It was answered. Probably you can't find the ISO setting because your firmware has a camera driver that doesn't include manual ISO setting.

K850i | Macro Mode with image stabilizer | Spot AEM



This post has been edited by mumeichan: Apr 17 2008, 12:24 PM

I'm using R1EA031 and I'm not suffering from any problem except that flash sync for object more than 1m is out.

Nope AP set. Thailand region I think. Not sure which AP company.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: Apr 25 2008, 07:10 PM

How do I set a particular picture in a folder to be the album art for all the tracks contained within the folder?

K850i max transfer rate is rated at 3.6Mbps, normal 3G is only 384Kbps right?

Take a few sample shots of the scene you want to shoot, resize to 640x480 and post it here. Then we can see what might work for the pic. There is no one rule that works for all. Kind of subjective, you might want an effect that we might not want. One of the reasons I choose K850i is because it allows greater manual control over the camera settings, most importantly, ISO and AE Bias.

k850i records at QVGA, 340x280 at 30fps. The video quality is comparable to Nokia phone expect that Nokia can record up to VGA.

As for the screen, I haven't got a chance to compare it with N82 or N95, but it certainly beats n80 and n73 hands down. Even k800 beats N80 and n73. Legibility under sunlight is great, but a few lower end Nokia's do better in this aspect. Nokia is perfected their sunlight legibility on some models I heard. As for viewing angle, my k850i serves me well up to 170 degrees. Go to the shop and see for yourself.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 2 2008, 07:36 PM

Nope, depends on your luck. I have an AP set, no problem whatsoever.

One thing to note is that most problems for K850i is firmware related. So depends on your luck what firmware you get. I have the firmware for Thailand sets and am pretty happy with it except for the flash sync problem. And I guarantee the flash sync problem is really a sync problem and not that it is weaker than other flashes. If I use the three LED to illuminate a subject and use another camera at high speed to capture the scene it will produce good results. The flash is wayyyyy brighter than the 3 leds so it all boils down to sync and hopefully SE will fix it.

K850i is the first Cybershot to be able to record at 30fps. Got only a few SE models that can go up to 30 FPS, check gsmarena for specs of each phone.

Any new updates on R1EA037 firmware. Still considering whether to upgrade or not. Most importantly, does it fix the flash sync problem?

K850i doesn't use Cybershot technology. There is no such thing as Cybershot technology. Cybershot is just the brand name for Sony's camera. The only similarity SE Cybershot phones share with Sony's Cybershot Camera's are the Best Pic feature. Other than that, focusing, AE metering, color balance, etc etc algorithms are all device specific. Developers may get tips from Sony's Cybershot dept but they certainly need to come out with their own alogrithms simply because the hardware is so different.

Same goes for Carl Zeiss. Carl Zeiss is just a brand. The lens on Nokia phones are of much worse quality compared to Carl Zeiss Lens made for SLR cameras. As far as lens goes, SE used some pretty bad lens on K850i which cause mild purple fringing. Previous SE Cybershots didn't suffer from this. However, Nokia's Carl Zeiss on N73 suffered from mild chromatic abbreviation and lens flare.

Third is sensor. Not much info on the sensors used in Nokia and SE phones so can't make comparison. Noise levels seem similar.

Fourth is image processors. All Nokias suffer from over saturation, enhanced reds, and over noise reduction. SE does quite well in this dept.

Then there are the Camera's internal algorithms that decides exposure, ISO, shutter speed. SE and Nokia does equally well with the exception of N73 which uses a mechanical shutter. Got abit of pro and cons when it comes to capturing moving objects.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 3 2008, 12:25 AM

Erm, lazy to explain la, wiki up purple fringing lens flare and chromatic abberation. However for lens flare, it depends whether you like it or not. Sometime the lens flare will get in the way of you picture if you don't want it. I-mobile 902 has serious lens flare, the one and only downside of its camera, but I like the lens flare. Looks cool.

In conclusion you wouldn't want chromatic abbreviation nor purple fringing. And which is more good, well you have to snap some pics and decide for yourself. I can't stand the purple fringing in K850i, luckily when I got the new firmware, I think SE tweaked the imaged processing cause I don't see any purple fringing anymore. Some people can live with it. So depends lo.

I'm not so sure which term is right, chromatic abbreviation or aberration.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 3 2008, 03:42 AM

Totaly agree. K800 and K810 can produce better images in many situation with a modded cam driver.

Will not have big difference for normal user is quite subjective. But if you want a whip out point and shoot camera, I think N series will serve you better. Why, cause N series image processor uses high noise reduction. If you zoom up to 100%, then you will notice the picture appears soft and lots of details are lost, but if you just want to store in 1024x768 res, then you won't notice any difference. The good thing about 5mp over 3mp is that 5mp picture will show less noise compared to 3mp if both are resized to 1024x768 simple because the amount of noise is rough the same at 100%, but when resized, for any area of the pic, 5mp pics will have more good dots compared to noise dots when compare with a 3mp pic. N series also makes the picture look more vibrant. But not so natural. In most cases, end users will like it more.

I choose k850i cause it give me more natural colors and when I want to edit it in photoshop it is easier.

If the camera is not your main factor in making the decision, I believe all the 5mp are in about the same league. Not much difference.

If you really don't need the pixels, K810 might be a better choice.

K850i | Full Auto

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Random Shot showing how K850i can do macro without needing to change to macro mode. All SE Cybershots seem to be able to do this.

I haven't really used K810 or k800 before. Just seen pics posted on the net. But the picture quality seems on par with K850. I have used k800's sister model k790 and I can say that picture quality is about the same as k850i. K850i wins in macro, document and daylight pics. But K790 qas very good at night pics both with flash and without. I think K850 still can improve alot on the night photos.

As far as skill goes, it only relates to your photo composition, picture quality wise you can't do much regardless what skill you have. Maybe you can set the ISO and AE for less blurry picture or avoid overexposure, that is about it.

This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 3 2008, 11:22 PM

Yep, the lastest firmware I am talking about is R1EA031 download using SE update utility.

Quite true I guess. That is why I-Mobile 902 and 902sh can take such good pics. Both uses CCD sensors and not CMOS.

I don't really think the power consumption is alot more for CCD compared to CMOS. My former I Mobile 902 lasted quite sometime even with heavy picture taking. As for price, I Mobile sets were going for 700+ for a brand new one, that one CCD sensor, even if it was more expensive, it wouldn't have doubled the cost of production. Furthermore, CMOS sensors are used in many scanners and other high tech equipment and produce good results. So I think it is more of an excuse given by manufacturer to justify the components used in their products. If SE phone cams were as good as their normal digicams, then consumers wouldn't buy the digicams as most people don't need the extra megapixels. Manufacturers would rather have people get a SE phone, be happy with the Cybershot brand and hopefully get a Cybershot digicam, double business.

This is superb. Can match K800 flash. What firmware are you using? Mine can never get anything close to that.

Where did you get Sandisk 4GB (microSD I presume) for 65?

K850i | Beach | Potrait Mode


Finally got the flash working. Full Auto with flash on and auto-fucos assist light


K850i | Beach | Macro


This post has been edited by mumeichan: May 27 2008, 11:38 AM