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post Apr 1 2008, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Audiotrader @ Apr 1 2008, 02:02 PM)
Hey enuff of Chinese...

What abt Tamil-ed girls? Anybody??
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Thanks for all the replies.

QUOTE(Baronic @ Mar 31 2008, 10:45 PM)
to the TS, its obvious u are the latter, u are the english ed, chasing a chinese ed.
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WAH!!!! How did you know? Nevertheless, congratulations, rclxms.gif you're a good mind reader and/or stalker (j/k)

QUOTE(Baronic @ Mar 31 2008, 10:45 PM)
Before u go ahead on this, consider what you're getting yourself into. Can u spend the rest of your life with this girl? There IS a huge difference, as chinese ed girls tend to be much much more naive as well, a huge turn off for english ed guys. SOME, not all, go so far as to be shallow minded.

That said and done however, i believe i CAN advise u, since i've gone down this path before. (i regretted, but your ending may differ)

Firstly, chinese ed girls are much easier to please, they like guys who they can share secrets with, talk to easily, and talk to often! Thats the starting path to wind your way to their heart. Surprisingly, cliche expressions of love like flowers seem to do the trick as well.

Try to be more romantic, even if its cliche, like, suddenly calling to say u miss the person, so decided to drop by. say it jokingly. (usually doesnt work on english ed since they begin to feel stalked, while chinese ed tends to feel touched. stereotyping here)

control your foul language. its a bigger turn off for chinese ed girls compared to english ed.

Chinese ed girls also tend to be more easily swayed by material gifts compared to english ed. huge stereotyping here, they may deny it all they want, but everyone likes gifts. english ed will accept it with a note of thanks. chinese ed tends to flush and swoon a lil.

maybe i shud dedicate my blog to relationship advice lol
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Sounds like quite some advice. Personally, I find chinese-eds are quite difficult to talk to not because of any language barrier, but because their responses being very brief and 'conversation-stopping' in nature like I mentioned in my first post. Let's say a question like "'how was lunch (food)?'", the reply would most of the time be "'fine'"... they don't continue with "how was your's?" or "the food was really good, we should go again" or anything which allows extension of a chat without the use of another question.

Another thing is the part where most actions need to be accompanied with a reason statement, preferably given beforehand... I've heard that chinese-eds in general seem to have a need to know the reason behind things and most of the chinese-ed guys and girls I know are really like that. With questions like "why this... why that", one has to directly point out what they are doing like "I'm accompanying you while you finish your homework" or "...because I love you" or etc etc. The toughest would be answering the "why" question after you suddenly give her stuff like flowers, out of the blue, on a normal day. Shouldn't these actions, romantic or daily life, already be quite obvious?? shocking.gif ...maybe they do know but are just testing the guy, who knows? rolleyes.gif

I couldn't agree more with your statement on foul language though.


QUOTE(Noobimus @ Apr 1 2008, 12:24 AM)
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It should be Oriental (usually Chinese) influence vs. Western (usually English) influence.

Anyone can take any education they want to. It is their choice of languange that makes all the differences. I can speak Chinese, but due to my extreme influence of the West (i.e. the common stereotype: banana [white in the inside, yellow on the outside]), my Chinese native flow of typical social conversation sucks (extremely WEAK CHINESE LANGUAGE PUNCHLINES) because my mind is thinking in English (due to the Western chosen way of life).

There are girls here who said they do not agree how they are stereotyped just because they have education from both English and Chinese. But which language is the one that dominates your preference and your true personality? You speak Chinese, but are you thinking in English in the inside? You speak English, but are you thinking in Chinese? These questions actually explains a lot. Are you really speaking your mind, or are you simply translating your words into another one, not realizing that translations can sound so cheesy? <----- (Most Chinese/Oriental people cannot find a proper Chinese/or commonly spoken Cantonese translation for this word, because trust me, it is not commonly used. They just nod heads and say emm, emm.)

And even if you're thinking and speaking in English, are you feeling that you want to be more of a Chinese? (Hence taking Chinese class because scared of people calling you banana) And if you're thinking and speaking in Chinese, are you sad that you're not good in the lingua franca?

