Sony-Ericsson ★ Sony Ericsson K850i 5MP Cybershot(tm) -V3- Threa, It's not all about Megapixels!
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 May 3 2008, 11:14 AM
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wow.. well explanation on brand/lens/algorithm
  erm...everyone has their own choice, but some they just always like do comparison/declare own is da best, if the product can't reach your requirement ain't it mean to others too  no offense.... but meet up own feeling good, overall usage & budget will do. |
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May 3 2008, 12:09 PM
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K850i | Full Auto
Rare Beef Bovril - Bought in South Africa  [/URL]Random Shot showing how K850i can do macro without needing to change to macro mode. All SE Cybershots seem to be able to do this.  |
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May 3 2008, 02:22 PM
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  macro mode without flash, auto white balacing   non macro, full auto » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « fine lightings, macro, no flash...  This post has been edited by Redundant: May 3 2008, 02:27 PM |
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May 3 2008, 03:09 PM
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Hi guys, can anyone tell me their CDA code (ori in malaysia) that will enable me to update my phone via SEUS? I'm gonna reflash my phone with kk soon and need the CDA code to continue updating my phone next time, pls and tq everyone.
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May 3 2008, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Ver @ May 3 2008, 03:09 PM) Hi guys, can anyone tell me their CDA code (ori in malaysia) that will enable me to update my phone via SEUS? I'm gonna reflash my phone with kk soon and need the CDA code to continue updating my phone next time, pls and tq everyone. 1201-6664 Hong Kong  1201-0176 Asian Pacific |
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May 3 2008, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ May 3 2008, 09:21 AM) Totaly agree. K800 and K810 can produce better images in many situation with a modded cam driver. Ohh...so if the normal K810 or 800 which havent modded also lose to K850 for the image which produce?Its depends on skill to right?But modded cam driver is unofficial?Will not have big difference for normal user is quite subjective. But if you want a whip out point and shoot camera, I think N series will serve you better. Why, cause N series image processor uses high noise reduction. If you zoom up to 100%, then you will notice the picture appears soft and lots of details are lost, but if you just want to store in 1024x768 res, then you won't notice any difference. The good thing about 5mp over 3mp is that 5mp picture will show less noise compared to 3mp if both are resized to 1024x768 simple because the amount of noise is rough the same at 100%, but when resized, for any area of the pic, 5mp pics will have more good dots compared to noise dots when compare with a 3mp pic. N series also makes the picture look more vibrant. But not so natural. In most cases, end users will like it more. I choose k850i cause it give me more natural colors and when I want to edit it in photoshop it is easier. If the camera is not your main factor in making the decision, I believe all the 5mp are in about the same league. Not much difference. If you really don't need the pixels, K810 might be a better choice. So after i modded the warranty will void? Wow...the picture took at last few post really nice...the K850 before mod also can produce such nice picture...if after modded thn will unbelievable~  THANKS for ALL Profesien to help to so much...nice guyz~ |
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May 3 2008, 08:50 PM
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QUOTE(skylancer @ May 3 2008, 08:11 PM) Ohh...so if the normal K810 or 800 which havent modded also lose to K850 for the image which produce?Its depends on skill to right?But modded cam driver is unofficial? modding the cam drivers will definitely void your warranty. u gotta reflash it back to original drivers before sending it back. AFAIK, K850i's driver can't be modded yet. i mean it doesn't need to be modded anyway, it still produce great overall photos. So after i modded the warranty will void? Wow...the picture took at last few post really nice...the K850 before mod also can produce such nice picture...if after modded thn will unbelievable~ THANKS for ALL Profesien to help to so much...nice guyz~  |
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May 3 2008, 10:22 PM
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Just update my phone via KK guys, finally done, tension and stress over a while for the 8 euros >< Media is running smoothly now and finally i'm in rest worrying bout any BROD problems...
P.S. - SUPER THANKS TO IRONTECH for helping out in the flashing process o ^^ This post has been edited by Ver: May 3 2008, 10:30 PM |
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May 3 2008, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(Ver @ May 3 2008, 10:22 PM) Just update my phone via KK guys, finally done, tension and stress over a while for the 8 euros >< Media is running smoothly now and finally i'm in rest worrying bout any BROD problems... now u realize the real performance  |
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May 3 2008, 10:34 PM
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The phone has way more potential than it has now, I *sony erricson* my phone.
