think what your grandma meant was 'Never never deal with a CONMAN, because our family are born with a peanut brain, we cant outsmart them. so, its better we just stick to people with the same peanut brain like us'.

well bro, the reason that i reply your post all the time is because i think we are in the same boat (you are keen to invest and so am i). i seldom reply silicon cause for him, STG is his career while for me, it's just an investment. i dont think i'll be doing too much on the member get member part. if my friend are interested, then i'll ask them to join me, if not, i dont think i'll be going around asking people to join.

i was looking for info in pjnet and i got a link that send me here, so, i thought i could get more info about STG here, then i saw mr.chat flaming silicon, at 1st, i didnt care to bother about their argument and i was starting to doubt STG after looking at mr.chat's post as i thought he really knows what's going on in STG. as i read on, i found that mr.chat is giving out a lot of misleading info, that's why i try to correct it and prove him wrong.

i know that LAW is important, but then some times, in business, we simply need to run along the grey line. there's no right or wrong there, the authorities cant touch you there cause they dont have any law to stop anything that's in the grey line. but well, i do agree that its always risky to run in the grey line as maybe 1 day, they might set up a new law and you might end up in trouble. that's why i am glad that STG had register for all the needed licenses.

i didnt join them last time because of that too, i was considering whether should i risk my $ or not, although i got really attracted to their plan. but since they will be getting all the necessary license, i think i should be joining STG next week.

actually i'm fine if you wanted to share other investment with me as i did a lot of investment too. will be going into share market soon.

well bro, let end our misunderstanding here ok? Cheers~

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 27 2008, 11:06 AM

basicly, to me, there's always a risk when you venture into business. as for the the scheme, there're PROs and CONs about it. that's why i always say, it all depends on how much you trust steven's corner, if you think they are willing to tarnish their 31 years brand name for your $, then just leave this scheme alone, if not, then you are free to join.

Just like what i've said, not high risk high return, but high risk, no return yet lose all initial capital. Is that worth it? erm, i think those are basicly your own view from your experiences about such scheme, but for me, i have a different view. i dont dare to say that you are wrong, but then everyone have different experiences and everyone look things differently. maybe i havent got cheated from such scheme before, although i've been approach by dozen of MLM/Direct sales company, non of them manage to convince me. whether this scheme will be a success or not, is still to be seen, let's be patient and see what happen next.

take it easy bro, this is a cruel world, some times you have to get yourself into some deepshit before you can learn to be wiser. maybe to me, walking in the grey line is something very common, i get to see it all the time, that's why i dont feel much fear about it.

bro, there's no risk that can be control, if not, there wont be any bankruptcy already bro. we can only calculate the risk but then there's no way we can control it. bro, even if you are the one planning and running your own business, you could end up losing everything too. as what i always say, planning will always be prefect, but when it comes to practical, it might not go as well as you thought.

as what i told you, for you it might be too risky and it's merely stupid to go into such scheme, but for me, i have a different view about things. i dont consider myself smart but i dont think i'm stupid either. who's right and who's wrong? its still to be seen bro. so, dont put your judgement on something that havent happen bro.

i'm doing investment for quite some time already bro, and up till now, i havent taste any failure yet. i know there will be 1 day, i will fail and i will have to take the failure positively and learn from it. maybe this might be the it, i dont know and only time will tell.

for me:

1. you make money so hard
2. you hope to make extra return on your hard money
3. you have to put your money into investment that you cant see a 'clear future', that is the kind of investment that will bring you a lot $. if you invest on something that everyone know will make big money, how big will the money be when 'it' reach you in the end of the day?
4. everything actually depends on your age. if you're in your thirties or fourties, then it's better that you do something that is low in risk, but at my age, i have nothing to lose. its either i earn a lot more or i lose everything and start all over again. afterall, this is just 1 part of my investment, even if it failed, it wont hurt me much.

i meet up with a person recently, a 30 plus young executive, he was criticizing my investment strategy and are damn proud of his own because to him, owning a car and 2 properties at the age of 30 something is an achievement. but well, i was fed up with all his nonsense at that time and ask him a few question, that is,'if you're so good in investment, how come you're driving a MyVi while i'm driving a german made car? what is it to me when you own 2 properties that cost merely 400k while i've just bought a 800k plus house?'. that really shut him up and my advise to him was,'you can share your view on any investment but dont criticize it unless you are a 'proven' investor. no one can tell about the future, just share your view without criticizing, cause you might make a fool out of yourself if the things you criticize turn out to be a success.'


This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 27 2008, 06:46 PM

wow, sorry to disappoint you, i've been away on a business trip. now i'm back, guess you are up for the challenge now? alright, send me your particulars and contacts, i'll get the agreement ready in no time. dont chicken out ok? i'll be waiting...

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Added on July 30, 2008, 4:29 amare you joking bro? As the owner of the company, IF you THINK your future is not good, and you're not doing well, then you can stop the business and preserve the capital. what business are you in bro? seems like your business were so EASY to close down to preserve capital, i'm curious, how much capital could you preserve if your business is NOT doing well and you're closing down? dont tell me you'll be closing down your business if it's not doing well in 2 to 3months? IF your business is NOT doing well and you close down after 6 month, how much capital will be left? IF you are renting a shop or office for your business, do you think you can breach the contract just because YOUR business is not doing well?

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Added on July 30, 2008, 4:34 amwell bro, i do listen to advices, dont worry, but only from people who had done better or from people who ARE better than me. other than that, i will take those words from people who is not any better than me as their personal views or comments.