Or maybe both stereotypes can be generalized simply as this:

Chinese/Oriental influence/way of life: Watches Chinese dramas like you know, like the ones in WLT from Astro.

English/Western influence/way of life: Watches English dramas like Heroes, House M.D, and many more.

If any of you can weigh the qualities and values from both I.Q and E.Q from thoese two types of movies, then you'll get the summary of what a Chinese influenced girl is like and what an English influenced girl is like.

Oh yeah and btw. I'll tell you one bigger truth.

Chinese/Oriental influenced people don't hug regularly = Not so open minded-like culture. (Majority, not all, so please f**k off)

English/Western influenced people = Need me say more? We Asians practised open minded-ness from the West. Hollywood mar. You don't understand English also you go and watch lar D I U.

Perhaps there's one more stereotype between the Chinese and the English influenced/educated.

Those who (Majority) are in Science Stream will know which language they belong to and so are the ones from Art Stream.

It's too obvious. I find more Chinese speaking/influenced ones in Arts Stream. And what does that tell you? Another common stereotype.

So unless a guy can manage to pull off the best of both worlds (which is few, because people always choose to have only one), he's on his own.

Phew. I like asking this question to the Chinese when they call me a banana: "If you are so Chinese, why do you have English names?"

So my conclusion:

Chinese educated/influenced = Not open minded. If if they are, it's not enough.

English educated/influenced = Usually open minded due to exposure and usually due to Hollywood and America (The UN speaks English too).

These conclusion apply to both guys and girls by the way. So if you're a guy going after either a Chinese or English educated/influenced girl, you better be prepared to kick off some of your habits that comes from your way of upbringing (English or Chinese upbringing brings a hell lot of difference). Subsitute Johnny Depp for Wang Li Hom and Destiny's Child for S.H.E. (or vice versa).
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Yea, you're right, that's exactly the point I was trying to make. I see many people bringing up the topic of languages and communication barriers in a chinese ed vs english ed gf/bf topic... that is not the correct 'definition' of chinese vs english ed. The REAL topic theme, which you were just talking about above, is their mentality, influence, the way of life and approach to doing actions (examples such as chinese ed girls usually unable accept a guy literally touching, includes kissing and hugging, them - even if you were their bf already, you would have to be together really close and for a long time to kiss or hug them and english eds being more tolerant of vulgarities, probably because they use curse words themselves and as frequently icon_idea.gif )

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QUOTE(complicated_Blue @ Mar 31 2008, 10:53 PM)

he said..chinese ed ppl like to sing k but eng ed ppl not really interested in karaoke..  biggrin.gif
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I'm english educated, so I can tell you why. Simply put it english songs at karaoke are crap, due to the poor el-cheapo videos used for the songs. Chinese pop songs on the other hand just seem made for karaoke, they're more much fun and engaging. Because most of use can barely read chinese, we tend to not frequent karaoke places.
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QUOTE(calibre2001 @ May 24 2008, 08:58 PM)
I'm english educated, so I can tell you why. Simply put it english songs at karaoke are crap, due to the poor el-cheapo videos used for the songs. Chinese pop songs on the other hand just seem made for karaoke, they're more much fun and engaging. Because most of use can barely read chinese, we tend to not frequent karaoke places.
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Stereotyping must exists somehow in this kind of thread but i just can't agree with the way you stereotype among chinese and english. Instead of stereotyping i believe you're mocking and insulting the chinese society more than the english society. You cannot judge a person characteristic based on their language preference but you can say that maybe because of their language preference they are brought up in a different way in life. But to just conclude that chinese ppl like the one you mention above, man that's just to 'insulting' to me. My girl doesn't meet the chinese criteria at all while for the English, am an english person, but i don't see any of those resembles me anyway.

So go figure.

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its not the ed,

its the mentality, and chivalry
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Oh dear.

I have been english educated since young.
However that does not necessarily mean my English is great or fantastic.
So please do ignore the grammatical errors.

Anyways, I can't speak Chinese at all, nor can I comprehend the chinese language.
It seems more like ... noise in my head. [Not trying to slander the chinese language, I just can't understand the language].
Hardly been exposed to the Chinese culture and YET... I find myself under your definition of "Chinese Stereotype"?

