why don't just boycott America, huh war with iraq, afgan, vietnam...the list goes on and on. talking about human rights. clean up ur own mess b4 start criticizing everyone

wat u say!! u say wattt!!!

nice song
funny version

This post has been edited by gniusinc: Apr 4 2008, 07:52 PM

back to last year....bcoz of welcome to beijing...i kena ban 1 week

ermm dude....we talking bout beijing olympics here....so i take it as a 'no' from you? if america's gonna host an olympics rite now....be my guest to start a call for a boycott.....but that is not the case here....we r talking bout beijing right now....why do u guys always need to bring in ameica into this...the call for boycott is not spearheaded by the states.....its just groups of ppl that care thats been voicing out......who dont belong to any particular political faction....

pot calling the kettle black, i found that what lacking in most argument is china's point of view. Plan to visit more foreign forums to gather more insights. To just rely on one side of the coin is just plain useless sounds more like STAR reporting

This post has been edited by Zard: Apr 4 2008, 11:30 PM

China's point of view is clear enough already. Tibet belongs to China and China will do whatever it takes to ensure that doesn't change. Whatever includes putting down any dissent from the Tibetans in whatever form. Please feel free to enlighten us if there is more.

PS
Don't know why you are using the idiom pot calling the kettle black. Care to explain?

Personally I choose "NO".

This is the Olympics and not a conference of one's personal agenda.

Tibet belongs to China which goes the same for Taiwan.

Hence, Let the Chinese goverment sort out their own problems.


Human rights activitist can express their POV but don't over do it.

At the end of the day, It's the Chinese goverment who runs the show and by doing this. It sure will be hard on the tibetians.

Personally, I feel the Dalai Lama who claim he has nothing to do with it should have done something on this.

Yes, Everyone has rights but there is a certain degree of respect it should expressed.

What i am referring is to China Chinese point of view vs Western people point of view vs India's point of view vs the rest of the world's point of view. Want to know more go and read other forums, form your own conclusion. International politics is complicated enough, to blindly follow the western world point of view is just plain bias.

RWI there is one thread on the same topic, some of them highlighted many real political issues. That is why i don't just buy the whole boycott completely. I haven't live in China nor visit tibet b4, i am not pro-china either. Environmental issue is what i don't like about China.

Did you read my previous post, pot calling the kettle black meaning b4 the western world start pointing finger at other's wrongdoing, why not assess their own wrong doing. Human rights, to me American's love to point finger at others, they interpret it as they like, their version and China has their version, Malaysia have own our version, so which version? If you are brought up overseas in America, yes your mind is set to freedom the best country in the world. You come back to Malaysia, and criticize on everything, do you ever have a clue on how things are run in Malaysia. Dude Rome is not built in one day ok. It is not easy to understand tibetan's struggle yet what about those dead Han-Chinese people, so their death is also justifiable by those Tibet's human right agenda? Like malaysian like to put it Mati Katak. I am only interested in the options available to solve such matters. So after boycotting will the problem go away. I don't think so, it will still persist.

Same story goes to those boycotting Dutch product. UMNO ask us to boycott them, so have you learn what is the whole story about? I don't boycott them because everyone has their own political views. Our local news media like theSTAR, NewStraitsTimes, TV3 if those were western media, do you still believe in them? This is not RWI, and not a serious discussion thread, so commenting in such detail is pointless. If you feel like commenting some more, i suggest you go get a Phd and write out a detail research, published it,by then i will take u seriously. By the way i am no expert in this political field, i only learn not to accept one sided view.

This post has been edited by Zard: Apr 5 2008, 09:39 AM

Re your first paragraph. What you have left out entirely is the Tibetan's point of view. We should consider their views as well.

I speak only for myself, I am not so much influenced by the West's point of view. What I do know is that the Tibetans have been living under harsh conditions for decades and something needs to be done. Thousands have been killed and imprisoned over the years.

