Did you last mentioned that I am giving you personal attack ? Which of my post is a personal attack ? I am just giving my own opinions and tried to prevent from everyone here from being victims in case this is a scam.

In your post #14 on May 1, you mentioned those 4 outlets they are going to open.

Can I ask you are they CONFIRMED ? I go Times Square nearly every week. No signs of any new Cafe opening soon or under renovations since May 1.

My friend who frequents Sunway Pyramid everyday just told me there is no signs of that Steven Tea Corner having any renovation work. Maybe they just have a mutual understanding with the Sunway Complex Management to "test the water".

Use some common sense, siliCon.

If the construction contractors got doubts then they would not want to commence the works.

They are not like those days, rushing to your office the moment you have jobs for them.

They want to see the real money first.

In fact, they are the ones who could offer some knowledge to you about this project.

Did you last mentioned that I am giving you personal attack ? Which of my post is a personal attack ? I am just giving my own opinions and tried to prevent from everyone here from being victims in case this is a scam.

In your post #14 on May 1, you mentioned those 4 outlets they are going to open.

Can I ask you are they CONFIRMED ? I go Times Square nearly every week. No signs of any new Cafe opening soon or under renovations since May 1.

My friend who frequents Sunway Pyramid everyday just told me there is no signs of that Steven Tea Corner having any renovation work. Maybe they just have a mutual understanding with the Sunway Complex Management to "test the water".

Use some common sense, siliCon.

If the construction contractors got doubts then they would not want to commence the works.

They are not like those days, rushing to your office the moment you have jobs for them.

They want to see the real money first.

In fact, they are the ones who could offer some knowledge to you about this project.

seriously....there are tonnes of critical thinking entreprenerus or entreprenerus to be in this thread....but seriously ...this reply really impressed me alot. not siding anyone and being a neutral...even others think that it is common sense... sky, you are great. Even your reply may be proven wrong but despite the result, this is the way one should be.

Just curious how come u're so active in promoting this scheme?
U bought alot voucher/membership pack eh 
btw i still prefer having cup of milo ice kaw with cheese naan at the oug main shop

Hey, I think you are not honest in your messages. You are just twisting, pretending and did not give me a straight answer.
I asked you 2 things:
1) Those 4 places you mentioned: Times Square, Mid-Valley, Sunway Pyramid and Genting; whether they are confirmed or have work started ? You could not reply. Now, I ask you one more time, give us the Unit numbers of these 4 placesunway Pyramid, ALL 4. Ask your Steven Corner management for it. I am sure they have a unit number if confirmed. I can bet to my last dollar the most they have rented is 1 or 2, not all 4. Or maybe none. For your info, I can give a small earnest deposit and start to make up a picture and the rest can drag on. You mentioned those 4 places in May 1. After one and half month, only can see that ?

2) I asked you all those pictures you put up earlier are artist impressions or real ? You never give a reply. You keep insisting the last 2 pictures are real. So what ? That don't prove anything. There is no work done yet. Why do you use those earlier pictures ?? To lure us ? That shows your Steven Corner Management is not so honest and you are following them.

Do you know that so many other Companies in the past used the same tricks, even more impressive projects and finally, the Company just run away and put the blame on the government or the public.
What I am trying to tell you and everyone is:

Why would you still want to promote for a Company to collect investment monies when knowing very well they are not so honest ? Not honest because of points 1) and 2) above.

i guess it is pointless for me to entertain you for those questions....if your serious enough come see me face to face in STG for all the above answers and pls bring some lawyers as well..i guess you won't be wasting your time to visit as you most probably think it is all scam..even the Steven's boss can be clone and even all the office chair and rooms are rented..and even the ppl working there also are hire to act also...your so smart go chk it out yourself la..always asking for answer to make more questions for yourself and those reading the thread...even your Id in the thread suit you so...For those who are seriously to know more...go buy Corporate Journey June issue and please read 1st then come see me if interest but if not then just forget it. Lastly, i'll answer ppl who are interest and not you Chatwarrior...i won;t give you answer that you ask as i guess this is a forum and an open discussion,,well i can put whatever i like if the moderator is ok with it...and for others, you can always ask here,PM,SMS, call, see me...and i can assure you all questions above will be answered...

You have acted perfectly all this while.

Then, today your mode change.

Actually , you are a very good sales person ( my personal view ).

From the beginning....lol...At least We learned...

Well, i do smells MLM/Scams from the way the protector of this scheme replies.

It really does sounds Lampe Berge or any other stuffs...
There are questions, why can't you just provide the answer if you want people to be confident in this scheme?
Instead, you said, 'call up XXX' or 'come our office la' or 'do ur own research la'

Hmm, you are here to promote a legitimate investment, you don't answer people that way. You are here to promote a scam, you need to drag people to your office to be brainwashed. And that is almost always the truth.

