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voncrane
post Dec 18 2017, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(?ndc?s?ve @ Dec 18 2017, 06:13 PM)
Anyone knows which bank or even agent that does ASB/ASB2 loan without takaful? Thanks! 🙏🏻
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Try going back a few pages. There are a few agents in here... Then there's "Haziqnet", he's kinda the resident loan fella in this thread. PM him or others and decide who/what to roll with.
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post Jan 3 2018, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jan 3 2018, 02:56 PM)
I applied and got 4.8% rate today.

Good rate?
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I guess... Lowest so far I think is 4.75%
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post Jan 3 2018, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jan 3 2018, 03:39 PM)
Is 4.75 the lowest ever or only lowest in the recent year?
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Recently? Yes. Lowest ever? No idea.. I do know it used to be above 5% till recently.
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post Jan 31 2018, 05:44 PM

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Hate to be the bearer of gloomy news. I just think it's only fair, being a realist to highlight the other side of things to future folks...not to be swayed so much and jump in blindly. What buggie has accomplished with the system is great and all...It's always nice to hear one take advantage of a system. Alas, it's in the past and as with all investments.. One must look towards the future to plan accordingly and not live on mere hype or belief system from the past. Up until recently, simply to get some folks to sign up (ala commission, goodwill, etc..), people were being told it's okay to roll their dividends and use it to pay back the loan..In the end, banks never lose. Sure, you'll still get something than nothing in the end. But do not expect similar results. Especially as:
*The ringgit was much stronger back then.
*Cost of living was significantly lower.
*ASB dividends were almost double what they are today and dropping. Last year's returns, they had to be creative with numbers to appear good. Read into that what you may.
*400K limit vs 200K today. Sure you can workaround this by using family members. Be careful as you are basically entrusting your money to someone else.
*Toss in the recent hike in loan interest rates cuz as the economists say "the economy is booming".

ASB Dividends History
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ASB2 Dividends History
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ASW 2020 Dividends History
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Summary: His technique worked for then.. Right time, right moves.. Do NOT assume such will work for this time. Keep your eyes and ears open for other opportunities and as he said.. Be disciplined, move cash around and let it grow. Finally, don't kiasu until you forget to live. You are only young once and when older, you do not want to feel like you missed out on key experiences cuz you were being to calculative. We remain humans with physical limitations.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 31 2018, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(buggie @ Jan 31 2018, 06:39 PM)
There should always be a realist. Keeps things real yeah?

The route I took is real....and more importantly, still relevant. Thanks voncrane for putting up the table of historical dividends. First thing everyone should do is ignore the total dividends column because the 'bonus' dividends are insignificant if you know how they calculate it. Learn how to look past the window dressing. So just look at the dividends column. You would see that in 2001 and 2017 is the same dividend... 7%. Yeah sure it went up and down thru the years but no drastic changes there. So... What I did is still applicable and relevant in this era... About the 400k limit? Like I said... Just adjust slightly. In fact the landscape is better now than during my time. For 10 years I was limited by the 200k limit. Nowadays you guys have 400k if you count ASB2. If I had ASB2 in my days, I'd be 2M up now instead of 1M only. So consider yourselves the younger generation luckier than me. I'm so envious. You guys get to be 400k up instantly. I had to wait 10 years... Sigh... Plus, the banks interest was higher then. We were looking at upwards of 6% then. Not like 4-5% these days

And yeah voncrane is right also to say that don't kiasu and should enjoy when young. By all means... Everyone should enjoy life. But just keep one eye on your old age as everyone will eventually get there and your power to earn income diminishes significantly. So find a balance. Like I said in earlier post... If you're a salary earner like me that wasn't born with a silver spoon, work smart and hard to move up the ladder... Soon asb payments are just a small chunk of your salary that you also tak rasa. The rest of your income you go and do what you wanna do la. But if you're a rich kid who is waiting for your dad's inheritance, disregard all these posts as your strategy should be different.. Lol

What I have laid out and shared here is only a small part of my entire life... Lol... The ASB part as this is the ASB loan forum. There are actually better ways to earn more money. Some more risky, others require a high capital. Nothing ventured nothing gained. But that's for a different discussion thread.