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Added on July 30, 2008, 4:47 amHigh risk yield higher return. But if the young executive you've mention has lower risk appetite, then his return might not be as well as your's. But if things turns ugly, your investment portfolio, might be worst than his. well bro, that's why we have to diversify our investment, dont invest all your money in 1 thing, so when anything goes wrong, we still can SURVIVE.

dont worry bro, i can differentiate asset and liability really well. i'm walking in the grey line all the time, that's why i'm not too worried about walking in it. there are things that i could not disclose here as it may cause 'certain' people to lose their job (mainly on income tax and bank's privilege for me).

anyway bro, the way you talk about business are rather too 'easy'. i wonder, have you ever started a business? no offence bro, but i'm quite curious.

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 30 2008, 04:50 AM

Get your lawyer and draft out the agreement of our bet or challange, and I try to please you. Other than that, don't waste my time. I rather spend it to give more information to the others. <- this is what you wrote the other day.

You and SiliCON really know how to pretend, twist or beat around the bush. READ my message carefully. PUT up your agreement & guarantee here for me to see first. Knowing very well you cannot be trusted, you think I want to waste time with you ?
<- this is what you wrote yesterday

well, KID. it's funny how you like to twist and turn even when all the evidence are STILL here. you ask me to get a LAWYER and draft an agreement, so, i'm going to do just that, dont worry, but i need your particulars and contact so that my LAWYER could contact you and ask you to see him in order EXPLAIN to you about the agreement and SIGN the agreement. but now you tell me that you just want the agreement to be put up here? for you to SEE first? did you mention anything about PUTTING up HERE and SEE first in your 1st reply? if you dont dare to accept the challenge then just say so, dont give me so many excuses already ok?

you cant even answer all the question i asked and now you dont even dare to accept my challenge, from what i see, you are nothing but just a KID with big ego, so should i continue to reply you or should i just give up? its really a waste of time to listen to all your crap that are baseless. you cant answer my doubts and you are not up for the challenge, all you're good at is just talking big here and find all sort of excuses to save your own ass.

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Added on July 30, 2008, 12:36 pmyou are such a plain stupid kid who cant even understand simple words. cant you accept the facts? the midvalley and genting outlets will be up soon (in stages), they are focusing on the pyramid outlet now as the opening is near, after that then they will start to focus on other outlets, why are you so rushing? and about the touch n go card, they have change it to E-genting card as E-genting provide better services, can you accept this facts? the card is still coming out, its just that they change the card provider. so, who's cheating here? find some facts then only talk lah, how many times do i need to tell you?!

the Pandan Indah's business drop slightly because they are not allowed to have tables and chairs outside their shops, not because they have lost their popularity, get it? they can put the tables and chairs out again but then it will end up being cleared off by MPAJ, so, what's the point? just to show their popularity to you is it? you are just so lame~

now, i'm sure that you are lame. you lose a 'fight' here then you try to start a 'fight' in another thread, THAT's completely LAME. just ask them to come here to read everything, i'm not interested to start from A-Z again. dont expect everyone to be as FREE as you ok? i know that you have nothing better to do, but that doesnt mean everyone is like you ok? be more considerate. just copy the link and then they will come here to read everything if they are curious/interested about the STG topic.

i never force anyone to join and i never will cheat anyone by hiding facts or finding all sort of excuses LIKE you. i only talk with facts and answer all doubts with sincerity. i'm not like you ok? crapping here and there, lame~ when i invested on something, i'll take the risk positively, if lose then i lose like a gentleman, that's it!

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 30 2008, 12:36 PM

you're surely such a lame joker. it's not that i dont understand what you wrote or i try to twist and turn, i'm merely just COPYING the things you wrote and paste it to let everyone see, YOU were the 1 who ask me to get a lawyer for the agreement but now you say all you want is just a CASUAL agreement, and you try to blame it on me for twisting and turning those facts, ain't that funny?

If you cannot afford a lawyer, you may draft it yourself. You challenged me to a bet; so you must provide with the agreement. Let me see it first. If I think the deal is well secured and fair to me, I will accept. Now, let's see who is backing-off. <- you're just so funny, i told you to send me your particulars and contact number and my lawyer will do the rest but you dont dare, then now you try to question my ability to get a lawyer? how lame~ get a life *******. just send me your particular and i'll get my lawyer to have the agreement done within 3 days! stop finding yourself some lame excuses already ok?

even till now, you still cant answer the questions i had for you yet you still dare to come here and bark around.

hehe, bro. since when did i 'directly' says that SC/STG is running in the grey area? when i talk about the grey are, i'm referring to 'business' not STG/SC.

well bro, i'm not trying to scare off potential investor for SC/STG, but they do have the rights to know about the truth. i've told you guys, i'm investing in SC/STG also, but then i wont be protecting their ass if they didnt do things the 'right' way. everyone should know about the risk in the things they invested in, if you can accept it then just take it, if not then just leave it alone.

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Added on July 31, 2008, 3:02 pmwell, bro, it's not about 'saving face' or 'conflicts in disagreement', it's about 'making baseless allegation' and i'm just trying to make things right. i back up everything i said with facts. well, if i says that i just ride mom yesterday and she has really bad skill? will you be fine with that? so, if you deny it, does that means you wanted to 'jaga muka'? and we are just having a 'conflicts in disagreement'? which MIGHT means that i could be right and you're just denying it simply because you wanted to 'jaga your family's muka'?

see bro, sometimes there are people who is just so selfish, if something happens to someone else, they'll be like,' oh well, dont be childish and make the problem big.' but when that 'something' happens to themself, they'll be the 1st to 'make the problem big', yet they consider themself as MATURE. LOL hopefully you are not one of those people ok?

use your brain bro, dont just talk for the sake of talking. i'm not going to start a war with you and i guess since you're a mature person, you wont be doing that also right? haha

This post has been edited by Devil2: Jul 31 2008, 04:11 PM

at last...a meaningful thread!