The questions, real photo? Unit numbers? Those ain't hard right? Not like it is a super duper difficult maths question where even Harvard Grad can't answer

That is only the Sunway Pyramid units. What about the Times Square, Mid-Valley and Genting ones you mentioned since May 1st ?
My friend close to Times Square told me Steven Corner has NO rental with them DEFINITELY. I wonder why the lie from your Company in the first place. And I still doubt if there is any in Genting or Mid-Valley.

And the fact that Sunway Pyramid unit has not opened yet since you mentioned them as early as My 1st with drawings done all seems suspiciously.

One thing is SURE. And that is the Steven Corner is not so honest, they sell the dream first and collect members money to start those cafes. Since response have been not so encouraging, everything slowed or not in effect.even

I still remember the Steven Corner case with the Bandar Raya. When they are not allowed to place their seats along the main road anymore, they reported that the Bandar Raya has been collecting "too much kopi money" from them in the past in order to allow them to use the road. It was such a big issue. Since their business dropped, they come out with this MLM idea with some Chinese. Lets see when will the Bank Negara and Securities Commission Dept go after them.

Oh..... snakes are always snakes. They bite with poison.

Now i need to standby 2 persons Food Vouchers.....Dine on me..the Curry fish head or tandoori Chicken taste good....

This is going to be long and take some of your time but reading this thread is much easier than creating it. So I hope you can spare this little time to finish reading it. Please caution your family members and friends before they become victims.
I hope you will read to the end for your own benefits and protection. I will come back regularly to update it but I hope some of you can help by contributing. Date of last update will be stated in my topic title.
I have even seen a family of parents and their children getting involved together in a scam. Such that you will not feel suspiscious until you could not recover your money back and realise it too late.
Please note that my message here is NOT meant to support or go against MLM or direct-selling business.
Personally, I have a few friends who used to tell me that they will never be cheated because they are not greedy, they don't believe in MLM or network marketing or they have no money. Yet they lost their money because they have been greedy or because they trusted their friends wrongly. In most cases, those who introduced their friends to get involved into such businesses or investments or got their friends into losing monies will never admit they did it on purpose. They will give the excuses that they are victims too.

I know a quite similar thread have existed before but I could not find it now. Hopefully someone can retrieve it back so that I can "copy" some useful information.

These information are meant for you to know and warn your family members and loved ones before they become victims.

"People got victimised by scams because they don't know about it and they don't know about it because those who knew about it did not share it"

Here are some hot scams in Malaysia, briefly, (I will elaborate more weekly):

1) The Cafe Scams - Island Red Cafe & Stevens Corner(strange, both in Pandan Indah) - Island Red Cafe collects members RM6,000 each and promised 5% return every month and even give you a name in the ROC as a shareholder but what's the point when they run away ? Stevens Corner, the famous indian coffee shop follows due to drop of business since their renovation. They collect RM3,000 per member and promise return of RM150 monthly and plans to open nice fanchisee cafe called StevensTeaGarden but so far all drawings and no new outlet yet. Both collect monies from new members with MLM recruitment schemes and pay the old members like Sunshine Empire. You never know when they will run away. Apparently, Stevens' takeoff have not been so successful.
2) Sunshine Empire - This licensed and legal Company has an impressive office at the ground level of KUB building along Jalan Yap Kwan Seng, near Menara Public Bank and AmBank Building. They also have a showroom office at the ground level in the next building. 2 or 3 months ago, Singapore's Straits Times and The Paper published big news reminding their people to be careful and NOT to believe in them. Hope someone can put up the link or google for it.

Someone below has put a link to the Singapore news. In fact there are more to it. Although Singapore is investigating them, they did not stop their business as the business is legal and so far, no Singaporean have failed to receive their commissions as promised. Thus, the government cannot stop them yet.

The news published that the founder, director and group president is someone named James Phang but he is NOT the owner. Isn't this quite strange ? At the end of the game, James Phang can just disappear from the Company easily and claimed that he was just "employed". Such trick always happened in scam businesses.

Now, the Company has STOPPED paying commissions and interests to members with the excuse that the Singapore government has freezed their bank account while under investigation. Do you think their boss will be so stupid to keep much monies in the bank to be freezed ? They are all transfered away. It's just an excuses not to pay back to members and members are only paid "e-bonus-points" which is cashless. If they wish to convert to cash, they have to recruit new members to pay them cash and the recruiter less out trom the amount. So victims act like Vampires and "forced" to victimise other victims if they wish to get their monies back. And their victims will later transform to vampires and the scam carries on.....