Lastly... Try not to be a pessimist. Not a good way to live life. Things may look bad now but equally, things can also get better in the future. Who knows next general election BN kalah (seriously doubt this lol) and ASB naik to 10%? Who knows la kan? All we can do is be ready when that situation happens. Voncrane is right in that different strokes for different folks. Is all about opening doors when opportunity knocks.
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Sure, I want the nation to succeed to RM1 = $£ even.. If can realize more divided within the next 5 years to constant double digits.. Be even happier cuz make more money and the money is actually worth it. Imagine having to buy say the latest iPhone for RM1K..Yeah, that's my dream for Malaysia. I'm no uncle yet, I tossed in the part about living because I know a few uncles and aunties who have a ton of money but no adequate health or desires to spend it on experiences. Cuz in the end, that's what truly matters as one ages. Not a Bugatti Chiron.. Well, a Lambo is okay.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(faizfizy39 @ Jan 31 2018, 06:42 PM)
Thanks for the heads up. A wise advice indeed.

As a typical Gen Y, I may simply blame government for the "bad timing" where I can no longer enjoy the good old dividend rate and also just simply buy a any house low and sell high after few years like what Gen X did.

However complaining will get me nowhere, so action is more realistic. Of course, I have to adjust my expectations and something is still better than nothing.

The perk of being a Gen Y is that there are easier accessibility to everything. So we have to be smart and look for more options to diverse our investments.

With all that said, the attitude and awareness to start saving from young will always stay true.
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You are welcome. Not many of us can do delayed gratification. It can be hard to see pals on social media with the latest cars or trips abroad... We want the same to. Just do it without breaking the bank and have a financial safety net. No need to blame the government, to me.. It's all one and the same regardless of who among them takes the helm.. I just hope that whoever does, remembers that people make a country and they assist...

QUOTE(haziqnet @ Jan 31 2018, 08:21 PM)
To summarize everything when u start young you will pay less and get more at the end. Realistic or not the current dividend still can give profit to asb customers. The interest will always in balance between the dividend to make asb remain relevant.

Bro buggie have share his real experience how from 200k and now he  already have almost million in his asb acc (include loan) Asbf is only one of the platform. There are many instruments out there u guys can use to gain your capital. Just keep in mind the higher the return the higher the risk. Thats all.

And for bro voncrance thanks for the highlight about the previous asb dividend. Past performance will not indicate the future return. Anything can happen in investment. Its up to you how u play the game and manage your risk from loss.
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Yup.. Up up up.
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post Feb 6 2018, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Bold III @ Feb 6 2018, 12:36 PM)
Is it ok if friend of mine who is not bumi, pump money to my asb acc then the dividen share 20:80?
She got the 80%..
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All depends on your ethics level. You aren't the first and won't be the last to do this. Just don't give/get problem in future.. IMO, it's considered OPM too tongue.gif
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post Feb 8 2018, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Feb 8 2018, 02:48 PM)
I was reading a letter sent by a reader to KC Lau's website.  The guy said that he applied for 200k ASB loan and paid it off with his RM15k savings.  How is that possible? Enlightened me please....

Here's the link: https://kclau.com/investment/asb-young/
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He didn't pay it off.. It's a story of a time when people were told that if they only paid for the first year's loan installments, that the dividends accrued will be enough to keep paying the loan for the rest of the tenure. Doing that means you lose out on the power of compounding and besides such tactics are invalid for today.
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post Feb 8 2018, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Feb 8 2018, 03:16 PM)
Just trying to understand this ASB Loan.  Not everyone can ikat perut to pay 1k+ asb loan especially with the current high cost of living. Assuming that a person only can spare RM500 per month, what is the recommended feasible loan amount to take, loan ternure and at what point to terminate? Appreciate your advice.
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Yes, not everyone can.. Which is why different loan amounts and plans exist. I don't care if investment or not. Never take on too much loan for anything than you can handle.. It's not worth it. Cuz if you suddenly have to terminate and still owing the bank, bank don't care.. You must pay what is owed.