You bluntly stated that a Chinese Educated is:
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-Quiet (and usually studious)
-Not much to say to guys outside the topic of studies or other mundane stuff and very short responses (ie, "how was your day?" -> "fine")
-Need to be straightforward and direct when speaking to them
-Shy
I am not talkative. I am rather shy. Even if you made me talk, I rather listen.
I have nothing much to say, so yes, I am quite a boring person to talk to.

I would rather someone talk to be directly and not beat around the bush.
Just say it out clearly. I am a blur person who needs things to be directly said into my face.

Either .. Your definition of a Chinese educated Stereotype is flawed or;
... I must be weird to actually fulfilled every criteria under there.

I rather think it is abruptly incorrect to even define things such as these using the factor of the education system.

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QUOTE(olman @ May 25 2008, 12:30 AM)
its not the ed,

its the mentality, and chivalry
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That's what some CE'd had problems with. whistling.gif
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Both sides should learn up both languages properly. It can only be empowering whilst removing this unnecessarily social Berlin wall.

To my fellow EE chinese who have not learnt chinese yet, I strongly recommend learning it. IMO there's no such thing as too old or too late if you want it badly.

Here's a famous excerpt from a Lee Kuan Yew speech, it's really banana to banana talk:

"To be able to speak Chinese and to read the Chinese script, is reassuring. To look at Chinese characters, see them as mysterious hieroglyphics, is to be psychologically disadvantaged. A little effort and the magic of the characters will reveal themselves. Only a Chinese who cannot speak or read it, and who has been exposed to discomfiture or ridicule when abroad, will know how inadequate and how deprived he can feel. By the, they would not be young enough to learn the language easily. I have personally experience this. Therefore, I can state that its psychological value cannot be over-emphasised."

Though it contains propaganda and takes a defeatist stance, I think it sums up the dillemma of a chinese not knowing chinese. i have made the effort over the past 2 years and have seen the rewards.
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QUOTE(TwistedInsanity @ May 25 2008, 04:29 PM)
Oh dear.

I have been english educated since young.
However that does not necessarily mean my English is great or fantastic.
So please do ignore the grammatical errors.

Anyways, I can't speak Chinese at all, nor can I comprehend the chinese language.
It seems more like ... noise in my head. [Not trying to slander the chinese language, I just can't understand the language].
Hardly been exposed to the Chinese culture and YET... I find myself under your definition of "Chinese Stereotype"?

You bluntly stated that a Chinese Educated is:
I am not talkative. I am rather shy. Even if you made me talk, I rather listen.
I have nothing much to say, so yes, I am quite a boring person to talk to.

I would rather someone talk to be directly and not beat around the bush.
Just say it out clearly. I am a blur person who needs things to be directly said into my face.

Either .. Your definition of a Chinese educated Stereotype is flawed or;
... I must be weird to actually fulfilled every criteria under there.

I rather think it is abruptly incorrect to even define things such as these using the factor of the education system.
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Totally agree with you there!
I'm actually somewhat like you too
English ed and brought up speaking only english in my family but personally i'm quiet.
Kinda prefer to listen to others

I actually have some experience with chinese ed friends, the way i see it, the problem is the communication barrier.
Chinese ed guys/gals have not much confident in communicating with you in english so that's why they make it brief and understandble
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To Noobimus : FYI, u misinterpret the definition of banana. It doenst matter wheter a non banana have a english name or not.
Banana is those who are chinese but cant speak chinese. Its not related to name. U will be selfpwned if u ask the question to those who know wats banana
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a english-ed girl confeessed to me before.

cute and smart.

and yes, i rejected her.

edit: NOT BECAUSE SHE IS English-ed, just before somebody flame me

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Ah a wonderful thread very informative indeed. I really enjoy ed analogy , So true in this culture here heh , See what I think is that it really is up to the guy what he wants , If you are the type of guy who is a chameleon meaning you can change to any situation then you will survive and look out for a life filled women of all flavors ! ,

Personally , I really dont care what ed she is , As long as she pushes my buttons , I can totally fill the shape of any glass !
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QUOTE(n000b @ Mar 31 2008, 06:15 PM)
I don't know about you guys, but I've read and been following the topic of Chinese ed vs English ed gfand have found it very interesting. Then there was another topic back awhile ago about whether language was a barrier between the mediums, etc etc but I can't remember the links (neither did I bookmark them)

To summarize...