3) Water businesses - Oxygenated and alkaline water products - Some of these are bottled water and some are filters or equipment that claimed the trick. One of the better known Company that sold "oxygen" water is SITO(supposed to stand for Selangor International Trading Organiszation and claimed Selangor State Government owned some share in it). The key person and founder is a Dato Robert Ong from Rawang but his name is no longer in the business now. Their products are sold for RM2 to RM3 for a 350ml bottle and now concentrating mostly in the Indian market. Their Chinese and Malays market are long gone since a year or 2 ago. Their customers are made to believe that their water has more oxygen and able to give miraculous effects for the body. Water is H2O, how to put more O into it ? Anyone knows how much oxygen do we breathe into our body everyday at FOC ? Latest news is that this SITO Company is going to create new label to market under a new Company since the SITO name has already gone bad. Someone informed that this Company is owing alot of money(due to refunds) to ex-stockists but just refuse to pay them.
Alkaline Products - Can anyone explain how it can work for the body ? The stomach's gastric liquid is so acidic that  water of any pH that goes through it will not make any difference.

4) Car Fuel Booster - K-Link, the famous scam MLM Company that sold the footpatch TAKARA, later the "cock-ring" and energy-card launched the patrol-saving pills last year. Got so hot that even grocery shops are selling for them. Recently many of these cars that used the pills are rushing to the workshops to clean the residual. Few months ago, another MLM Company launched a fuel booster gadget, claimed that saves up to 20% fuel, that is attached to the cigarette lighter. Started off well using binary plan but businese begin to fade now and most users find it NOT effective.

5) Perfumery Products(eg. Lampe Berger & Bel Air)(more details later). Lampe Berger is not so hot now in the neighbouring countries but there are still new victims every month in Malaysia. Must thanks to those who have contributed and kept the thread alive here in Kopitiam. Bel-Air have closed in Malaysia. LB is almost zero in Singapore. This perfumery product from France with over 100 years history is just bottles and fragrance(check the factory's website) but the Company marketing them in Asia claimed "aromatheraphy" products. Hong Kong TVB aired a program that exposed their scam but their members claimed that HK's TVB already apologised to them. Note that the biggest strenght in a MLM Scam is their members will go all way out to lie in order to defend for their Company. The reason is simple; these members fear that they will not be able to make their money back if the Company collapsed. Knowing that the Lampe Berger products are moving slow, they add a line of skincare products named Estebel, also claime to have over 100 years history in France.

6) Energy Products(eg. stone pendants, bracelets, mattress and pillows). They use all sorts of gimmicks and demonstration to make you into believing them. They will do some tricks and demo to prove that these products really produce energy BUT is there any tricks in their demo ? So what if there really produce energy; is it good or strong enough to help the body ?(more details later)

7) Hi-Tech products(names like bio-tech, nano-tech that claimed millions of dollars of research involved, eg Bio-Young and XKL few years ago). Most of these will claimed a professor behind them(even with name and picture of a person) or used words like "U.S.A. formula", "German Technology" or "Nanotechnology" and no further details(more details later). If you ask for more details like the professor or factory's address, the answer will be "trade secrets".

8) Investment Schemes - SWISSCASH is the King of all. Swisscash is nearly over now but there are many similar and smaller ones that are still on.

9) GoldQuest - This Company that claimed to be HK-based started with some non-value gold-plated coins that are sold for over RM2,000 have several names and changed products several times. QuestVacation, QuestNet, etc. They have several offices in Amcorp Mall, PJ and their key person(in fact, the owner), a Malaysian Indian was arrested last year in Indonesia for having involved in a very big Phillipines scam. Most of their overseas offices are closed or inactive but their Malaysia business is still hot, with some "energy" products.

10) Numerology & Fortune telling - A Company named Visible is using MLM to sell fortune telling classes using your birthday based on Numerology fortune telling. Prpspects will be told that they need to buy a certain "number" between 1 to 9 in the form of pendants or bracelets made of stainless steel and sold from RM600 to RM20,000. Customers, or rather victims are mostly females from rural areas. Very hot in Penang now and a number of spin-off Companies have started.

11) MJ-Life - This Company boost of a very big background with many many years of history which is NOT true. Their people or associates may be long in business but nothing to do with their MLM launched recently. Why do I consider it a scam or bad ? New members are told to pay a sum of money(up to RM1000) and you get NOTHING for it. You only get a membership can entitle you to enjoy all sorts of special price and discounts when you have medical check-ups in their centres. They will claim all those check-ups cost more if done elsewhere. It's not true. Only the naive and those new to medical check-ups will fall victims to them. Most members who paid the money ended up with nothing.

12) Seaweed Venture Scams - 1 such Company is located in Taman Maluri, Cheras. They will ask you to invest a few thousands ringgits for their venture of growing seaweeds in East Malaysia and you are guaranteed returns. To gain your confidence further, they will tell you your investment money is secured by "insurance" or "unit trusts" & "trustees". When you ask for further documents to prove, they will give all sorts of excuses or just ignore you because they know they cannot get you. These Seaweed scam is one of the hottest now, warn all your friends about it before they are victimised.

