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 ASB loan, worth to get it???

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voncrane
post Mar 14 2017, 01:47 AM

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Edit: Apologies to all.. I have no further wish to fuel this banter.

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post Mar 14 2017, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(notoriousfiq @ Mar 14 2017, 10:25 AM)
Hmmm.. to use this RM 1 billion cash of mine for an investment, or borrow RM 1 billion from banks paying them interest.. hmmm.. which one more profitable ah.. oh so hard to think oh my gosh.. hmmm..

Really guys??

Is this ASB Loan thread, or Cash-Rich People thread?
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It's ASB Loan thread la... With a billion, one could afford to behave differently and probably hire fund managers to handle such.. Very few would actually be full hands on with their investments... Sometimes, they win big and other times, lose big too.. Rules of the game.. Take Buffet as an example.. smile.gif
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post Apr 18 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(lowyatjoe @ Apr 18 2017, 04:01 PM)
can you provide us the math to support ur claim taking into account dividen rate at 6.5 percent??

if i already have 200k in my asb2 do u think it is good that i take the 200k and invest in say asw and then take asb2 loan at the amount of 200k and put it in my asb2? would i make more money using this strategy?
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You will.. Especially if the 200k being moved is loan free.
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post Apr 18 2017, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Apr 18 2017, 10:46 PM)
Currently asb 2 have been discontinued for financing. However if i already have 200k in my asb account, i will split it into 2 100k keep in asb2 or any other fix asn fund. I do this so i will have emergency fund to use if i need it (asb2). The other 100k i will put it into unit trust which can give me 10-15% of return. I can double the money in 7.2 years if the return average 10%/year (rules 72)

Then i will apply 200k loan at asb 1 with 30 years tenure about 1100/month.

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Just need a quick confirmation as per your first paragraph on ASB2.
*By "discontinued for financing", does it mean that loans can't be taken anymore (aka financed) but one can use personal cash up till the max 200k?
*ASB1 still allowing loans?
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post Apr 18 2017, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(HolySatan @ Apr 18 2017, 11:18 PM)
fix.. dividen telah di zakat 2.5%

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Holy!... Images are too big... Filling up one's monitor screen.. smile.gif

QUOTE(haziqnet @ Apr 18 2017, 11:23 PM)
Yes correct. Asb2 only can use cash. No more financing method.

Yes Asb 1 still allowing loans.
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Okay...Thanks.

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post Apr 22 2017, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(fakerdemit @ Apr 22 2017, 02:08 PM)
Hi everyone,
I signed up for asb loan from cimb months ago. Is there a way that I could pay my asb monthly repayment through maybank2u? I don't own a cimb account so it's a bit hassle to go to cdm.
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If it's connected to a bank account.. Like some housing loans, can simply do an IBG/IBFT... IBFT is preferred.
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post May 17 2017, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ May 17 2017, 04:30 PM)
I would like to ask

I took up a ASB loan 200k in the year of 2013, right now with a balance loan around 160k.

If I cancel the loan, the bank will sell off the 200k cert. But will I get my 40k?
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Yes, you'll get your principal (paid) amount back..
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post Jun 23 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(radenoactive @ Jun 23 2017, 03:27 PM)
Just discovered this thread and realized I've just made a big mistake.  cry.gif

Made an ASB1 200k loan for 25 years from yellow bank with full takaful last year August. I didn't know about these takaful thingie as all those 'viral' post in fb didn't mention it at all. My mistakes for jumping the bandwagon too soon without making a full research about it.

So, a noob question here, is there any way to cancel the takaful? Does the takaful will deduce my total principal amount when I'm gonna terminate the loan after 3 years?
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console.gif .. At least, now you know.. Should be okay if you let it stay a couple years first.. See if a better offer comes around and or made a few thousand on top of the deductions, then terminate and reapply. Terminating now would incur losses. unwise.

QUOTE(hustlerism @ Jun 23 2017, 04:49 PM)
Guys is it better to "rolling" the dividend or dont kacau the dividends at all?
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Better not to touch the dividends at all.. Let it compound over the years.

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post Jun 23 2017, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(hustlerism @ Jun 23 2017, 06:43 PM)
Why want to cancel the takaful? Just curious. I'm new to this ASB loan as well
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Not compulsory... Read back at least one page.. Full explanation provided.

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post Jun 25 2017, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(hustlerism @ Jun 25 2017, 01:23 AM)
What if im planning to pay the loan for 30 years? Do i still need to cancel the takaful?
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Ideally not.. It's there for a reason.. So just keep paying ..Who knows what may happen in 20+ years..
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post Aug 4 2017, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Aug 4 2017, 11:35 AM)
Up like petrol biggrin.gif
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You..... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Aug 19 2017, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(taiko8148 @ Aug 19 2017, 11:52 AM)
Thks for your info but still for me its not a really good idea saving via ASB loan.

total profit/loss figure still not clear yet due to no detail statement given (hidden charges) to me & they just bank in the surrender value to my cimb saving a/c.