Chinese ed stereotype:
-Quiet (and usually studious)
-Not much to say to guys outside the topic of studies or other mundane stuff and very short responses (ie, "how was your day?" -> "fine")
-Need to be straightforward and direct when speaking to them
-Shy

English ed stereotype:
-Talkative (as in easy to have a conversation with)
-Open minded and actions (although sometimes bordering what people call 'slutty')
-Tend to comprehend complex english - like sacarsm, poem hidden meanings, etc
-Okay with using curse words more frequently than their CE counterpart (girls)

Also, I notice that in a situation where a guy who likes a chinese-ed girl confesses to her, but she doesn't like him back, the girl will then tend to try to avoid and ignore that guy as much as possible. In the case of an english-ed girl, the guy and her would most likely just remain friends even if she doesn't share his feelings. Chinese-ed girls also would not be caught dead walking as a pair, side-by-side with another guy unless they are official already (bf-gf) while english-ed girls seem to be okay walking like that with their normal guy friends and classmates

It's even more difficult when you're trying to "cross-attract", like english-ed guy going for chinese-ed girl and vice versa. English-ed guy would probably be too talkative for the chinese-ed girl and the chinese ed guy would probably be too boring for the english-ed girl.

Before somebody starts flaming or shouting troll (hopefully not), remember I'm talking about stereotypes, hard-core. I'm not talking about those 'diluted' chinese ed or english ed who have mixed with the other type until the point where they have become 'less chinese ed' or 'less english ed'

So what does a guy got to do to attract a girl of the opposite education medium? Like how can an english-ed guy try to get a chinese-ed girl when she doesn't really talk that much and is not that responsive (see short response under chinese-ed stereotype above)?

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When somebody starts a topic like this in Cupid's Corner, they are ""new"" to the forum for obvious reasons  brows.gif
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firstly, i'm english ed, but ever since i entered local university, i've spoken more Chinese than English on a daily basis....i can't agree with you... i have chinese ad friends who could talk NON-STOP.... and not at all shy!! i wonder where the stereotype comes from.. english ed people used complex english as chinese ed uses complex chinese language.. and i have chinese ed friends who cursed in a day more than i do in my entire lifetime! so ya, i think it's very individual.... but basically, for me,... bad english is a TOTAL turn off.... and it sucks when we dont share the same sense of humour.... and i love poety like a lot... then again, it's individual.... i am sure others would find my bad chinese terrible too... so ya... it's a fair game....


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QUOTE(Noobimus @ Apr 1 2008, 12:24 AM)
TS.

It should be Oriental (usually Chinese) influence vs. Western (usually English) influence.

Anyone can take any education they want to. It is their choice of languange that makes all the differences. I can speak Chinese, but due to my extreme influence of the West (i.e. the common stereotype: banana [white in the inside, yellow on the outside]), my Chinese native flow of typical social conversation sucks (extremely WEAK CHINESE LANGUAGE PUNCHLINES) because my mind is thinking in English (due to the Western chosen way of life).

There are girls here who said they do not agree how they are stereotyped just because they have education from both English and Chinese. But which language is the one that dominates your preference and your true personality? You speak Chinese, but are you thinking in English in the inside? You speak English, but are you thinking in Chinese? These questions actually explains a lot. Are you really speaking your mind, or are you simply translating your words into another one, not realizing that translations can sound so cheesy? <----- (Most Chinese/Oriental people cannot find a proper Chinese/or commonly spoken Cantonese translation for this word, because trust me, it is not commonly used. They just nod heads and say emm, emm.)

And even if you're thinking and speaking in English, are you feeling that you want to be more of a Chinese? (Hence taking Chinese class because scared of people calling you banana) And if you're thinking and speaking in Chinese, are you sad that you're not good in the lingua franca?