As for which amount for monthly payments of RM500.. This you have to refer to agents as they have the latest numbers and options that can be applied. Sorry, I can't help there.
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post Feb 8 2018, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(HolySatan @ Feb 8 2018, 05:42 PM)
y not...
asbf 200k, 4.8% = 1050
1 year = 12600
asb dividen 14500
14500 - 12600 = 1900
asbf 100K + 100K.. hybrid.. rolling dividen + duit sendiri
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Simple...from the last few pages, you should know... Interest rates increased, dividend amounts, to insure or not to insure...Don't get me started on the long-term profits of leaving the dividends in versus taking it out.. That in itself should be a de-motivator in the first place.. Besides, assuming dividends of 14500, leaving that in alone will nett you an additional RM1000+, at pure 7% interest.. This is minus the interest of the previous 200K+

Well, if your plan is to grow your money in tiny bits year by year while still bound to a bank loan.. Sure, be my guest.. Remember, we are talking one year here.. 12 months.. 2K-ish per year is pretty much peanuts for being tied to a contract.. Other ways of making that in far less time.

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post Feb 10 2018, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(HolySatan @ Feb 8 2018, 06:19 PM)
asbf can terminate anytime..
profit asbf : dividen + prinsipal
better untung sikit daripada rugi
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Sure can terminate anytime.. Doesn't mean have to be go about it the counter-productive way.. Oh yeah, hope you factored in inflation. Consumer prices in Malaysia went up 3.5% from a year earlier in December of 2017, following a 3.4% rise in the prior month and matching market consensus. Cost of food & non-alcoholic beverages and transport rose faster (source: BNM).. Sure the country also experienced stronger GDP growth, but have to ask oneself. Are you part of the group with income growth parallel to the GDP? Most likely, No.

Which is why I chuckle when people simply assume that as long as dividends is greater than amount invested, it's all good. Nope, if only smart investing was that simple.. Must weigh in other opportunity costs. Otherwise it's similar to pumping out the same amount water that's coming into the boat. I'm gonna stop here.. To compound the proper way for max gains or not?.. Well, that depends on each individual. Regardless, the house never loses. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 22 2018, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(MrFay @ Feb 22 2018, 09:03 PM)
Hi guys, i am mostly a silent reader for this group.. I hv just terminated my ASB loan from maybank since last november.. And they actually terminated it this month.. I was wondering how they calculated the principal amount? Because i got only RM1055.89

My asb loan from maybank was started since early 2016 (around march), i made 200k asbf with takaful.. Monthly payment was rm1206.. My question is how do they calculated the principal, i thought that i should get around 3000+ from principal? Is it because of takaful?

Thanks
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So basically, you got 1K for the 2 years investing. As a silent reader you should have been aware that you terminated too early.. Plus extra payments for takaful as well = less principal. Granted, I'm sure you have your reasons being forced to terminate this early. But this is the repercussion and why it's advised against. Basically, as with such loans, the first couple of years, the larger bulk of your monthly payments all go towards paying the bank interest and only slight deductions made from the principal. It's standard bank practice so they recoup their profits as quickly as possible. After-all, they loaned you the money upfront. For best or accurate calculations, better ask the Maybank official in charge, for a breakdown or statement. That should clear things up for you.
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post Feb 22 2018, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(MrFay @ Feb 22 2018, 09:48 PM)
Thank you for your reply, i see.. yes i realised that i terminated my loan tenure too early, the reason was for me to get a better tenure.. I already applied for another loan with 30 years tenure instead of 25 years, and a better interest rate.. Thinking of im starting to get into 30s, i should try to get a better loan tenure before it's too late 😅 Alright, will ask the person in charge at Maybank for a statement/calculation.. Thank you for clearing things up for me
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post Mar 13 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Mar 13 2018, 06:10 PM)
4x50k

Does there a plan to cancel 1 by 1 if something go wrong? Just curious
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Hmm, do you mean 4 separate 50K loans under the same person?
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post Mar 13 2018, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 13 2018, 07:39 PM)
Thats normal. If the different after the rate increment is not more than 50 than ur installment will remain. However there is a catch ur loan tenure will be extend and ur principal value will be less a bit.

For example your loan tenure balance is 20 years. After the increment of BR, ur installment remain but your loan tenure will be extend maybe 2-3 years more.
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Really this much of payments still for a 0.25% increase... Any proper formula one can use to be more precise?
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post Mar 14 2018, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 13 2018, 07:55 PM)
Install financial calculator and look for tvm calculator. Insert the details and u can see how much the tenure extend. Dun worry. It wont effect too much of your total return. If u dun want for the loan tenure to extend than go to the bank and tell them u want to pay with new installment.
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Noted.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 20 2018, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Mar 20 2018, 12:12 PM)
put some of the cash into tabung haji (3 month of salary amount atleast) the rest try to invest cash in unit trust. It also have good potential return in long term. Capital gain and dividend.
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TLDR: don't invest in unit trust unless you know your stuffs. Keep under your bed even safer. No loss. biggrin.gif