A boycott may not make the problem go away but certainly neither is doing nothing, looking at how the Chinese are handling the situation on the ground, in their media and in their official government responses.

Lastly, this is kopitiam. We don't need to take things too seriously in here. Certainly not to the extent of acquiring a PhD before commenting further.

when i mean China chinese, meaning Tibetan included, so Tibetan ain't chinese huh joe_mamak? There are Han-Chinese, so there are Tibetan-chinese. So what did i say about research again?

This post has been edited by Zard: Apr 5 2008, 04:28 PM

lol...they might be chinese but their of different ethnic origin....like we are all malaysians but we hav different ethnicity as well....

why ban leh?

will you ban chinese if you hear the hokkien vs teochew at somewhere else in malaysia?
simple as that.

even we chinese also hav teochew, hakka, hailam, hokkien, canto & etc..

will you ban our govt. for giv us what we got today?
think about it. ban is not solution.

if ban can change the fact, why not we ban proton.
well at least we can get cheaper car in future, who know?

Boycott Beijing Olympics for the Tibet issue?
Should the world boycott Malaysia for race equality and government corruptions issues?


Edit - Oh by the way, stop giving a damn on other countries when you can not even make your own country a better place to be.

This post has been edited by Nub!: Apr 5 2008, 06:18 PM

direct to the point

No, Tibetans are not Chinese. Just like if China invaded Malaysia tomorrow, we won't be Chinese either.

PS
There isn't a need to take a dig at me.

I did my bit last election. Besides, no one here is blatantly getting killed, imprisoned or having his culture subject to genocide.

Tibetans have had donation pouring from every part of the world, lots of them. NGOs for Human Rights especially and you can even find them in Malaysia. So where is the fund? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know the answer if you just have a peek at the Dalai Lama's lifestyle. So who is making the Tibetans suffer?

This boycott will do no good at all, especially boycotting the Olympics after China putting so much money and effort on it. The more they pressure China, the more China will react by refusing to budge from their stand. They are proud that they are given a chance to host the Olympics and they will in no circumstance, believe that they are actually on par with top nations, to show their superiority over Tibet by giving them a small "payback".

Though Steven Spielberg's withdrawal and overeaction still made me LOL for some time few weeks ago.

You see this as a humanitarian aid problem? I think you should find out more about what the Tibetans are asking for.

Here, try this. http://www.tibet.com/

if china turned into some arrogant n ignorant prick like what uve said....they are goin to face some serious repercussions from the world.....this is typical asian thinking.....i think there was this saying of "hitting ones child just to make others think that they are in control" this is so wrong....

given that theyve put in so much effort into this...im sure they dont want the world to taint this olympic games and they should pay more attention to what they r doing currently and take a long good look at themselves....

like i said....with so much at stake....theres no better chance to make a statement......and i think the its now or never for the Tibetian to stand up and make it happen....remember...the Dalai Lama wanted more power in self governance but still be part of china....like an autonomous region....but the fellow Tibetians...some had gone to more extreme measures saying that the Dalai Lama has been trying for ages but hasnt got the results....so they are now acting on their own will, fueled by the years of blatant oppression and persecution, going to use the games as a platform to show the world how much theyve been thru and hopefully someone will come and take the misery out off them.....

with so much wrongdoings going around...i dunno why there are still ppl supporting the chinese...yea there are plenty of ppl saying that the USA is just as cruel as the Chinese bla bla bla....so does it mean that we can just allow oppression n murder overrule humanity.....each every little effort counts.....we as part of the global community has failed to quell the US's aggression and yet we still wanna allow the chinese to do the same, going on to murder more people?

by recognizing the chinese olympics and singing praises for its success and etc is just an indirect way of recognizing and approving the acts of the chinese govt.....i think if we do that...we are sending the wrong signals in and we wouldnt want our so called 'superpower in the making' to learn that its okay to kill ppl, override human rights and etc.