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celyn
post Jul 10 2008, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(n000b @ Mar 31 2008, 06:15 PM)
I don't know about you guys, but I've read and been following the topic of Chinese ed vs English ed gfand have found it very interesting. Then there was another topic back awhile ago about whether language was a barrier between the mediums, etc etc but I can't remember the links (neither did I bookmark them)

To summarize...

Chinese ed stereotype:
-Quiet (and usually studious)
-Not much to say to guys outside the topic of studies or other mundane stuff and very short responses (ie, "how was your day?" -> "fine")
-Need to be straightforward and direct when speaking to them
-Shy

English ed stereotype:
-Talkative (as in easy to have a conversation with)
-Open minded and actions (although sometimes bordering what people call 'slutty')
-Tend to comprehend complex english - like sacarsm, poem hidden meanings, etc
-Okay with using curse words more frequently than their CE counterpart (girls)

Also, I notice that in a situation where a guy who likes a chinese-ed girl confesses to her, but she doesn't like him back, the girl will then tend to try to avoid and ignore that guy as much as possible. In the case of an english-ed girl, the guy and her would most likely just remain friends even if she doesn't share his feelings. Chinese-ed girls also would not be caught dead walking as a pair, side-by-side with another guy unless they are official already (bf-gf) while english-ed girls seem to be okay walking like that with their normal guy friends and classmates

It's even more difficult when you're trying to "cross-attract", like english-ed guy going for chinese-ed girl and vice versa. English-ed guy would probably be too talkative for the chinese-ed girl and the chinese ed guy would probably be too boring for the english-ed girl.

Before somebody starts flaming or shouting troll (hopefully not), remember I'm talking about stereotypes, hard-core. I'm not talking about those 'diluted' chinese ed or english ed who have mixed with the other type until the point where they have become 'less chinese ed' or 'less english ed'

So what does a guy got to do to attract a girl of the opposite education medium? Like how can an english-ed guy try to get a chinese-ed girl when she doesn't really talk that much and is not that responsive (see short response under chinese-ed stereotype above)?

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firstly, i'm english ed, but ever since i entered local university, i've spoken more Chinese than English on a daily basis....i can't agree with you... i have chinese ad friends who could talk NON-STOP.... and not at all shy!! i wonder where the stereotype comes from.. english ed people used complex english as chinese ed uses complex chinese language.. and i have chinese ed friends who cursed in a day more than i do in my entire lifetime! so ya, i think it's very individual.... but basically, for me,... bad english is a TOTAL turn off.... and it sucks when we dont share the same sense of humour.... and i love poety like a lot... then again, it's individual.... i am sure others would find my bad chinese terrible too... so ya... it's a fair game....


Added on July 10, 2008, 11:18 am
QUOTE(Noobimus @ Apr 1 2008, 12:24 AM)
TS.

It should be Oriental (usually Chinese) influence vs. Western (usually English) influence.

Anyone can take any education they want to. It is their choice of languange that makes all the differences. I can speak Chinese, but due to my extreme influence of the West (i.e. the common stereotype: banana [white in the inside, yellow on the outside]), my Chinese native flow of typical social conversation sucks (extremely WEAK CHINESE LANGUAGE PUNCHLINES) because my mind is thinking in English (due to the Western chosen way of life).

There are girls here who said they do not agree how they are stereotyped just because they have education from both English and Chinese. But which language is the one that dominates your preference and your true personality? You speak Chinese, but are you thinking in English in the inside? You speak English, but are you thinking in Chinese? These questions actually explains a lot. Are you really speaking your mind, or are you simply translating your words into another one, not realizing that translations can sound so cheesy? <----- (Most Chinese/Oriental people cannot find a proper Chinese/or commonly spoken Cantonese translation for this word, because trust me, it is not commonly used. They just nod heads and say emm, emm.)

And even if you're thinking and speaking in English, are you feeling that you want to be more of a Chinese? (Hence taking Chinese class because scared of people calling you banana) And if you're thinking and speaking in Chinese, are you sad that you're not good in the lingua franca?

Or maybe both stereotypes can be generalized simply as this:

Chinese/Oriental influence/way of life: Watches Chinese dramas like you know, like the ones in WLT from Astro.

English/Western influence/way of life: Watches English dramas like Heroes, House M.D, and many more.

If any of you can weigh the qualities and values from both I.Q and E.Q from thoese two types of movies, then you'll get the summary of what a Chinese influenced girl is like and what an English influenced girl is like.

Oh yeah and btw. I'll tell you one bigger truth.

Chinese/Oriental influenced people don't hug regularly = Not so open minded-like culture. (Majority, not all, so please f**k off)

English/Western influenced people = Need me say more? We Asians practised open minded-ness from the West. Hollywood mar. You don't understand English also you go and watch lar D I U.

Perhaps there's one more stereotype between the Chinese and the English influenced/educated.

Those who (Majority) are in Science Stream will know which language they belong to and so are the ones from Art Stream.

It's too obvious. I find more Chinese speaking/influenced ones in Arts Stream. And what does that tell you? Another common stereotype.

So unless a guy can manage to pull off the best of both worlds (which is few, because people always choose to have only one), he's on his own.

Phew. I like asking this question to the Chinese when they call me a banana: "If you are so Chinese, why do you have English names?"

So my conclusion:

Chinese educated/influenced = Not open minded. If if they are, it's not enough.

English educated/influenced = Usually open minded due to exposure and usually due to Hollywood and America (The UN speaks English too).