I would advise avoiding Unit trust investments unless one has an excellent (not just good) agent to handle or knows exactly how to play the market. Else, you'll end up just losing money especially on agents fees. A family friend subscribed to such agent ("neighborhood friend") and regularly had amounts auto deducted from her account every month for almost 5 years. I decided to take a look at her investments and immediately asked her to go terminate and get her money back. Turns out she has been loosing money all this while and the agent just kept quiet. Upon confrontation, agent was like.. You win some, you lose some.. I was like shocking.gif.. So much for friendship..
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QUOTE(Zain Hafriz @ Apr 3 2018, 06:15 PM)
What if i tell u..u can make 110% profit in five years time by using asb financing rather than normal saving..not everyone have the capital to dump in 100k or 200k in their account..example..if u make 200k loans and interest rate at 5.2% take it to 30years..u have to spent 1100 permonth..times by 12month..u spent 13200 per year..taking count the lowest divident at 6.75% u will get 13500 divident per year..if rolled the divident to pay for 2nd year and maintain until 5th year..u will get 30500 if u surrender the certicate by only spent 13200 the first year...this is rolling method..there is compounding method and more advanced method..feel free to contact me know how to play this game..ill give consultation free of charge..
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You got me going for a bit but then I stopped reading at the bolded part... You are a new account here and so lack rep.. Post here if you've got something to share other than vaporware.. I'd love to see your numbers.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 8 2018, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Zain Hafriz @ Apr 8 2018, 01:22 PM)
Hi sir..yes im new here..have a look at my draft..if theres anything that u dont understand u can let me know..maybe we can sit down and ill have it presented to you in details and how does the calculations is done.
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QUOTE(Zain Hafriz @ Apr 8 2018, 01:24 PM)
The upper draw is by using rolling method..the second one below is the compounding method..depends on how your capabilities and what is ur target for the savings to grow..
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Seen the numbers and if I deciphered correctly.. It's same ol, same ol., Compounding still tops.. It thought there's some other "secret" method.

QUOTE(buggie @ Apr 8 2018, 01:50 PM)
ASB2 dividend haul this year [attachmentid=9715853]

With ASBf haul at 40+k, total haul for the year from ASBf + ASBf2 = 56k. Thanks to following the strategy...

Next year should be close to 60k!
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Nice.
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post Apr 10 2018, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(Zain Hafriz @ Apr 10 2018, 04:42 PM)
Of course compounding will give better amount of money because save more money in it..huhuhu..like i said..depending on person capability and their target on how much to earned by certain time period..n the secret technique on how to get 200k certificates with only the amount contributed like 100k cert at 5++ only..hahaha..lets have some coffee and talk about it,,
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Sure I understand.. Be careful with the offer of coffee, I just might take you up on it.. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(1depp1 @ Apr 10 2018, 04:53 PM)
alright.. but, I know this is ASB thread, but I just want to ask what my friend who is a property investor, in 5 years he can make 60k+ without even counting in rentals.. Just wanted to ask for your feedback.. sorry if different topic.. just wanted to see ASB and property investment vessels.

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Your pal gambled or took a calculated risk and it paid off. Doesn't necessarily mean it always will. As you mentioned, different forms of investment. Here's the thing, properties have netted people millions within a few years to under a decade. Same strategy can also net you losses in hundreds of thousands or millions too and you'll still need to pay back the bank loan.. Well of course, unless paid cash. Basically, can go either way. If you buy the right stuffs and it matures nicely in a couple years, enough to offset bank loan interests amongst other upkeep? Sure, jump in but do your research first. As with any form of investment, I would never simply invest my cash based solely on my friend or family members' words. Even ASB, as per prospectus can "crash" lower than loans interest rates too. Ain't nothing like 100% guarantee..

Edit: From the pic, looks like your pal didn't factor in the cost of paying back the bank loan plus interests. Simply calculated that monthly payments all went into offsetting the principal amount. Which as we know is definitely not. If so, sure less than 60K.

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post Apr 24 2018, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Misteripunyaolang @ Apr 24 2018, 12:49 PM)
Maybank, 70k and above at 5%
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For ASB2? Cuz I thought it's not possible to buy units at the moment.

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