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May 3 2008, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(Ver @ May 3 2008, 10:34 PM) The phone has way more potential than it has now, I *sony erricson* my phone. Good that you finally believed in the K850 now  |
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May 3 2008, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(skylancer @ May 3 2008, 08:11 PM) Ohh...so if the normal K810 or 800 which havent modded also lose to K850 for the image which produce?Its depends on skill to right?But modded cam driver is unofficial? I haven't really used K810 or k800 before. Just seen pics posted on the net. But the picture quality seems on par with K850. I have used k800's sister model k790 and I can say that picture quality is about the same as k850i. K850i wins in macro, document and daylight pics. But K790 qas very good at night pics both with flash and without. I think K850 still can improve alot on the night photos.So after i modded the warranty will void? Wow...the picture took at last few post really nice...the K850 before mod also can produce such nice picture...if after modded thn will unbelievable~ THANKS for ALL Profesien to help to so much...nice guyz~ As far as skill goes, it only relates to your photo composition, picture quality wise you can't do much regardless what skill you have. Maybe you can set the ISO and AE for less blurry picture or avoid overexposure, that is about it. This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 3 2008, 11:22 PM |
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May 3 2008, 11:35 PM
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i hav been used K800 for few months last time, n my fren using K850 now,
based on my wat i hav tried, night pict taken by K800 still better than taken by K850. |
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May 4 2008, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ May 3 2008, 12:15 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «  |
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May 4 2008, 03:52 AM
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ May 3 2008, 03:37 AM) Erm, lazy to explain la, wiki up purple fringing lens flare and chromatic abberation. However for lens flare, it depends whether you like it or not. Sometime the lens flare will get in the way of you picture if you don't want it. I-mobile 902 has serious lens flare, the one and only downside of its camera, but I like the lens flare. Looks cool. The new firmware you mention that is the lastest firmware where can download at the SE official website? In conclusion you wouldn't want chromatic abbreviation nor purple fringing. And which is more good, well you have to snap some pics and decide for yourself. I can't stand the purple fringing in K850i, luckily when I got the new firmware, I think SE tweaked the imaged processing cause I don't see any purple fringing anymore. Some people can live with it. So depends lo. I'm not so sure which term is right, chromatic abbreviation or aberration. |
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May 4 2008, 03:53 AM
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wah... really nice qouted.
But that statement is true at all bcos we cant compare phone cam wif digi cam quality. if phone manufacturers wan to apply all of tat, of course it will increase their cost n they will lose sell bcos charged customers in high price. This post has been edited by khun_khun: May 4 2008, 03:57 AM |
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May 4 2008, 06:16 AM
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QUOTE(carbon14 @ May 4 2008, 01:40 AM) I concur with this statement. And yes Cybershot isn't a technology its a brand. That goes along with Carl-Zeiss too. A branding war and us consumers caught in the crossfire. QUOTE(khun_khun @ May 4 2008, 03:53 AM) wah... really nice qouted. agrees with it too. many users actually doesn't know that. that's why digital camera always produce nicer photos thought the MP might be the same. there's difference in lens, imaging processor etc.But that statement is true at all bcos we cant compare phone cam wif digi cam quality. if phone manufacturers wan to apply all of tat, of course it will increase their cost n they will lose sell bcos charged customers in high price. |
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May 4 2008, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(teikwing @ May 4 2008, 06:16 AM) agrees with it too. many users actually doesn't know that. that's why digital camera always produce nicer photos thought the MP might be the same. there's difference in lens, imaging processor etc. it's also becoz handphones are using the low power consumption CMOS sensors while digicam usually use the better CCD sensors rite?CCDs are larger in size and weight too =/ |
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May 4 2008, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(skylancer @ May 4 2008, 03:52 AM) The new firmware you mention that is the lastest firmware where can download at the SE official website? Yep, the lastest firmware I am talking about is R1EA031 download using SE update utility.QUOTE(Redundant @ May 4 2008, 10:22 AM) it's also becoz handphones are using the low power consumption CMOS sensors while digicam usually use the better CCD sensors rite? Quite true I guess. That is why I-Mobile 902 and 902sh can take such good pics. Both uses CCD sensors and not CMOS.CCDs are larger in size and weight too =/ I don't really think the power consumption is alot more for CCD compared to CMOS. My former I Mobile 902 lasted quite sometime even with heavy picture taking. As for price, I Mobile sets were going for 700+ for a brand new one, that one CCD sensor, even if it was more expensive, it wouldn't have doubled the cost of production. Furthermore, CMOS sensors are used in many scanners and other high tech equipment and produce good results. So I think it is more of an excuse given by manufacturer to justify the components used in their products. If SE phone cams were as good as their normal digicams, then consumers wouldn't buy the digicams as most people don't need the extra megapixels. Manufacturers would rather have people get a SE phone, be happy with the Cybershot brand and hopefully get a Cybershot digicam, double business. |
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May 4 2008, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ May 4 2008, 12:51 PM) Yep, the lastest firmware I am talking about is R1EA031 download using SE update utility. They can, but they wouldn't waste the technology inside handphones, which spoils more easily compared to a digicam, spoil the handphone, and there goes the digicam inside too >< Plus the market selling scheme...Quite true I guess. That is why I-Mobile 902 and 902sh can take such good pics. Both uses CCD sensors and not CMOS. I don't really think the power consumption is alot more for CCD compared to CMOS. My former I Mobile 902 lasted quite sometime even with heavy picture taking. As for price, I Mobile sets were going for 700+ for a brand new one, that one CCD sensor, even if it was more expensive, it wouldn't have doubled the cost of production. Furthermore, CMOS sensors are used in many scanners and other high tech equipment and produce good results. So I think it is more of an excuse given by manufacturer to justify the components used in their products. If SE phone cams were as good as their normal digicams, then consumers wouldn't buy the digicams as most people don't need the extra megapixels. Manufacturers would rather have people get a SE phone, be happy with the Cybershot brand and hopefully get a Cybershot digicam, double business. |
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