13) MXM(previously MGM) - This is a master scam among the younger group, very successful 2 or 3 years ago but since there moved to their big 10-storey office at Phileo Damansara and changed name to MXM, their business dropped. They collect members RM3,000 to RM4,000 with credit card monthly easy payment and in return you get a hospital benefits insurance from Pacific Insurance worth only a few hundred RMs together with some you-don't-need medical check-ups from their associate Company Pathlab. Also talk about fitness, lifestyles bullshit that is all worthless.

14) Gano Excel - This company from the north, a copycat of DXN selling Lingzhi capsules created a new Company called Gano iTouch to cash-in on the internet like e-Cosway after their Company went down the drain since the last 2 years, selling Linzhi and some no-value energy pendants and alkaline water gadgets. They provide free transport every weekend from KL to visit their Alor Star office.

15) NuLife(HK) - This Company started by some HK people has been in Malaysia for more than 10 years but they have flopped in HK and Malaysia due to bad management and a product scam making use of a prosecuted American named Dr Jeffrey Bland, found guilty of false products claim. Since this case in the US leaked out and many Malaysians found out that the real boss in HK is a Steven Tang(he cheated many Malaysians in another scheme about 20 years ago) their business went down all the way. Now they claim Malaysian partners cheated them and start a new Company in Malaysia. Watch out, this new Company will come out with some investment scheme idea that will get many to lose their money.

Lastly but not least, thank you for reading to the end and I hope you can come back for more details and updates or help to contribute for me to update. I hope to receive information of any scams so that I can share them here to protect others. Although most of those above-mentioned are marketed through direct-selling or MLM schemes, I will soon add non-MLM scams. Please contribute.

If you wish to send me any new information confidentially, you may email them to me at:

stopscams007@gmail.com

Good Luck.

PS. Please pass this link to your friends if you find it helpful and thank you to those who contributed or e-mailed me with informations.

Do remember that SCAMs continue to exist mainly because they can survive due to available VICTIMS and VICTIMS exist because many of those who knew about the SCAMs did not warn others about it.

lol...no thx dude.....i dined at steven as well...at least it's a better place than BRj....which standard has drop like XXXXX...suan le bah...  anyway....eh.....i found a topic in Kopitiam....No offence...Not posted by me...but it is somehow related to this topic.... well...the link is here...

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/615194
well...interesting yea?

You really know how to twist and turn. You are the one who claimed Times Square, Mid-Valley and Genting since May 1st and you ask me whether I asked them ?? Oh yea, under NEGOTIOTIONS, then. Then say so in your earlier post.

Now you are pretending to misunderstood me ? Your RM1.3 Million is based on those 400+ innocent ppl who paid RM3,000 each. I refer to those real customers who went there in eat and drink. I go to Pandan Indah often. Since Bandar Raya don't allow them to place the seats outside, their business is no longer like before. According to my friend, their business dropped terribly and when they see Island Red Cafe used recruitment scheme of RM6,000 and worked they came out with the idea of RM3,000.

Very soon, they will have no genuine customers when people know that they are running such a scheme. So only left with people there to spend their vouchers and prepaid RM3,000. I will not want to be seen there and misunderstood as one of those involved. Don't tarnish my image.

Wow, you really talk like those MLM SCAMMER;

a) When someone smell scam, you said "time will tell all...". In other words, only believe in a scam when they closed shop or run away ? If everyone think like you, more victims will fall into scam la.

b) "eat and get paid" ?? It's "prepaid and eat". Change history, true.  Why will anyone be so stupid to pay RM3,000 in advance and eat later ?

The way you write showed you are not so honest.

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Added on June 21, 2008, 11:57 am
Again, you twist and turn or lied. When did I rely on my friend to to mention Steven Corner's business drop ?
I mentioned I saw it in Pandan Indah personally. Anyone who been their customer more than I year ago know that their business now is  no longer the same. Previously, they have another 2 rows of tables all along the road right up 3 rows of shops. Now no more.

I mentioned my friend told me about Times Square only. Oh yea, you mention Times Square under negotiation huh ?
That is EXACTLY how Sunshine Empire and all other scam projects reply when they are exposed.

Later you tell us your Company negotiating to take over the management of all restaurants in Sunway Resort, Genting, Hilton, Westin & LeMeridian too and all your members can eat there for 75% discount and you expect us to believe you, ya ?

Wake up and be honest !!

Will you support another local Brand F&B chainstore? This is the brand new look from Steven's Corner. A Class above..wow! Just got to know from a friend of mind that they are open for membership to 'Get paid when you Eat'

Money Games Again !!!

Money Games? you know Money Game? can tell us how it works?? pls..thks