These conclusion apply to both guys and girls by the way. So if you're a guy going after either a Chinese or English educated/influenced girl, you better be prepared to kick off some of your habits that comes from your way of upbringing (English or Chinese upbringing brings a hell lot of difference). Subsitute Johnny Depp for Wang Li Hom and Destiny's Child for S.H.E. (or vice versa).
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I hate to be called banana... i find it an excuse to segregrate people, even judge.... why are there terms like banana and coconut?? and what do you call chinese ed ppl then? orange or pineapple?? please stop calling eng ad ppl banana... my chinese friends would stare at me like an alien, and in comment: 'So, you are banana ka?'
... oh puh-lizzz.......... and i never judge your poor english....

celyn

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post Jul 10 2008, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Jul 10 2008, 11:24 AM)
Chinese Ed girls are only good to look at..... which means, if u want a GF, go for chinese ed.

If you want a soulmate, english ed is where you're more likely to find.
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haha! i liked your style... but isn't that a little bias? what's the difference between gf and soulmate anyway?? i think it's the same.. why else is the point to date?


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post Jul 10 2008, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Jul 10 2008, 11:50 AM)
Gf = Girlfren
Soulmate = Wife

Your wife is who u choose to spend ur life with (disregard her looks).
Your gf is who u go out with (pretty & young most of the time)

So there u go LoL....
Don't take this seriously tho.... it's a bad guy's joke tongue.gif
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hmm... you mean like the girl you date would not be your wife?
pretty gal is your gf and any-look-gal is your wife?
you know what? you sounded to have great potential to have a caring wife and a pretty mistress, haha! no offence...

yeah,that was totally a guy's joke.....

i mean, i wouldn't agree to be in a relationship unless i see a future,..
not marriage la, that would be a little scary,.
what i mean is being together with someone you can share your life with...
not just bringing a decorative gal along...
but that's just me.. a gal's thoughts...
then again, there is a difference between social dating and being in a relationship....

p/s: i think that all girls can be pretty, if they make the effort, seriously..


Added on July 10, 2008, 12:40 pm
QUOTE(Graciemei @ Jul 10 2008, 12:00 PM)
I am just like you...termed "Banana" because I was English educated and can't read and write Chinese. However, I my spoken chinese can be better than my friends'. Hey, Chinese is Chinese...who in the world give them the right to call those who are English educated "banana"? Why are you mocking your own race when the West is already mocking you?
I for one am sick of people who are aping the west (English or Chinese educated). Be proud of your own culture, like it or hate it, that's you! People who are not appreciative of their culture does not have an identity. At the same time, those of you who are die hard chinese educated...Please open mine to absorb more ideas. Tailor what you absorbed and only assimilate the good points...That will make you a better person. I rest my case
Eng ed or Chinese ed...we come from the same root...it is certainly the mentallity is different. I can't help but agree, English educated girls will be more priviliged in the knowledge faculty if they choose to read more...there are more self-help books which can increase your knowledge.
Through experience, Chinese educated guys will not be able to tolerate girls who are more knowledgeable than them. They somehow prefer "Damsel in distress"! Well that's only from experience.
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i feel you mate,. totally...

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post Jul 10 2008, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Jul 10 2008, 12:44 PM)
English Ed girls' beauty and Chinese Ed girls' beauty is different...
You'll never find an english ed girl that looks like THIS !!!

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I unfortunately am more attracted to the taiwan look...
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looking all blonde?
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post Jul 10 2008, 04:50 PM

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you'll never know.. i think you can never tell until when they start talking.... like when i said blonde, it's a sarcastism ppl don't understand... so ya..
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post Jul 10 2008, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(smacky @ Jul 10 2008, 05:10 PM)
woo sounds interesting to me. brows.gif
i like the mixture of chinese ed and english ed guy. if found = perfect. tongue.gif
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how to mix? it's either one...

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post Jul 10 2008, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(smacky @ Jul 10 2008, 05:17 PM)
hmm i hope he's open minded, and at the same time holding some conservative thinking towards something too. smile.gif
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ooo.. u mean that... but the thing is, not all eng ed are open-minded and not all chinese ed are conservative... it's just a general asumption...
but how do u define open minded and conservative? i think it's all very individual
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post Jul 10 2008, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 10 2008, 05:35 PM)
If I may interject. Most comments are based on general observations. There will always be unique cases. It's just tiresome to have to begin every sentence with, "Generally speaking...". There is also often no smoke without fire. I think the term "general observation" would best suit this.
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what's the difference, general assumption and general observation....
i really dont see your point
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post Jul 10 2008, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Jul 10 2008, 06:19 PM)
If you're talking about marriage, i'm with you on this one.
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what about marriage in the so-called 'chinese ed'?
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post Jul 10 2008, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Jul 10 2008, 06:25 PM)
But i is non educated and are never educated sad.gif

I have the same dislike too wink.gif
Kiasu, blatantly disregard of other people's feeling, the way they cut corners, and the list goes on bleh
I had to face these kind of people everyday till it got to a point that i'm numb


Added on July 10, 2008, 6:25 pm

Calculators as marriage gifts wink.gif
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calculators???????? YOU SO MUST BE KIDDING!!!
it must be some hell of a calculator! wahaha!!
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post Jul 10 2008, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 10 2008, 06:26 PM)
hey celyn, you're not going to entertain us in the topic dedicated to you? laugh.gif
Liar tongue.gif
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what was the topic, btw? tongue.gif
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post Jul 10 2008, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 10 2008, 06:35 PM)
8 digit basic calculator, with a petronas logo embossed on it laugh.gif
nod.gif nod.gif nod.gif
See what I mean by rigid social hierarchy? tongue.gif
Once again, gender roles and social hierarchy laugh.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/739115
this one smile.gif
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post Jul 10 2008, 07:04 PM

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excuse me... i need to remain calm.... i'm laughing non-stop now...
do you guys at LYN usually do this?

i guess king83 just wanted to teach me the signiture thinggy... but end up got so many ppl post, haha!


 

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