But what i received as per today only as per earlier comment.

Conclusion is you only can enjoy the real money ONLY after your loan fully settled. That is my opinion.
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That pretty much sums it up. Awhile back I did make some calculations public and promptly got told off for "not understanding" how it works... Nah..I don't think so and knew exactly how it works, especially with declining interest rates. Long story short, banks want you to take loans cuz they profit from the interest paid. Hence why the portion of interest being paid is heaviest in the beginning of loan serving. To make their profits faster and to discourage early termination. Cuz the longer you pay, the more they make.. Simple maths. Even if one terminates earlier, doesn't matter, cuz they'll either have made some cash off you or you'll end up still owing them (should one's investment backfires or doesn't make enough to offset the loan interest). Really, It's all basic financial sense and applies to many other loan facilities.. Not just ASB. Which is why most of the responses you've been getting is that you educate yourself more on how such works before plunging in.

Taking the loan is typically preferred by those who have little to no capital to begin with and have problems saving consistently on their own. This forces them to "pay themselves first". Now you know firsthand how it works and can plan better. As advised, I also feel you should wait till next year.. Get this year's dividends credited, then pull out and reapply with better interest rates. OPMs or not, nothing beats the peace of mind that comes with using your cash instead. Since its a relatively safe investment option.. So far.. Back into me hole now. laugh.gif
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post Aug 20 2017, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(haziqnet @ Aug 20 2017, 02:26 PM)
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Relax bro... My post explained for both sides. The fellow and others like him who fell in the same trap, thought they could go in... rinse and repeat a couple years as popularly advised. Unfortunately, his numbers didn't yield as much as it could. Hence his disappointment. For good reason. He now knows where the faults lie and options. His investments, his risk & comfort levels, his returns.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 3 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(prominen @ Sep 3 2017, 03:37 PM)
Guys, one question that I need to ask.

Currently I need some emergency money that I Want to withdraw some money from my asb account. The money is my personal investment not from the loan.
Question is, will it affect much my dividend calculation at the end of the year?
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Unless things have changed, it is my understanding that interest is calculated on available funds, on a monthly basis.. So it won't affect much if you withdraw and replace it. The sooner it's replaced, the less the effects.
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post Sep 15 2017, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(syirbiznatch @ Sep 14 2017, 11:25 PM)
I think can change strategy in middle of asb loan. Let say u cannot commit monthly after 2 years, just let the dividend pay for the rest of your loan. In the end you still get 'money' right?
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While ill-advised, yes you can.. If the dividend is enough to pay for the loan. However, in the end you'll get less than you should, had you left the dividends intact. Obviously, if hard on spare cash at the moment to keep paying monthly, then it's a better choice than terminating.
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post Oct 30 2017, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Oct 29 2017, 11:43 PM)
applied for 155k asb loan, bank sotong @ 5% rate. now on the 12th-month loan tenure.
u guys terminate most at what time?
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I'd say it's still too early.. Give it a couple more years. Read backwards, it's been explained recently.

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post Nov 3 2017, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(dakkuwos @ Nov 3 2017, 05:04 PM)
Hi,
want to ask

Let say if I have like 5K cash to pay for 1 year and i to do ASB Loan.
and after 1 year, i just want to use the dividend as monthly repayment until the loan finished.
How much is the suggested loan i can make? And How many years?
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In addition to what dakkuwos posted, I think the more important question is if the dividend after a year is even enough to offset the loan payments.. Go see history, dividend has been reducing year on year. That tactic of pay first year, rinse and repeat does not apply anymore. My 2 cents.
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post Nov 15 2017, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Nov 14 2017, 09:55 PM)
because upon the approval of my $200k loan they quoted me a takaful of RM8.6k... seriously wtf...
I'm planning to call the general line to cancel the loan cos i dont dare to talk to the consultant

I'm looking to refinance the asb loan from ambank @4.75%
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This is why one should always read the fine print and know exactly what you are getting into before signing. A consultant may not fully explain things, that's where black and white shine.
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post Nov 15 2017, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(monsta2011 @ Nov 15 2017, 12:52 AM)
I know the insurance is compulsory and the premium will only be calculated during the loan application process. It is just the ridicurious charge that is putting me off.
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Agreed... It's in the bank's interest to make as much money as possible. Can't be helped. Hope it's resolved amicably and you don't loose... much.
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post Dec 15 2017, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Dec 15 2017, 08:18 PM)
Seeing that most Asb loan getting lower interest rates, like 4.75 - 4.8% nowadays, will us getting lower Asb dividend next year?

For year 2017 account
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Wouldn't be a surprise given recent trends, rising costs and inflation rate.

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