Or maybe both stereotypes can be generalized simply as this:

Chinese/Oriental influence/way of life: Watches Chinese dramas like you know, like the ones in WLT from Astro.

English/Western influence/way of life: Watches English dramas like Heroes, House M.D, and many more.

If any of you can weigh the qualities and values from both I.Q and E.Q from thoese two types of movies, then you'll get the summary of what a Chinese influenced girl is like and what an English influenced girl is like.

Oh yeah and btw. I'll tell you one bigger truth.

Chinese/Oriental influenced people don't hug regularly = Not so open minded-like culture. (Majority, not all, so please f**k off)

English/Western influenced people = Need me say more? We Asians practised open minded-ness from the West. Hollywood mar. You don't understand English also you go and watch lar D I U.

Perhaps there's one more stereotype between the Chinese and the English influenced/educated.

Those who (Majority) are in Science Stream will know which language they belong to and so are the ones from Art Stream.

It's too obvious. I find more Chinese speaking/influenced ones in Arts Stream. And what does that tell you? Another common stereotype.

So unless a guy can manage to pull off the best of both worlds (which is few, because people always choose to have only one), he's on his own.

Phew. I like asking this question to the Chinese when they call me a banana: "If you are so Chinese, why do you have English names?"

So my conclusion:

Chinese educated/influenced = Not open minded. If if they are, it's not enough.

English educated/influenced = Usually open minded due to exposure and usually due to Hollywood and America (The UN speaks English too).

These conclusion apply to both guys and girls by the way. So if you're a guy going after either a Chinese or English educated/influenced girl, you better be prepared to kick off some of your habits that comes from your way of upbringing (English or Chinese upbringing brings a hell lot of difference). Subsitute Johnny Depp for Wang Li Hom and Destiny's Child for S.H.E. (or vice versa).
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I hate to be called banana... i find it an excuse to segregrate people, even judge.... why are there terms like banana and coconut?? and what do you call chinese ed ppl then? orange or pineapple?? please stop calling eng ad ppl banana... my chinese friends would stare at me like an alien, and in comment: 'So, you are banana ka?'
... oh puh-lizzz.......... and i never judge your poor english....

celyn

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post Jul 10 2008, 11:24 AM

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Chinese Ed girls are only good to look at..... which means, if u want a GF, go for chinese ed.

If you want a soulmate, english ed is where you're more likely to find.
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I am Chinese ed (elementary school at least)..
I can speak my mother tongue... I speak hakka
with my family, but i prefer to converse in english with
my friends.... I speak mandarin with my best buddy blink.gif

Most of the time, i'd rather speak english so you can say english
is my first language but people still call me a banana...
I'm like wtf? you invented the term banana but u don't even know
what it means ??

As i've said before, i should have been born a white guy.
I am not intrigued by the chinese culture. I hate their songs,
it's always a copy of en english one. I dislike thier food, cos there's
too little meat.... But i do enjoy my mom's home cooked chinese
food 'cos of the portion. Most of the time, I'd rather eat at mamak's
or western cos i love steaks and chops. I hate chinese drama, too much crying
and revenge... english shows are wayy more entertaining. So yeah, i should have
been born a white guy with a 9 inch d!ck...
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QUOTE(celyn @ Jul 10 2008, 11:03 AM)

I hate to be called banana... i find it an excuse to segregrate people, even judge.... why are there terms like banana and coconut?? and what do you call chinese ed ppl then? orange or pineapple?? please stop calling eng ad ppl banana... my chinese friends would stare at me like an alien, and in comment: 'So, you are banana ka?'
... oh puh-lizzz.......... and i never judge your poor english....

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What is wrong with banana? I'm a banana too and i like when they call me banana. I find it sexy and chicks dig it. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(King83 @ Jul 10 2008, 11:24 AM)
Chinese Ed girls are only good to look at..... which means, if u want a GF, go for chinese ed.

If you want a soulmate, english ed is where you're more likely to find.
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haha! i liked your style... but isn't that a little bias? what's the difference between gf and soulmate anyway?? i think it's the same.. why else is the point to date?



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